lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
A difference though to things said for public consumption and things said in private though.
“I’ve made it clear and it’s no secret I am prepared to talk to, and do business with, any sensible legitimate business person with any offer to make. Nothing is ruled in and I have never ruled anything out.
“I’ve never said I would favour any organisation and I’ve definitely not said I would disfavour any organisation either.”
December 2013
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-council-leader-says-ricoh-6370106
A difference though to things said for public consumption and things said in private though.
Stop making excuses for SISU. There was clearly a deal to be done because Wasps have clearly done one.
AL kept her word. SISU never came forward with an offer and Wasps did. Guess what happened next.
“I’ve made it clear and it’s no secret I am prepared to talk to, and do business with, any sensible legitimate business person with any offer to make. Nothing is ruled in and I have never ruled anything out.
“I’ve never said I would favour any organisation and I’ve definitely not said I would disfavour any organisation either.”
December 2013
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-council-leader-says-ricoh-6370106
A difference though to things said for public consumption and things said in private though.
AL wrote a note saying he'll would freeze over before selling to sisu
Keeping her word isn't her strength.
AL wrote a note saying he'll would freeze over before selling to sisu
Keeping her word isn't her strength.
Did she? I thought someone else wrote the note?
A difference though to things said for public consumption and things said in private though.
cracks me up how the same old people blame the council for all of this.
root cause in this situation was SISU playing dirty. You want to get out of a bad rent deal? You negotiate. You don't stop paying rent and then stay there for a year in an attempt to screw over the owners. Even if you negotiate and they say a big old fuck you, you leave at the end of a season when you're all paid up to date.
you want to buy the stadium? Put in a serious offer instead of fucking around for years on end, taking the club out of the city, going to court and starting JR.
If you were renting a house out to some tenants, and they stopped paying rent and hadn't paid rent for 6 months, would you sell it to them? No? Maybe? What about if they started court proceedings about how you remortgaged the house because you had to because they hadn't paid any rent? Still up for selling it to them? Even though they're refusing to put a serious offer in...you're going to actually go out of your way to TRY and sell it to them right? Are you fuck
What if it wasn't a fucking house but it was a football stadium paid for by tax payers money and your duty was to look after that investment. Not to keep on putting up with some tosspot hedge fund owners who are trying to financially arse fuck you and get your stadium off you on the cheap or for free. It's not even the club, people, for christs sake!! You think it would have been in the clubs name?
Anyone who says they wouldn't have acted in the same way as the council is absolutely fucking deluded.
I would have sold it after 2 months of late rent, fuck um.
A difference though to things said for public consumption and things said in private though.
Read the words I've highlighted Huckerby. Sisu playing dirty but by your own admission, it was a bad rent deal.
Some seem to overlook the fact that it was the council/ACL who set the 'bad rent deal' in the first place, effectively, screwing the club.
Read the words I've highlighted Huckerby. Sisu playing dirty but by your own admission, it was a bad rent deal.
Some seem to overlook the fact that it was the council/ACL who set the 'bad rent deal' in the first place, effectively, screwing the club.
Pretty sure the club were originally offered a sliding scale rent deal but MM insisted on paying the same rent as we were paying at HR after we sold it. Could be wrong but I'm sure it was something along those lines.
To not accept the rent was to high makes you look foolish.The rent was too high. If it was a more reasonable figure then the club would maybe have around £5m less debt, and all would be good.:sarcasm:
Unless of course the rent was only a small part of the clubs problems, but the best lever SISU had to get some of their investors money back.
Pretty sure the club were originally offered a sliding scale rent deal but MM insisted on paying the same rent as we were paying at HR after we sold it. Could be wrong but I'm sure it was something along those lines.
Read the words I've highlighted Huckerby. Sisu playing dirty but by your own admission, it was a bad rent deal.
Some seem to overlook the fact that it was the council/ACL who set the 'bad rent deal' in the first place, effectively, screwing the club.
To not accept the rent was to high makes you look foolish.
They might have first been talking to ACL about using the Ricoh for European games. I believe their ground at Wycombe didn't meet the requirements for those. Wouldn't surprise me if that's all they were interested in and then the idea of buying ACL was put to them.
It's almost like Sisu never attempted to buy half of ACL with a 125 year lease for the same price as Wasps paid for all of it with a 250 year lease isn't it?
Bloody depressing thought that.I am afraid I agree with you that Wasps/ACL won't fail anytime soon. If they can secure a good name sponsorship then it's definitely over - the club will never own the Ricoh (or whatever it's name will be).
When we were at Sixfields I didn't think we would go back to the Ricoh and I thought the only way back to our city was a new stadium. I fear that the only way we will ever be free of Sisu is with a new stadium and or someone with more money than sense.That leaves two choices - stay as tenant in the faint hope Wasps hedge fund will treat us better than the Ricoh's previous owners, or support the building of a new stadium.
cracks me up how the same old people blame the council for all of this.
root cause in this situation was SISU playing dirty. You want to get out of a bad rent deal? You negotiate. You don't stop paying rent and then stay there for a year in an attempt to screw over the owners. Even if you negotiate and they say a big old fuck you, you leave at the end of a season when you're all paid up to date.
you want to buy the stadium? Put in a serious offer instead of fucking around for years on end, taking the club out of the city, going to court and starting JR.
If you were renting a house out to some tenants, and they stopped paying rent and hadn't paid rent for 6 months, would you sell it to them? No? Maybe? What about if they started court proceedings about how you remortgaged the house because you had to because they hadn't paid any rent? Still up for selling it to them? Even though they're refusing to put a serious offer in...you're going to actually go out of your way to TRY and sell it to them right? Are you fuck
What if it wasn't a fucking house but it was a football stadium paid for by tax payers money and your duty was to look after that investment. Not to keep on putting up with some tosspot hedge fund owners who are trying to financially arse fuck you and get your stadium off you on the cheap or for free. It's not even the club, people, for christs sake!! You think it would have been in the clubs name?
Anyone who says they wouldn't have acted in the same way as the council is absolutely fucking deluded.
I would have sold it after 2 months of late rent, fuck um.
AL wrote a note saying he'll would freeze over before selling to sisu
Keeping her word isn't her strength.
I find it amazing how certain people constantly make so much out of a note that was written whilst ignoring the fact that Fisher kept saying that they were only interested in the unencumbered freehold and wondering why CCC didn't offer SISU the same deal as Wasps had negotiated. Wasps didn't ask for the unencumbered freehold. They didn't get the unencumbered freehold offered to them. Fisher was going to keep our football club in Northampton until they got the unencumbered freehold or they built a new stadium. But it is all the fault of CCC because someone wrote a note
I find it amazing how certain people can keep going on about Sisu only wanting the unencumbered freehold, when it isn't true at all.
I find it amazing how certain people can keep going on about Sisu only wanting the unencumbered freehold, when it isn't true at all.
So SISU took our club to Northampton saying that they would only come back if they owned the arena. Fisher kept going on about the unencumbered freehold. White elephants and risk to the tax payers. But none of it was true and it is all the fault of CCC?
TATA and JLR will buy shortly, deal with Wasps owner being sorted.
I find it amazing how certain people can keep going on about Sisu only wanting the unencumbered freehold, when it isn't true at all.
Just looked at this again. You certainly well worded your reply.
So what else were they after on top of the unencumbered freehold?
So SISU took our club to Northampton saying that they would only come back if they owned the arena. Fisher kept going on about the unencumbered freehold. White elephants and risk to the tax payers. But none of it was true and it is all the fault of CCC?
Do we own the Arena then or are we not back?
Bit confused, because obviously it must be one or the other then?
cracks me up how the same old people blame the council for all of this.
root cause in this situation was SISU playing dirty. You want to get out of a bad rent deal? You negotiate. You don't stop paying rent and then stay there for a year in an attempt to screw over the owners. Even if you negotiate and they say a big old fuck you, you leave at the end of a season when you're all paid up to date.
you want to buy the stadium? Put in a serious offer instead of fucking around for years on end, taking the club out of the city, going to court and starting JR.
If you were renting a house out to some tenants, and they stopped paying rent and hadn't paid rent for 6 months, would you sell it to them? No? Maybe? What about if they started court proceedings about how you remortgaged the house because you had to because they hadn't paid any rent? Still up for selling it to them? Even though they're refusing to put a serious offer in...you're going to actually go out of your way to TRY and sell it to them right? Are you fuck
What if it wasn't a fucking house but it was a football stadium paid for by tax payers money and your duty was to look after that investment. Not to keep on putting up with some tosspot hedge fund owners who are trying to financially arse fuck you and get your stadium off you on the cheap or for free. It's not even the club, people, for christs sake!! You think it would have been in the clubs name?
Anyone who says they wouldn't have acted in the same way as the council is absolutely fucking deluded.
I would have sold it after 2 months of late rent, fuck um.
Playing dirty? I think you need reminding of this article, you either didn't see it or FUCKING IGNORED IT.
The acting leader of Coventry City Council has not ruled out the Sky Blues owning the Ricoh Arena in the future in the future.
Weeks of secret negotiations have led to the club agreeing to return to the stadium on a temporary agreement for up to four years.
While both parties have indicated that could be extended, club officials insist they eventually need to own a stadium.
Speaking after the Telegraph broke news of the Sky Blues Ricoh Arena return, Coun Phil Townshend said time was needed for trust to be rebuilt before looking at the potential of the council agreeing a deal for ownership of the Ricoh Arena with the club.
He also refused to say whether the new agreement included a clause which gave the club preference on buying the Ricoh.
He said: “The terms of the agreement between the club and ACL are commercially confidential. I’m optimistic and looking forward to seeing the club back playing there.
“As for the future, I think we should take one day at a time and not get ahead of ourselves and use this period to rebuild trust.
“All parties concerned need to learn to open doors the door for one another as opposed to allowing it to slam in other people’s faces.
“There’s been too much personal criticism in the past. A conciliatory approach is in the best interests of all parties concerned.”
Coun Townshend also said he believed the fans had played a role in bringing the club back to Coventry.
He said: “The fans made a difference. They have shown a committed dedication to trying to get the club playing back at the Ricoh where they should play.
“They have maintained their campaign throughout and they have kept the issue in the public eye.
“They have been one of the key pressure points in bringing the people involved to the table.”
Coun Townshend also said the return of the club was good for the entire city. “It’s difficult to find words to describe how pleased I am,” he said.
“Credit must go to all those involved in negotiations which have been difficult at times.
“If the football club is successful, the Ricoh is successful and the city is successful.
“The club will be paying rent, providing jobs and will make the Ricoh a more powerful sporting location.”
I guess CCC decided to take him at his word and sell to someone who did want it while the oppurtunity was there,
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