Wasps downward spiral... (5 Viewers)

[Philosoraptor]

Different owner… different era …. Staying in London wasn’t an option for Richardson (and before anyone mentions about Brentford, Wasps couldn’t have lasted long enough to wait).

The attendance at Adams Park was 8.5K in 2009, dropping to 5.8K for the 2014 season. Over a 32% drop.

There was plenty of time.

Edit. Unless Wycombe was trying to wave goodbye to you.

 

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[Nick]

Different owner… different era …. Staying in London wasn’t an option for Richardson (and before anyone mentions about Brentford, Wasps couldn’t have lasted long enough to wait).

Been here before. What about the offer turned down?

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

The attendance at Adams Park was 8.5K in 2009, dropping to 5.8K for the 2014 season. Over a 32% drop.

There was plenty of time.

Edit. Unless Wycombe was trying to wave goodbye to you.

You’ve lost me …… plenty of time for what ? … Richardson wasn’t involved with Wasps 2009-2014

or if you are referring to waiting for Brentford that wasn’t even built

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

Been here before. What about the offer turned down?

Not sure what you are referring to Nick …. Offer of what ? Brentford wasn’t ready but perhaps being a tenant again wouldn’t have been any different to staying at AP.

 

[Philosoraptor]

You’ve lost me …… plenty of time for what ? … Richardson was involved with Wasps 2009-2014

or if you are referring to waiting for Brentford that wasn’t even built

With attendances at Adams Park falling like a stone, wasn't the break-even figure for attendance given as 4K?

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

With attendances at Adams Park falling like a stone, wasn't the break-even figure for attendance given at 4K?

I have no idea ….. given by who ?

 

[Philosoraptor]

I have no idea ….. given by who ?

I will need to trawl the internet. Usually a good port of call to read about fans of London Wasps complaining about their move to Coventry and how they couldn't attend any longer. You should try it sometime.

 

[CCFC54321]

Different owner… different era …. Staying in London wasn’t an option for Richardson (and before anyone mentions about Brentford, Wasps couldn’t have lasted long enough to wait).

You could move back to London to give yourself a fighting chance and have your rent covered with CCFC renting the cbs?

You haven’t a cat in hells chance in Coventry of it working so at least your rents covered with a rental deal in London with potential higher gates?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Different owner… different era …. Staying in London wasn’t an option for Richardson (and before anyone mentions about Brentford, Wasps couldn’t have lasted long enough to wait).

Couldn't have lasted long enough... at that level.

They could have always downsized to their level, like Richmond...

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Anyway, there are about eleventy billion sports grounds in London, sure one owner would have rented their pitch out!

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

Couldn't have lasted long enough... at that level.

They could have always downsized to their level, like Richmond...

Of course the could ….. but they didn’t …

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Of course the could ….. but they didn’t …

Indeed. Worked completely counterintuitively to sporting principles that.

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

You could move back to London to give yourself a fighting chance and have your rent covered with CCFC renting the cbs?

You haven’t a cat in hells chance in Coventry of it working so at least your rents covered with a rental deal in London with potential higher gates?

Not sure they would get higher gates in London …. Saracens a great example struggle to fill a relatively small stadium.

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

Indeed. Worked completely counterintuitively to sporting principles that.

OK …. Thats the past …. Do you always live your life in the past ?

 

[Grendel]

You could move back to London to give yourself a fighting chance and have your rent covered with CCFC renting the cbs?

You haven’t a cat in hells chance in Coventry of it working so at least your rents covered with a rental deal in London with potential higher gates?

Christ you really are an embarrassment- leave the thread - you give the impression Coventry is full of inbred 6 finger mutants

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

I will need to trawl the internet. Usually a good port of call to read about fans of London Wasps complaining about their move to Coventry and how they couldn't attend any longer. You should try it sometime.

What has fans moaning got to do with a break even number of 4k ?

You are right. Lots moaned. And lots applauded it. Many were just happy that Richardson had stepped in whether that happiness continues remains to be seen.

 

[Philosoraptor]

What has fans moaning got to do with a break even number of 4k ?

You are right. Lots moaned. And lots applauded it. Many were just happy that Richardson had stepped in whether that happiness continues remains to be seen.

Do you think this happiness is shared with the bondholders?

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

Do you think this happiness is shared with the bondholders?

Im sure many Bondholders are not happy …. Although from what I’ve read some happy to continue getting 6.5% …. at the end of the day it’s an investment which carries risks.

 

[CCFC54321]

Christ you really are an embarrassment- leave the thread - you give the impression Coventry is full of inbred 6 finger mutants

Seriously fuck off this site. Another post was put up about you recently that you should be ashamed of. I know I would have been.

You know what your problem is Grendel? I’ll tell you shall I? You take it a personal mission to offend anyone that doesn’t share your views. You lack a basic tact of being civil to anyone because it’s clear that your just one horrible piece of work who goes after anyone that puts you away or gives it you back.

I’m a prick but I’ll admit it. You can’t.

To get a room big enough in this city would a be challenge to substantiate the above due to amount of people wanted to attend. So do fuck off will you?

won’t be responding so do your best. X

 

[Grendel]

Do you think this happiness is shared with the bondholders?

Of course they aren’t but I’m afraid your knowledge in this is about on the level of @CCFC54321

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Fair play to you Dubai Dodger for coming on here and trying to put over your point of view, but you can see by the reaction on here on FB and on CCFC matchdays and in local pubs that Wasps are not well thought of and not wanted.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Of course they aren’t but I’m afraid your knowledge in this is about on the level of @CCFC54321

Oh, I agree with that.

Did anyone read about the idea of an EGM with the trustees to find out more information about what's going on, on a particular bond site?

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

Fair play to you Dubai Dodger for coming on here and trying to put over your point of view, but you can see by the reaction on here on FB and on CCFC matchdays and in local pubs that Wasps are not well thought of and not wanted.

I’m not expecting anyone to share my views or win anyone over to love Wasps …. but I do actually share and respect many of the views posted civilly on here. I fully get that many of the views here are one eyed that’s natural but sometimes and on some aspects of this mess there is an alternative way of looking at things. Whether we agree or not it’s still possible to have a decent civil chat about it ! I’ve been perfectly respectful (I think)

 

[Grendel]

Seriously fuck off this site. Another post was put up about you recently that you should be ashamed of. I know I would have been.

You know what your problem is Grendel? I’ll tell you shall I? You take it a personal mission to offend anyone that doesn’t share your views. You lack a basic tact of being civil to anyone because it’s clear that your just one horrible piece of work who goes after anyone that puts you away or gives it you back.

I’m a prick but I’ll admit it. You can’t.

To get a room big enough in this city would a be challenge to substantiate the above due to amount of people wanted to attend. So do fuck off will you?

won’t be responding so do your best. X

Unlike you I am more than happy to get slime chucked at me

You offer nothing on the thread as you have zero understanding of finances and how the business operates. Everything you say is tub thumping tripe with zero factual accuracy

Leave the thread to the adults and let your mummy change your nappy now.

You even liked one of dubai dodgers first posts on here!

 

[Philosoraptor]

I’m not expecting anyone to share my views or win anyone over to love Wasps …. but I do actually share and respect many of the views posted civilly on here. I fully get that many of the views here are one eyed that’s natural but sometimes and on some aspects of this mess there is an alternative way of looking at things. Whether we agree or not it’s still possible to have a decent civil chat about it ! I’ve been perfectly respectful (I think)

You have to remember, or be aware, that we have had PR people literally on here high-fiving and only making themselves known after the deal for the Arena went through.

Which, in itself, could have been the biggest PR disaster Coventry has ever seen. In other words, people do remember.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

OK …. Thats the past …. Do you always live your life in the past ?

Well...

The past is a fine informer of the present, ignore it at your peril.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Whatever happened to MMM?

 

[Grendel]

Seriously fuck off this site. Another post was put up about you recently that you should be ashamed of. I know I would have been.

You know what your problem is Grendel? I’ll tell you shall I? You take it a personal mission to offend anyone that doesn’t share your views. You lack a basic tact of being civil to anyone because it’s clear that your just one horrible piece of work who goes after anyone that puts you away or gives it you back.

I’m a prick but I’ll admit it. You can’t.

To get a room big enough in this city would a be challenge to substantiate the above due to amount of people wanted to attend. So do fuck off will you?

won’t be responding so do your best. X

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m not expecting anyone to share my views or win anyone over to love Wasps …. but I do actually share and respect many of the views posted civilly on here. I fully get that many of the views here are one eyed that’s natural but sometimes and on some aspects of this mess there is an alternative way of looking at things. Whether we agree or not it’s still possible to have a decent civil chat about it ! I’ve been perfectly respectful (I think)

In my guise as Fumigator there were for the most part people willing to engage and even taking the tongue in cheek username well. Only fair to return the favour.

What needs remembering here is CCFC has worked with a handicap for decades now and the stadium is a large factor in that. So with years of getting the local press and council ‘up Wasps’ rectum’ as G puts it while denigrating the football club, any potential goodwill was lost there and then.

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

In my guise as Fumigator there were for the most part people willing to engage and even taking the tongue in cheek username well. Only fair to return the favour.

What needs remembering here is CCFC has worked with a handicap for decades now and the stadium is a large factor in that. So with years of getting the local press and council ‘up Wasps’ rectum’ as G puts it while denigrating the football club, any potential goodwill was lost there and then.

I get the history of CCFC and many problems (I don’t know everything) and fully understand it runs deeper than Wasps arriving …. So I fully appreciate the negative attitude towards me posting…. That said I’ve got thick skin.

 

[Grendel]

I get the history of CCFC and many problems (I don’t know everything) and fully understand it runs deeper than Wasps arriving …. So I fully appreciate the negative attitude towards me posting…. That said I’ve got thick skin.

I don’t care about wasps supporters posting on here if it’s wasps related stuff - the stadium is a white elephant which a sports club can’t fund in reality - the loan is always the albatross round the neck.

Wasps will carry on and the football club should I think try and secure a sub lease of the same duration and then it’s secure. I think rugby itself will implode in the next decade or so in general and I suspect the head lease will be transferred well before then

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

I don’t care about wasps supporters posting on here if it’s wasps related stuff - the stadium is a white elephant which a sports club can’t fund in reality - the loan is always the albatross round the neck.

Wasps will carry on and the football club should I think try and secure a sub lease of the same duration and then it’s secure. I think rugby itself will implode in the next decade or so in general and I suspect the head lease will be transferred well before then

when you say rugby will implode ….. you mean Wasps rugby or Rugby as a sport ?

 

[Grendel]

when you say rugby will implode ….. you mean Wasps rugby or Rugby as a sport ?

I think the sport itself is a disaster financially

I don’t fully understand the share purchase scheme but the whole thing looks to be on pretty rocky ground

Salary caps are tightening and clubs are in big financial trouble. None of it makes sense - European games are poorly supported and wasps may play in South Africa in the sub tier - it’s all vanity and ready to fall apart

 

[Dubai-Dodger]

I think the sport itself is a disaster financially

I don’t fully understand the share purchase scheme but the whole thing looks to be on pretty rocky ground

Salary caps are tightening and clubs are in big financial trouble. None of it makes sense - European games are poorly supported and wasps may play in South Africa in the sub tier - it’s all vanity and ready to fall apart

Agree there are clubs on rocky ground financially but really don’t think the game will disappear. It’s not the first time Wasps have been in the 2nd tier of Europe, it wil probably do some good for a season. It’s not the disaster that you guys talk it as.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Agree there are clubs on rocky ground financially but really don’t think the game will disappear. It’s not the first time Wasps have been in the 2nd tier of Europe, it wil probably do some good for a season. It’s not the disaster that you guys talk it as.

It's not got the appeal and money that football has though which I think they thought was going to happen when they moved to Coventry, it seems to be getting less popular