Stadium ownership would help, but it's not imperative, it's the balance of generating cash, income and profit that's important. If staying at Ricoh rather than someone gifting us a stadium, then we'd need to buy access to these revenue streams (I'm not suggesting this is as easy as asking and it being granted).
Blimey Tony you've just made the same arguement as Tim Fisher! The stadium itself should be able to run at a profit, in fact it should be easier than it is for pretty much every other club due to the extra facilites. So what you're saying seems similar to Fisher, that ACL being loaded with debt is not a viable proposition.
I don't see why every other club in the country can own and run a stadium but it now is being regularly suggested on here that we couldn't.
Careful Tony. That's what I've been asking for and apparently makes me a SISU loving Council hater
Not sure you need to bother Tony. We all know if an "expert" says something we don't agree with, then clearly he knows fook all...
Here's my issue Dave. If owning your own stadium is the cash cow it's supposed to be why do so many club's keep finding themselves with in so much financial trouble while still not competing in their league?
Here's my issue Dave. If owning your own stadium is the cash cow it's supposed to be why do so many club's keep finding themselves with in so much financial trouble while still not competing in their league?
You can still overspend no matter how much you have coming in and clubs continually do. That's a different issue, although also a problem for us if we wish to compete with those teams happy to risk millions.
The only team I can think of in a similar arrangement to us is Stockport and that has seen them go in to freefall and into non league.
Not sure Stockport are in the same arrangement as us. Pretty sure that they have all the income from the site but also have all the running costs. They rent it of the council I believe after the council purchased the ground to save it from redevelopment.
We all agree that SISU need to provide a business case. They need to provide a clear direction and how it will be achieved. Personally I'm a massive fan of self sustainability and think it's the only way forward for CCFC and football in general. In my opinion owning the ricoh and all that comes with it is a massive part of it.
Stockport rented off Sale, during that period they dropped out of the league. Sale moved to a new ground but retained ownership. I think about 3 years ago they agreed to lease rather than rent to Stockport so they do now have control of the ground.
We all agree that SISU need to provide a business case. They need to provide a clear direction and how it will be achieved. Personally I'm a massive fan of self sustainability and think it's the only way forward for CCFC and football in general. In my opinion owning the ricoh and all that comes with it is a massive part of it.
This is exactly where I'm coming from.
Tread water until we get to the Championship and up our profile.
References here to minimal rent and other incomes, based on Wasps ownership, without having the cost of maintaining a stadium in L1.
Spot on, but people don't see this on here and lambaste anyone who talks about it.
This is exactly where I'm coming from.
Tread water until we get to the Championship and up our profile.
References here to minimal rent and other incomes, based on Wasps ownership, without having the cost of maintaining a stadium in L1.
Spot on, but people don't see this on here and lambaste anyone who talks about it.
Say we get promoted this season, then what?
You either can't read or are just plain ignorant as most of us have said the current model WORKS in league 1, but not in championship and beyond.
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Ownership of the Ricoh is not an option in the near future so we need to tread water and raise our profile with a promotion.
Other options will come our way when we are back on the radar.
The council have bought it and rent it back to the club.
People are saying IF we got promoted it would be different though aren't they about that link? Not if we were in League 1?
Say we get promoted this season, then what?
You either can't read or are just plain ignorant as most of us have said the current model WORKS in league 1, but not in championship and beyond.
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I totally agree with the first 3 sentences .............. but given what we know how is the ownership of the Ricoh by CCFC (a) possible (b) that likely (c) achievable in a timescale that is realistic for the club. Surely we need, for the benefit of the club, some certainty as to where we are heading much sooner than waiting for a hoped for Wasps failure (I don't really see that happening to be honest but even if it did with all the twists and turns that could happen we are probably looking at not in the next ten years). Can CCFC sit and wait that long for something that may never happen?
Two choices remain I think
- commit to an arrangement at the Ricoh longer term and accept that not all incomes will be available but costs are kept low (hopefully)
- or build, gain all the incomes but also all the costs 365 day a year and hope income exceeds expenses
rock and a hard place for CCFC isn't it
So in this plan we tread water and get promoted (that's not treading water is it?). Then what? If we haven't even considered the options until then we have a long process to go through during which time there's every chance we will get relegated.
Is there any more options than we currently have that are likley to appear? Why not examine all options now and work out what the best way forward is?
That only happened this summer didn't it when there was concern the ground was going to be sold for redevelopment.
We have no plan so in its absence we need to just tread water until we get one.
Stay at the Ricoh, get the best deal we can, get promoted if possible and yo yo between the Championship and L1 if necessary until something changes.
In the meantime push Sisu on a new stadium to see if that is a realistic option or just something they talked about to drive the Ricoh price down. It may even be just their pride that's driving them.
Lets just get back on the radar and see where it takes us.
I understand the finances may be wrong outside L1 but we are looking at the best option for survival at the moment.
Getting into the Championship can't do us any harm and maybe lifting our profile will give us other options.
Working on the destruction of Wasps will achieve nothing except give you guys some satisfaction.
WE wont have our own stadium any time in the next 3 years imo.
I'm not so sure about this. If we start going up and down there is a danger that every relegation sees a higher number walk away and every promotion a smaller number returning. How long before our crowds dwindle and with us being so dependent on ticket revenue how long before we're struggling to compete in L1?
I don't think anyone is saying just sit here and hope Wasps fail are they?
More that if staying at the Ricoh is shown to be our best current option then to have any degree of success in the future requires that somewhere down the line we take ownership of the Ricoh from Wasps. The most likley way that will happen is if Wasps fail. Nobody thinks that's happening in the next few months as far as I can tell.
I agree but if a new stadium is the best way forward then no matter how long it is going to take, or even if it is judged to be the best way forward but something we can't afford to do now, then at least get the plan in place. Let us know what the best option is and how we are going ot achieve it.
All we're doing with a wait and see attitude is wasting time. Why wait 5 years and then go we need to build a stadium?
Equally if it turns out building a stadium is a useless plan why waste 5 years where it is an option and we deal with Wasps short term. Better to get a long term deal sorted now.
I don't see any advantage in waiting.
There's plenty of people on here who get the hump and accuse you of supporting Wasps if you say it isn't going to happen and we need something longer term than our current arrangement at the Ricoh. Look at the unfounded accusations I've had thrown my way over the weekend.
I agree but if a new stadium is the best way forward then no matter how long it is going to take, or even if it is judged to be the best way forward but something we can't afford to do now, then at least get the plan in place. Let us know what the best option is and how we are going ot achieve it.
All we're doing with a wait and see attitude is wasting time. Why wait 5 years and then go we need to build a stadium?
Equally if it turns out building a stadium is a useless plan why waste 5 years where it is an option and we deal with Wasps short term. Better to get a long term deal sorted now.
I don't see any advantage in waiting.
There's plenty of people on here who get the hump and accuse you of supporting Wasps if you say it isn't going to happen and we need something longer term than our current arrangement at the Ricoh. Look at the unfounded accusations I've had thrown my way over the weekend.
What actually do you think Sisu should do to move this on ?
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