Based on what? Based on the countless times I've said I would be opposed to it? :thinking about:
I would only approve if it benefitted all parties. Have made that crystal clear, you WUM!:slap:
To many fanatic Sky Blue fans here thinking with there hearts and not there head.
Just to be clear about the Wasps that are (perhaps) proposing to relocate to the Ricoh - this is Wasps RFC and that club has been in existence for less than 20 years. They have never had a settled home where they could build up a loyal and local fan base. They have this year dropped the London prefix.
The original club, Wasps FC, is still playing amateur rugby.
It is nothing to do with council love it is to do with looking at things objectively, looking at the real problems our club faces. Otis is right SISU have squandered 11 good years of opportunity to buy into the Ricoh by dicking everyone around.
They are still adamant the return to the Ricoh is fairly short term, they are building their own stadium. This problem has always been driven largely by SISU.
Ahh, I see where this has come from now. Lol.
That post 'no-one else to blame' is just me copying and pasting the CT's article. None of it is my own work! :laugh:
Even if it means CCFC staying at the Ricoh to our benefit and Cov rugby are totally onboard with it?
Seriously?
Trouble is, no-one has said what Torch has put.
And as has been said numerous times on this thread, it is Sisu who are saying they are not staying at the Ricoh and are moving elsewhere. That totally moves the goalposts on this issue.
No-one has said it's okay for Wasps to come here, all they have said is they can understand why ACL would be looking for a replacement for CCFC if they insist on leaving.
Can't see anyone being a council lover on this one I'm afraid. A lot of spin doctoring going on here me thinks.
Be careful. The Telegraph will be signing you up to their "rehash old bollocks" journalism.
What if the deal with Wasps is worth less than the previous offer from SISU?
The common thread is that we're in the hands of two companies whose interest is their own profit not the team and fans. So whether it's moving to ntfc or bringing in a new anchor tenant, it's about company profits not what is best for the team and fans. The only people who are going to fight this is fans - we've learnt the hard way to expect nothing from the football authorities and govt. In the short-term we should be saying to acl-sisu to stop this nonsense about building a new stadium/getting a new tenant, show respect for SP, the team and fans, and start the slow process of building a successful future for ccfc which will benefit acl and sisu. The first way of doing that would be for acl-sisu to make a joint public statement saying they will work together and that they will not pursue a new stadium/new tenant
explain why acl has " to show respect for sp, the team and fans, and start the slow process of building a successful future for ccfc which will benefit acl and sisu." . Other than a day rent supplier/ client relationship contract with ccfc what responsibility do acl, legal, moral or otherwise have towards sp, team, fans or establishing a successful ccfc. You are right they are in it for acl not some altruistic moral stance on behalf of the fans ...... As a business should they be otherwise?
The effect of the dispute hasn't just been felt by the fans. There has been a tangible effect on the business operations of acl. It has sharpened it up it has focussed the business on money, targets, risk and not being beholden to any one client or tenant.
I think the fans are learning the consequences of what went on ....... Some of it they really are not going to like, and have no control or influence over. Like it or not ccfc has been downgraded presently at the ricoh to "just another client" ...... That is a sad consequence of a once bright but now broken future.
Torch, are you ok? The way I read this thread is there is 100% opposition to the wasps idea and it's a real opportunity for some fan unity and to move on
Explain why ACL has " to show respect for SP, the team and fans, and start the slow process of building a successful future for ccfc which will benefit acl and sisu." . Other than a day rent supplier/ client relationship contract with CCFC what responsibility do ACL, legal, moral or otherwise have towards SP, team, fans or establishing a successful CCFC. Is that not the over riding responsibility of the owners of the club who are supposed to be its custodians. You are right ACL are in it for ACL not some altruistic moral stance on behalf of the fans ...... as a business should they be otherwise?
The effect of the dispute hasn't just been felt by the fans. There has been a tangible effect on the business operations of ACL. It has sharpened it up it has focussed the business on money, targets, risk and not being beholden to any one client or tenant.
I think the fans are learning the consequences of what went on ....... some of it they really are not going to like, and have no control or influence over. Like it or not CCFC has been downgraded presently at the Ricoh to "just another client" ...... that is a sad consequence of a once bright but now broken future.
Absolutely, I'm on the wrong forum, if not. I don't give a fuck about ACL and whether these plans make "good business sense".
I had a feeling you would respond to that.
unlike yourself, I have to admit I am not that much of a fanatic Sky blue fan but to be honest am just a simple Sky Blue fan who has followed City for 30 years can see where the cause of this problem started and what the outcome from that problem has resulted in and there is only one party to blame.
As soon as SISU took us out of Coventry, the mess spiralled out of control and now the owners have realised that they may have cut of there nose to spite there face.
I see it for what it is, oen big cock up by our beloved owners and no one else.
I hope to God that ACL sell up to Wasps - it will serve SISU right and probably see them off for good. CCFC under new owners can always buy a share back of Wasps in the future. Priority is getting rid of SISU so it this helps, it has to be a good thing.
if were talking good business then sisu got ccfc out of a terrible extortionate rent deal and here we are back at ricoh on minimal rent.
not bad....not bad at all.
I had a feeling you would respond to that.
unlike yourself, I have to admit I am not that much of a fanatic Sky blue fan but to be honest am just a simple Sky Blue fan who has followed City for 30 years can see where the cause of this problem started and what the outcome from that problem has resulted in and there is only one party to blame.
As soon as SISU took us out of Coventry, the mess spiralled out of control and now the owners have realised that they may have cut of there nose to spite there face.
I see it for what it is, one MASSIVE cock up by our beloved owners but no one else.
Explain why ACL has " to show respect for SP, the team and fans, and start the slow process of building a successful future for ccfc which will benefit acl and sisu." . Other than a day rent supplier/ client relationship contract with CCFC what responsibility do ACL, legal, moral or otherwise have towards SP, team, fans or establishing a successful CCFC. Is that not the over riding responsibility of the owners of the club who are supposed to be its custodians. You are right ACL are in it for ACL not some altruistic moral stance on behalf of the fans ...... as a business should they be otherwise?
The effect of the dispute hasn't just been felt by the fans. There has been a tangible effect on the business operations of ACL. It has sharpened it up it has focussed the business on money, targets, risk and not being beholden to any one client or tenant. Made what was perceived by some to be an extension of CCC act like a proper business...... something some have harangued it for not being.
I think the fans are learning the consequences of what went on ....... some of it they really are not going to like, and have no control or influence over. Like it or not CCFC has been downgraded presently at the Ricoh to "just another client" ...... that is a sad consequence of a once bright but now broken future.
I would say that ACL and the council owe it to the city of coventry and its people as taxpayers that have part funded the future of the companies residing there ,to have a say on wether we want another cities club be it football or rugby playing in and owning a stadium in the city of coventry
Sorry, Torch but you are contradicting yourself. If people were not happy with the idea we would be totally opposed to it. You can't say people are only happy if everyone agrees, but then say people aren't going to agree. No agreement = opposition to the plan.It's not the opposition, it's the blatant hypocrisy of some on here, despite denials from Otis. Fans were rightly up in arms with CCFC moving to Northampton. Yet, with the proposition of a London based team moving up to Coventry and swallowing up Cov Rugby Club we get the "well poor little ACL need to do something after all it's all CCFCs fault". Yes, it is CCFCs fault, but this really could scupper any chance of the team I support owning the Ricoh.
It's alright saying "well if people don't mind it would be OK", but of course people will mind. I would imagine Cov Rugby fans would mind and I would imagine fans of Wasps probably don't want to travel all the way to the Midlands to see their team. Christ, we were posting begging letters on forums asking for people to sign our petition yet some on here throw the "it's only business" line around which apparently makes it OK. It's not.
Whether it's the fault of JS, TF, AL, ACL, CCFC, SISU or bloody ABC I couldn't care. They need to sort it. Allowing franchise rugby in Coventry would be a mistake.
It's not the opposition, it's the blatant hypocrisy of some on here, despite denials from Otis. Fans were rightly up in arms with CCFC moving to Northampton. Yet, with the proposition of a London based team moving up to Coventry and swallowing up Cov Rugby Club we get the "well poor little ACL need to do something after all it's all CCFCs fault". Yes, it is CCFCs fault, but this really could scupper any chance of the team I support owning the Ricoh.
It's alright saying "well if people don't mind it would be OK", but of course people will mind. I would imagine Cov Rugby fans would mind and I would imagine fans of Wasps probably don't want to travel all the way to the Midlands to see their team. Christ, we were posting begging letters on forums asking for people to sign our petition yet some on here throw the "it's only business" line around which apparently makes it OK. It's not.
Whether it's the fault of JS, TF, AL, ACL, CCFC, SISU or bloody ABC I couldn't care. They need to sort it. Allowing franchise rugby in Coventry would be a mistake.
hopefully this opens up sisu negotiations as council willing to sell, if sisu willing to buy they have to be the top priority.
not some stupid sports team from another city.
hopefully this opens up sisu negotiations as council willing to sell, if sisu willing to buy they have to be the top priority.
not some stupid sports team from another city.
Unfortunately it will only be top priority now if SISU better Wasps offer now. The ball on the deal has now started rolling and it's down to other bidder to make a better offer.
If only SISU had did this when they brought the club.
You're delusional if you think it would make SISU leave.
You're delusional if you think it would make SISU leave. It would make their stay even longer.
Clearly you put your hatred for SISU above your love for CCFC.
is it actually confirmed that its an official offer?
Don't think it's been made official.. but if the story behind it is genuine then that's the only option SISU have otherwise it's closed curtains for us as a club. I can't see them investing in building a new stadium. It would bee too much of a loss for them to bare.
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