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Grendel · Feb 14, 2013

What a sad and sorry state are in.

So many on here were desperate for robins to attack the owners. The disappointment was almost visible. MMM, Don, the increasingly absurd Sky Blue John and the high flyer from The City were left floundering. Then came the gibberish;

He was bribed
He knows nothing about the arrangements (though one may think a poster on here may know less than a senior employee in the company)
He's just greedy (acknowledged by all other than the above until now)

Time to face facts;

The owners are all we have
The owners are heavily investing in the football club this season
The owners will no longer be screwed by the council over the rent

The time to take sides is now. Back the club and its owners or support the council and its absurd quango and let the club die.

covcity4life · Feb 14, 2013

im with you grendal! back ccfc and sisu vs the council

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 14, 2013

Difficult choice though!!

tippex9 · Feb 14, 2013

Must admit my thinking has been that of the OP since season started....

covhead1 · Feb 14, 2013

Sack the council!!!

TheRoyalScam · Feb 14, 2013

At least all this pro-SISU spinmeistering gibberish is providing some much needed humour today

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

TheRoyalScam said:
At least all this pro-SISU spinmeistering gibberish is providing some much needed humour today

Is it us who are fabricating bribing allegations!? :facepalm:

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 14, 2013

I am onboard with you Grendel! CCFC all the way!!

dadgad · Feb 14, 2013

What utter crap - and then I saw the poster - :facepalm:
Blame the fans is idiocy beyond equal.
As if they made all the decisions. Where could we start? Selling HR? Giving Bell a 3 yr contract?
Grendel - you're a sad case.

coundonskyblue · Feb 14, 2013

To the council haters, what exactly do you want the council to do?

torchomatic · Feb 14, 2013

In your eyes SISU made all those decisions. Even the ones before they arrived.

dadgad said:
What utter crap - and then I saw the poster - :facepalm:
Blame the fans is idiocy beyond equal.
As if they made all the decisions. Where could we start? Selling HR? Giving Bell a 3 yr contract?
Grendel - you're a sad case.

Grendel · Feb 14, 2013

dadgad said:
What utter crap - and then I saw the poster - :facepalm:
Blame the fans is idiocy beyond equal.
As if they made all the decisions. Where could we start? Selling HR? Giving Bell a 3 yr contract?
Grendel - you're a sad case.

Dadgad I apologise. Your'e carefully thought out intellectual argument has won me over.

The clubs demise has nothing to do with any of the factors I have outlined -- it all hinged on Devid Bell signing a 3 year contract (Ps...it's 4)

I thank you for your in depth analysis to the situation.

brinner · Feb 14, 2013

Sisu out!!!

torchomatic · Feb 14, 2013

I like the SISU out without having an alternative argument. It might just work.

Grendel · Feb 14, 2013

brinner said:
Sisu out!!!

The Tooting Poplar Front returns.

georgehudson · Feb 14, 2013

as opposed to the Looting Popular Front i presume

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

dadgad said:
What utter crap - and then I saw the poster - :facepalm:
Blame the fans is idiocy beyond equal.
As if they made all the decisions. Where could we start? Selling HR? Giving Bell a 3 yr contract?
Grendel - you're a sad case.

You've misunderstood big time.

In this rent saga, the majority of fans are siding AGAINST our beloved Coventry City Football Club (they talk of loyalty of players, and managers, yet, stab the club straight in the back with a rusty knife - somewhat hypocritical I think!) many people blame SiSU for this mess, while they have made mistakes, some big mistakes - don't get me wrong! - their predecessors has made it a somewhat impossible job, they sold the Highfield Road, was a catalyst in this downward spiral to oblivion (League One), they also negotiated the crippling rent which is being imposed on our club who cannot afford to pay and ACL, whilst proposing seemingly reasonable agreements, they are still in pursuit of the FULL rent backdated, the very reason this bitter struggle carries on.

If ACL drop this pursuing of the full rate back, I'd guess that an agreement would be more likely, yet ACL remain adament it is their devine right to continue stealing from CCFC. They are playing their part in this dispute, yet they repudiate any wrongdoing on ACL's part.

Grendel hasn't said it's the fans' fault for selling HR or giving Bell a contract (btw, Thorn wanted that, not SiSU they sorted it out on his behalf, and were 'backing' their manager) so get this out of your thought processes.

What he is saying, if I'm wrong, correct me, is that ACL can gauge fan support, which is against SiSU and therefore our club, our team, so ACL can therefore take a more intransigent stance on the issue.

P.S I have exaggerated a little bit, just for jokes really. imp:

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

coundonskyblue said:
To the council haters, what exactly do you want the council to do?

Not waste taxpayers' money* all 13 million of it (?) on an insolvent corporation that is fleecing our club, yet the majority of fans remain oblivious to this. For a start.

* Ironic this, because people were moaning about SiSU's renegade tactics, which are working thus far, were wasting taxpayers' money, yet the council bailed ACL out.

I do remember when there was uproar that we turned down a halved rent agreement, yet they've lowered their demands again, exactly what I said in 1st and 2nd instances. :thinking about:

Chipfat · Feb 14, 2013

AT didn't have any say on who was signed sold or who was sitting on his bench,, that is fact, KD signed Bell to increase the value of a squad on paper simple as that. Sisu have had control for 5 years now and in this time we have gone backwards and the longer they stay it is harder to blame anyone else for the current state.

Even if they sorted out the rent from day 1 im sure we would be in this place today..

Grendel · Feb 14, 2013

Chipfat said:
AT didn't have any say on who was signed sold or who was sitting on his bench..

Complete garbage you've had you're head in the chip pan

dadgad · Feb 14, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
You've misunderstood big time.

What he is saying, if I'm wrong, correct me, is that ACL can gauge fan support, which is against SiSU and therefore our club, our team, so ACL can therefore take a more intransigent stance on the issue.

I fervently hope that ACL do adopt an intransigent position over this.
Rent is due.....they (ACL) have reduced it (massively) when they did not have to. Jobs are at stake, the interests of the council and the citizens of Cov are at stake......
Who would you support - a shadowy hedge fund (whose identity and motives are obscured by lies and self-interest) over a democratically elected body whose sole remit is to uphold the interests of the citizens of Cov and in a recent move chose to support ACL in a bid to safeguard a city amenity and jobs? Incidentally, this was a unanimous decision with cross party support.

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

Chipfat said:
AT didn't have any say on who was signed sold or who was sitting on his bench,, that is fact, KD signed Bell to increase the value of a squad on paper simple as that. Sisu have had control for 5 years now and in this time we have gone backwards and the longer they stay it is harder to blame anyone else for the current state.

Even if they sorted out the rent from day 1 im sure we would be in this place today..

We've been going downhill since relegation from the Prem.

coundonskyblue · Feb 14, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Not waste taxpayers' money* all 13 million of it (?) on an insolvent corporation that is fleecing our club, yet the majority of fans remain oblivious to this. For a start.
 
* Ironic this, because people were moaning about SiSU's renegade tactics, which are working thus far, were wasting taxpayers' money, yet the council bailed ACL out.
 
I do remember when there was uproar that we turned down a halved rent agreement, yet they've lowered their demands again, exactly what I said in 1st and 2nd instances. <img src="images/smilies/thinking about.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thinking About" smilieid="59" class="inlineimg" />

I also remember the uproar in 2003 when the council were undecided on whether to go ahead without the clubs involvement in the Ricoh project.

Had the council refused to get involved the club would have gone bust the very next day. The club begged the council to build the Ricoh, with local polls showing 90% of people backing the clubs stance.

Was the council wrong to save the club in 2003?

dongonzalos · Feb 14, 2013

Grendel said:
What a sad and sorry state are in.

So many on here were desperate for robins to attack the owners. The disappointment was almost visible. MMM, Don, the increasingly absurd Sky Blue John and the high flyer from The City were left floundering. Then came the gibberish;

He was bribed
He knows nothing about the arrangements (though one may think a poster on here may know less than a senior employee in the company)
He's just greedy (acknowledged by all other than the above until now)

Time to face facts;

The owners are all we have
The owners are heavily investing in the football club this season
The owners will no longer be screwed by the council over the rent

The time to take sides is now. Back the club and its owners or support the council and its absurd quango and let the club die.

You are wrong Grendel.
I did not expect Mark Robins to say anything about the club. I assumed he will have signed a confidentiality agreement.

I have not seem or heard him make any reference to the council either.

I find it very strange that in joining a new club in he first interview he would start discussing coventry city council.

MR robins is a tiny issue with me and our owners I have posted my full thoughts on them on another thread.

I have not always mis trusted them.

I kept an open mind yet. Recently I massively lost faith and trust in them

I started to like what they were saying in the summer

We Wont sack managers
We need stability

They signed freebies. I started to think maybe they have changed.

Their recent actions regarding the rent and sacking a manager after 3 games has led to me losing trust in them again.

I don't think we can be any further away from their aims of owning our own stadium and premiership football.

dongonzalos · Feb 14, 2013

Or support your club and ask your owners to behave in a manner that will benefit the club in the long term.

Also picking sides seems a little childish

Glad I am not on this side though

Originally Posted by shropshirecov:
The people who agreed the original rent are idiots, we know that.
but
400 grand a month to rent the ricoh, what are these mongs on. I'm no fan of Sisu but ACL are killing the club.

lordsummerisle · Feb 14, 2013

dongonzalos said:
We Wong sack managers

That Chinese takeover happened on the sly?

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

coundonskyblue said:


I also remember the uproar in 2003 when the council were undecided on whether to go ahead without the clubs involvement in the Ricoh project.

Had the council refused to get involved the club would have gone bust the very next day. The club begged the council to build the Ricoh, with local polls showing 90% of people backing the clubs stance.

Was the council wrong to save the club in 2003?

I don't know I was 8 or 9 at the time (depends on month) and I really didn't give a shit at the time.

... No I'm not going to research it.

dadgad · Feb 14, 2013

You have to wonder if people like grendal are prompted to spin this brainless drivel.

"Time to take sides now" - and do what exactly?

Man the barricades?, Write a letter to the CET?

Sisu play the victim now but why didn't they insist on a rent review five years ago?
They miscalculated and ask the fans to paint ACL as the villain.
Absurd.

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

dadgad said:
I fervently hope that ACL do adopt an intransigent position over this.
Rent is due.....they (ACL) have reduced it (massively) when they did not have to. Jobs are at stake, the interests of the council and the citizens of Cov are at stake......
Who would you support - a shadowy hedge fund (whose identity and motives are obscured by lies and self-interest) over a democratically elected body whose sole remit is to uphold the interests of the citizens of Cov and in a recent move chose to support ACL in a bid to safeguard a city amenity and jobs? Incidentally, this was a unanimous decision with cross party support.

Your post is slightly contradictory, your saying ACL need to have a intransigent stance, which would force CCFC out, yet, you are saying we need to safeguard the city from loss of jobs? Sort it out!

Jobs are at stake if there is no club playing at the RICOH, I can speak with authority on this, my employers benefit because of the store's location, and trust me, it would probably cost me my job, or some of my colleagues if CCFC left the RICOH.

It was chaos when we played Crewe at home btw, not that far, it was very, very busy.

A democratically elected body? Is that ACL? No.

The choice is a 'shadowy' hedge fund v 'shadowy' politicians who are careerists, not a great choice is it? That isn't the choice though, it is a people's club vs a private corporation, that's what it is.

We can't afford rent, we're paying premier league rent, we cannot afford it if we want to be a viable business (I hate saying that of any sports club), which may attract new investors, which is another contradictory stance of your camp because if we are burdened, no one will want to buy us, yet, if we are viable, investors come in, SiSU go, win-win.

Jack Griffin · Feb 14, 2013

i.e. SISU are prepared to screw Subway, Burger King, Pizza Hut .. yada yada.. to get their way... nice ain't they.

Grendel · Feb 14, 2013

dongonzalos said:
You are wrong Grendel.
I did not expect Mark Robins to say anything about the club. I assumed he will have signed a confidentiality agreement.

I have not seem or heard him make any reference to the council either.

I find it very strange that in joining a new club in he first interview he would start discussing coventry city council.

ll.

Please explain why he would have signed such an agreement.

dadgad · Feb 14, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor;366681 We can't afford rent said:
But you're asking me to buy into the illusion of CCFC being a "people's club".
WE like to think of it as such but it isn't really, is it?
We don't even know who its major shareholders are, where their interests lie.
What could be more shadowy than that??

I accept that if rent was lower we might be more viable to sell but as we cannot be certain of the current owners intentions you are asking me to believe in the never never. Sorry, I'm not going to buy that.
ACL have reduced the rent (massively) and Sisu should thank them and try and run the club and stop playing silly buggers.

Mucca Mad Boys · Feb 14, 2013

Jack Griffin said:
i.e. SISU are prepared to screw Subway, Burger King, Pizza Hut .. yada yada.. to get their way... nice ain't they.

ACL are pushing them out, it's ACL that are shooting themselves and the corporations in the foot.

Fuck them corporations if it means CCFC become prosperous because we reap the benefits of our own stadium, not some fat cat politician and ineffective charity (I like charities, however, I think they shouldn't be needed if we prevented the cause of the problem, I don't mean charities like Cancer Research etc.).

torchomatic · Feb 14, 2013

According to Ashdown Robins was bribed to keep silent. :facepalm:

Grendel said:
Please explain why he would have signed such an agreement.

dongonzalos · Feb 14, 2013

Grendel said:
Please explain why he would have signed such an agreement.

It's common business, practice not saying there is anything sinister in it.

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