Sky Blue Dal
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No SISU did a good job of that by spending there energy in Court hearings instead of a round table.
Unbelievable after all that's happened you still can't see this.
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so the council may finally kill us.
wow
Our club has returned. But it is only a short term deal. Why is this? Must be because Fisher is going to get a new stadium built :facepalm:
So how do you suggest it will be sorted out when the person who is said to be in charge of our club says he don't want to stay but still wants a new stadium. But I suppose it is good enough reason to divide us supporters and put everyone else to blame for their plans.
And also if they were serious about negotiating the future of our club and the Ricoh why do they carry on with the litigation?
so the council may finally kill us.
wow
No SISU did a good job of that by spending there energy in Courts hearings instaed of a round table.
You are a great bloke OSB and your knowledge of ccfc's finances is unparalleled but what is critical here is whose interests you put first - sisu, acl, ccc, FL or fans
I put my interests and those of my family, all of which have long running links with the Club, first. What I want is to see the team I support, CCFC, playing at the Ricoh long term. Don't particularly care how it is done because I will have no involvement in it but I will seek to understand from all sides that how, when and if should it be agreed. As it stands CCFC can play at the Ricoh and can if the owners so wish negotiate a long term contract to do that and have access to incomes, they choose not to. Can I really affect any of that no, because SISU/ACL/CCFC/CCC will do the deal that suits them. That's a deal that in reality will have next to no input from fans.
If that means that CCFC end up with a long low rent deal at the Ricoh but do not own the stadium or ACL well guess what I will still go buy my ticket, still go watch them win lose or draw. If that means they share a ground with someone else I will still go. Not because I support SISU, CCC, ACL, FL or even the fans but because even if they were playing on a parks pitch in Coventry then CCFC would still be my team. Like it or not CCFC severed its links to the Ricoh, it has done a two year deal to return but says it will build its own stadium. It is all well and good climbing on your horse tilting at windmills but I think people have to deal with realities that have been staring them in the face for months.
Should I meet any of the characters from SISU/CCC/ACL I would seek to persuade them that the Wasp idea is not a good one but the reality is those people will not have taken a knee jerk emotional decision on this. Do people really think that this has only just happened? I would be very surprised if it has. The business cases will have been put together, analysed and flexed over weeks. But as yet it hasn't actually happened so may not. Fact is the club in word and action have told ACL they are not staying at the Ricoh. It takes time to find replacements or alternatives, something some said could not be done, businesses require income they can not and do not sit around waiting on the off chance it might turn up or the off chance a current client might change their mind
Hold your demonstrations, contact the councillors if you choose to. The success of CCFC has never actually required the ownership of the freehold or ACL but will leave you to figure out why that might be. That means I am not going to get hung up on who owns ACL. Who owns CCFC now that's something different.
I do not want a franchise team rocking up here and taking control but where has it been said that my team will not be playing at the Ricoh because they do come here. What I sought to do is to explain what why and how. Interesting what I get in return is to be questioned on my loyalty to the team I have followed and supported from a young boy.
To be honest it seems the only way forward is to have our own stadium. It seems the days at the Ricoh are numbered, whether by Fisher saying that or the actions of ACL.
And similarly with ACL. If they want to "rebuild" trust then why hawk the stadium to a franchise team? After all, they condemned SISUs actions of moving the club out of the City along with everyone else while trying to sue Northampton Town in the process. Seems like it's OK as long as it's them getting the money.
To be honest it seems the only way forward is to have our own stadium. It seems the days at the Ricoh are numbered, whether by Fisher saying that or the actions of ACL.
And similarly with ACL. If they want to "rebuild" trust then why hawk the stadium to a franchise team? After all, they condemned SISUs actions of moving the club out of the City along with everyone else while trying to sue Northampton Town in the process. Seems like it's OK as long as it's them getting the money.
That'd be alrightWhat if the deal with wasps was the only way ACL/CCC could come up with a deal that SISU would agree?
Absolutely; the Wasps deal - for high profile games - is an additional income to the 365-days-a-year revenues Fisher keeps on bleating on about. If a controlling investment makes sense to Wasps, why can't it make sense to 'cash rich' SISU too? The best scenario, again purely from a business perspective with a personal skew, is for SISU (or the club's owners) to own a controlling share in the venue, and use incomes from events such as this to help their business case, and count towards turnover; which in turn benefits the football club's obligations toward FFP?!?
Then, I can go and watch Toulon play in Coventry with a clear conscience, knowing I'd actually be benefitting the football club too. What a halcyon dream.....
So to be clear, you want the best deal for ACL?*
*This is a joke, OSB will take it as a joke so should everybody else.
Ps. I agree, without knowing the terms if this deal went through the club could be better off than they are today.
But don't you fear that building a new stadium is going to financially cripple us for many, many years to come? Just think any monies we have will be concentrated on the new stadium and the outlay of costs for planning and architecture etc. I know they have said funded by investors, but then they say an awful lots of things don't they.
Worries me greatly that us as fans will suffer the folly of a new stadium and it would be 10 years or more before we would see any return or benefit.
It's OK, SISU have a cunning plan. What could possibly go wrong
I put my interests and those of my family, all of which have long running links with the Club, first. What I want is to see the team I support, CCFC, playing at the Ricoh long term. Don't particularly care how it is done because I will have no involvement in it but I will seek to understand from all sides that how, when and if should it be agreed. As it stands CCFC can play at the Ricoh and can if the owners so wish negotiate a long term contract to do that and have access to incomes, they choose not to. Can I really affect any of that no, because SISU/ACL/CCFC/CCC will do the deal that suits them. That's a deal that in reality will have next to no input from fans.
If that means that CCFC end up with a long low rent deal at the Ricoh but do not own the stadium or ACL well guess what I will still go buy my ticket, still go watch them win lose or draw. If that means they share a ground with someone else I will still go. Not because I support SISU, CCC, ACL, FL or even the fans but because even if they were playing on a parks pitch in Coventry then CCFC would still be my team. Like it or not CCFC severed its links to the Ricoh, it has done a two year deal to return but says it will build its own stadium. It is all well and good climbing on your horse tilting at windmills but I think people have to deal with realities that have been staring them in the face for months.
Should I meet any of the characters from SISU/CCC/ACL I would seek to persuade them that the Wasp idea is not a good one but the reality is those people will not have taken a knee jerk emotional decision on this. Do people really think that this has only just happened? I would be very surprised if it has. The business cases will have been put together, analysed and flexed over weeks. But as yet it hasn't actually happened so may not. Fact is the club in word and action have told ACL they are not staying at the Ricoh. It takes time to find replacements or alternatives, something some said could not be done, businesses require income they can not and do not sit around waiting on the off chance it might turn up or the off chance a current client might change their mind
Hold your demonstrations, contact the councillors if you choose to. The success of CCFC has never actually required the ownership of the freehold or ACL but will leave you to figure out why that might be. That means I am not going to get hung up on who owns ACL. Who owns CCFC now that's something different.
I do not want a franchise team rocking up here and taking control but where has it been said that my team will not be playing at the Ricoh because they do come here. What I sought to do is to explain what why and how. Interesting what I get in return is to be questioned on my loyalty to the team I have followed and supported from a young boy.
I very definitely did not in any way mean to 'question your loyalty' but if there is anything I have said that suggests that then I unreservedly apologise because my posts have not meant anything like that whatsoever. I suspect where we disagree is on the extent and limits of fan influence. As I've already posted on this thread, plenty of people said fans could not affect the decision to move to ntfc but we proved we could. You ask: "Can I really affect any of that no, because SISU/ACL/CCFC/CCC will do the deal that suits them. That's a deal that in reality will have next to no input from fans." That's where I disagree. If the Trust made clear at this stage that fans are united in opposing the wasps plan and want acl-sisu to work together in the best interests of ccfc, and will fight against the wasps deal if it progresses just as the ntfc move was fought against, there would be every chance of success
I very definitely did not in any way mean to 'question your loyalty' but if there is anything I have said that suggests that then I unreservedly apologise because my posts have not meant anything like that whatsoever. I suspect where we disagree is on the extent and limits of fan influence. As I've already posted on this thread, plenty of people said fans could not affect the decision to move to ntfc but we proved we could. You ask: "Can I really affect any of that no, because SISU/ACL/CCFC/CCC will do the deal that suits them. That's a deal that in reality will have next to no input from fans." That's where I disagree. If the Trust made clear at this stage that fans are united in opposing the wasps plan and want acl-sisu to work together in the best interests of ccfc, and will fight against the wasps deal if it progresses just as the ntfc move was fought against, there would be every chance of success
One question Michael. If the Trust didn't take the lead on this would you be leading the charge again like you did with KCIC or has some of the shit you had to take from a few individuals for doing that put you off?
Seems you're the right man for the job to me. You have the experiance from one (won't change a thing) succesful campaign that could give a KCITRAWO protest group a head start. Although clearly it would be best if the trust took the lead.
It's fine saying that, Michael, but first shouldn't we see what the Wasps plan is?
What if the deal with Wasps is worth less than the previous offer from SISU?
I agree, we don't know too much do we?
For all we know it could be like when we bought Robert Jarni
One question Michael. If the Trust didn't take the lead on this would you be leading the charge again like you did with KCIC or has some of the shit you had to take from a few individuals for doing that put you off?
Seems you're the right man for the job to me. You have the experiance from one (won't change a thing, according to some) succesful campaign that could give a KCITRAWO protest group a head start. Although clearly it would be best if the trust took the lead.
I agree, we don't know too much do we?
For all we know it could be like when we bought Robert Jarni
It's fine saying that, Michael, but first shouldn't we see what the Wasps plan is?
The more I think about it, the more I believe that CCFC will have to be included in any deal. The council would get so much flak over this if it was allowed to go ahead and CCFC were just cast to the winds.
I am now thinking it would either be a joint venture or that it is a ploy to force Sisu's hand about a real deal for the Arena.
Spot on Otis.
There is no way negotiations between Wasps/ACL/CCC would proceed without CCC taking due consideration of CCFC's position.
That would logically mean that SISU would have to be involved at least to some extent. The question then would be how SISU would react/respond.
hopefully this opens up sisu negotiations as council willing to sell, if sisu willing to buy they have to be the top priority.
not some stupid sports team from another city.
Wasps are a very successful sports team and are certainly not stupid. CCFC on recent history cannot be classed as successful in any way.
Sisu according to Fisher are not interested in buying the Ricoh. We do not know if Wasps have made an offer and we do not know if sisu would out
bid them.
More the pity because CCFC not Otium or sisu should own the Ricoh and it's revenues.
Said like the true Wasps fan you are. Vested interest I would say. What does your mate James Haskell think about the move up here?
It could be, but I think you might be giving SISU a bit more credit than they deserve. They might have access to some deep pockets, and a QC on speed-dial, but as an organisation they're tiny. I'd be surprised if they'd managed to get themselves conveniently involved with Wasps just to put one over ACL.
Regardless, imho, any plan that means moving a club further away from it's supporters is wrong. Even if it somehow benefits CCFC (it won't), it's still wrong.
Fwiw, my opinion is that it's probably a piece of convenient bullshit that benefits both Wasps and ACL because it helps them out with the deals they really want. For Wasps, I'd imagine that's something closer to London, for ACL it's to push SISU back towards the table.
Once again, we're the mugs in the middle who have to worry about it all.
To be honest it seems the only way forward is to have our own stadium. It seems the days at the Ricoh are numbered, whether by Fisher saying that or the actions of ACL.
And similarly with ACL. If they want to "rebuild" trust then why hawk the stadium to a franchise team? After all, they condemned SISUs actions of moving the club out of the City along with everyone else while trying to sue Northampton Town in the process. Seems like it's OK as long as it's them getting the money. I wonder if WWFC will try and sue ACL?
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