italiahorse
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There's more to life than turning over the same stones.
Most of us have moved on and just getting on with watching the football. A lot have just moved on !!
The thread is worth reading again to show how idiotic our fans are and don't even question the clear mis truths that came from the council at the time.
Perhaps we can a read subsequent articles like the one that said its a £30 million deal when it turned out to be a third of that - oh and for 6 times the least length.
As the telegraph took an anti move to Northampton stance I assume there were lots of editorials at the time showing protests over the issue
I for one don't believe the council ever had any intention of selling the Ricoh to anybody before the rent strike happened, they were backed into a wall by SISU's tactics and then took the stance we will sell to anyone but SISU.
There's more to life than turning over the same stones.
Most of us have moved on and just getting on with watching the football. A lot have just moved on !!
I would bet my house on that being true.
I spent some time a couple of weeks ago going back over old posts and comments from ACL, CCC and Higgs, wish I'd taken a note now as they'd be good to post in this thread. Knowing what we now know you can easily reinterpret a lot of the comments that were being thrown around at the time. It was clear many of them were very carefully written to suggest a different version of the truth.
Things like stating the rent at the Ricoh was based on the rent when we left HR, conveniently leaving out the fact that at that point we were paying huge penalty for being late moving out and losing millions every year. There was things like there had never been any formal discussions about reducing the rent which would, again with hindsight, could be seen to imply a request for a reduction in rent was rejected as soon as it was mentioned so need need for formal discussions.
We've had some absolute charlatans running our club but pretty much every single one of them has come out since leaving and had a go at the council. As did Robbins when he left. A couple of interested parties who could have bid against SISU both lost interest after meeting with the council saying they wouldn't be able to work with them, interestingly both of their plans involved stadium ownership, SISU's didn't and was the preferred option of CCC. Hell even PK4 was in the CT one day being spotted going for a meeting with the council, accompanied by Joe and Hoff, only to never be heard from again. As I said each individual thing you can look at you would have your doubts about the people involved but when everyone involved over many years are all singing from the same hymn sheet you start to wonder.
Sometimes I wonder if, while SISU have made many terrible decisions, has their biggest problem been they've lost a PR war? A lot of people, some of whom I would count as relatively sensible and intelligent, have made with Sepalla or Fisher and come out with a massively changed point of view. Are they all wrong, have they all had the wool pulled over their eyes?
Perhaps that's why they were always banging on about Webber Shadwick. Of course we'll probably never know what happened, the fanbase seems to have no appetite for it let alone the local population in general.
I would bet my house on that being true.
Who are you referring to here:
"Sometimes I wonder if, while SISU have made many terrible decisions, has their biggest problem been they've lost a PR war? A lot of people, some of whom I would count as relatively sensible and intelligent, have made with Sepalla or Fisher and come out with a massively changed point of view. Are they all wrong, have they all had the wool pulled over their eyes"
if you are referring to Nicky "fingers in the till" or Les "ego" Reid, then I would bet my house on it that they were wrong.
I would bet my house on that being true.
I spent some time a couple of weeks ago going back over old posts and comments from ACL, CCC and Higgs, wish I'd taken a note now as they'd be good to post in this thread. Knowing what we now know you can easily reinterpret a lot of the comments that were being thrown around at the time. It was clear many of them were very carefully written to suggest a different version of the truth.
Things like stating the rent at the Ricoh was based on the rent when we left HR, conveniently leaving out the fact that at that point we were paying huge penalty for being late moving out and losing millions every year. There was things like there had never been any formal discussions about reducing the rent which would, again with hindsight, could be seen to imply a request for a reduction in rent was rejected as soon as it was mentioned so need need for formal discussions.
We've had some absolute charlatans running our club but pretty much every single one of them has come out since leaving and had a go at the council. As did Robbins when he left. A couple of interested parties who could have bid against SISU both lost interest after meeting with the council saying they wouldn't be able to work with them, interestingly both of their plans involved stadium ownership, SISU's didn't and was the preferred option of CCC. Hell even PK4 was in the CT one day being spotted going for a meeting with the council, accompanied by Joe and Hoff, only to never be heard from again. As I said each individual thing you can look at you would have your doubts about the people involved but when everyone involved over many years are all singing from the same hymn sheet you start to wonder.
Sometimes I wonder if, while SISU have made many terrible decisions, has their biggest problem been they've lost a PR war? A lot of people, some of whom I would count as relatively sensible and intelligent, have made with Sepalla or Fisher and come out with a massively changed point of view. Are they all wrong, have they all had the wool pulled over their eyes?
Perhaps that's why they were always banging on about Webber Shadwick. Of course we'll probably never know what happened, the fanbase seems to have no appetite for it let alone the local population in general.
Completely agree. If fisher had not said it, guess what - the wasps deal would have still gone through. It's foolish to suggest otherwise.
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it is a possibility that there may have been a halt in negotiations, but more to the point, there would have been a justifiable reason to question as to why the Wasps deal still went ahead. Saying, in effect, we are not interested, at a crucial point, ended any chance of a last minute reprieve. Yes I know Fisher bullshits, but he sometimes doesn't. It is hardly anyone's fault for not knowing if this was bullshit or not. I don't know even now. He only made the last bid with some bullshit letter about community this and that to save face - IMO. I don't think anyone took it all seriously as it didn't look like a well worked out and convincing business plan. I would say it was foolish for Fisher to have made such a negative comment just after the return and just after the slamming of doors comment from CCC. It was pure arrogance on his part and undoubtedly he was outsmarted by Richardson and his PR was and is crap.
Sorry mart. I think you're clutching at straws. Negotiations had been going some while, wasps would have had an exclusivity agreement. There would be no justifiable reason to halt negotiations with such an agreement in place, would have probably had penalties for pulling out ala the HoTs we had with them which saw higgs take us to court. The deal was done way before TF said that.
It's just easier to blame Fisher than to accept it was already a done deal despite the "building bridges" rhetoric.
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You moved on within 24 hours of the deal.
You've moved on so much that you feel the need to comment on every wasps related thread. Why don't you just move on?!
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Trying to get everybody to be more positive. There are about 5 posters just dragging every post down.
You can't change anything so just worry about things you can influence like actually attending football matches!!
SISU bought the club with the rent deal in place - their decision do you think WASPS / any properly run business would have bought under those rental terms
No strategy to move the club forward
Got outsmarted by both the council and WASPS
SISU are now an irrelevance with no plans or strategy just spout meaningless drivel that most Cov fans see through except RFC Grende & Co
SISU bought the club with the rent deal in place - their decision do you think WASPS / any properly run business would have bought under those rental terms
No strategy to move the club forward
Got outsmarted by both the council and WASPS
SISU are now an irrelevance with no plans or strategy just spout meaningless drivel that most Cov fans see through except RFC Grende & Co
I am saying that if he had said that he wanted to build bridges and sit at the negotiating table, CCC would indeed be seen in a bad light. There would have been outrage from the people ( including me ) who think that SISU screwed up. A refusal to meet Tim would have got me on the anti CCC side. But Tim screwed up yet again by saying he didn't want the Ricoh and was building a stadium. Where is the announcement that was promised for the new year? Sorry, whilst I think that CCC are probably not clean in this affair, Tim did screw this up - again.
if you are referring to Nicky "fingers in the till" or Les "ego" Reid, then I would bet my house on it that they were wrong.
You're getting upset because the truth hurts you backed the horse that was SISU and they have screwed up big time, they backed CCC into a corner and the responded with the WASPS deal, whilst they were trying to distress everyone which I rightly objected to, the charity lost out SISU lost out but most of all Cov fans have lost out.
it is a possibility that there may have been a halt in negotiations, but more to the point, there would have been a justifiable reason to question as to why the Wasps deal still went ahead. Saying, in effect, we are not interested, at a crucial point, ended any chance of a last minute reprieve. Yes I know Fisher bullshits, but he sometimes doesn't. It is hardly anyone's fault for not knowing if this was bullshit or not. I don't know even now. He only made the last bid with some bullshit letter about community this and that to save face - IMO. I don't think anyone took it all seriously as it didn't look like a well worked out and convincing business plan. I would say it was foolish for Fisher to have made such a negative comment just after the return and just after the slamming of doors comment from CCC. It was pure arrogance on his part and undoubtedly he was outsmarted by Richardson and his PR was and is crap.
Hello Simon is this scoop from the same source that said Huddersfield had lined up Presley as their next manager?
I think Wasps will show us it was viable and will make it work.
I think you're forgetting who said they wanted to "build bridges". I'm not even sticking up for TF here, he's a baffoon, but his comments had no sway on the wasps deal, the negotiations had been going on for some time it was all but a done deal before we cam back. I don't understand why you cant accept that. Had TF said we wanted to buy it, guess what? the deal with Wasps would have still gone through, they'd of had an exclusivity agreement in place, CCC would not have been able to negotiate with sisu.
This had nothing to do with TF's comments.
SISU bought the club with the rent deal in place - their decision do you think WASPS / any properly run business would have bought under those rental terms
No strategy to move the club forward
Got outsmarted by both the council and WASPS
SISU are now an irrelevance with no plans or strategy just spout meaningless drivel that most Cov fans see through except RFC Grende & Co
Yeah, but...
Worth pointing out however, that atm it's not really possible to judge either way.
I dunno, personally I reckon in about 5-6 years there might be a stadium available for the football club to buy, even cheaper than it was last time out.
That's assuming we haven't all lost the will to live by then with the endless circular arguments, mind you.
Lack of Due Diligence is something that can rightly be levelled at SISU. The council certainly did outsmart SISU on this...they must have thought all their Xmas's had come at once with a new party happy to pay the rental deal as it was then.
It saddens me that some seem to take glee in the fact that our football club has been 'outsmarted' by a council and a franchise rugby club. Isn't the nirvana, what's best for our football club?
Don't take glee by any means but not prepared to accept that its all CCC's fault, SISU have been a disaster and their strategy backfired with the cost being the possible end of our club. Whilst CCC & Higgs were the landlords our existance was not in doubt with WASPS owning it I'm not so sure.
You parked your car in the wasps car park as soon as they rolled into town.
Go on Drunken Wasps and go away.
This sounds like a desperate attempt to cook up an explanation that is not even very good at removing any blame from the council. They could have waited, there was no need to absolutely fire-sell the football clubs home to a totally different sports franchise from London.
I am much more inclined to believe that Wasps required ccfc back to help lower the cost and up the income streams and cash flow of ACL.
I attend more matches than most moaners on here and my opinion counts.
Well done. Your Super-Dooper Fan badge is in the post!
Lack of Due Diligence is something that can rightly be levelled at SISU. The council certainly did outsmart SISU on this...they must have thought all their Xmas's had come at once with a new party happy to pay the rental deal as it was then.
It saddens me that some seem to take glee in the fact that our football club has been 'outsmarted' by a council and a franchise rugby club. Isn't the nirvana, what's best for our football club?
I guess not if some still sing the councils tune...
Wasps are cleverer than SISU .... Measured on who has a stadium and who has not.
Worth pointing out however, that atm it's not really possible to judge either way.
I dunno, personally I reckon in about 5-6 years there might be a stadium available for the football club to buy, even cheaper than it was last time out.
That's assuming we haven't all lost the will to live by then with the endless circular arguments, mind you.
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