NOPM....
Not One Penny More not directly, but indirectly.
Robbo or nick, don't know if you've logged in and out
NOPM was AFTER we had made numerous attempts to speak to the person who calls the shots at SISU. So you expect us to sit on our hands and do nothing but wait for a reply that never comes while our members call for us to do something. Our stance shifted because one side totally ignored us while the other side were and still are happy to meet us and answer any questions we put to them and if someone thinks why should they bother with us then why should they bother about our campaigns?
Just if SISU aren't listening to the fans and there were more of them do you think they will listen to a biased Supporters Trust with less numbers?
Surely the same could be said about going all out against sisu who own us?
Robbo or nick, don't know if you've logged in and out
NOPM was AFTER we had made numerous attempts to speak to the person who calls the shots at SISU. So you expect us to sit on our hands and do nothing but wait for a reply that never comes while our members call for us to do something. Our stance shifted because one side totally ignored us while the other side were and still are happy to meet us and answer any questions we put to them and if someone thinks why should they bother with us then why should they bother about our campaigns?
I refer you back to my previous comment.
A group that represents circa 20% of an organisations customers......
I've worked in software for a fair number of years. Before that I was a buyer/user of software. All the software companies had user groups. Sometimes the relationship between the suppliers and the user group members verged on open warfare, sometimes it was very good. In all cases the companies considered it vital to maintain communication with these groups.
Maybe SISU just know better than everyone else.
Not surely, potentially.
Anyway, back to the other statement you didn't answer/ back up...
Which one?
The one where we are the same person..
Oh, I didn't want to reply to that as I do have facts on who actually has multiple accounts and they might be a bit too close to home for him..
But it was sisu out before trust was reformed though? It was late kick off with the trust on that was anti sisu calling for admin as it would get them out...
To be honest my name is Nick he could of easily got confused.
Bless
I do just wish we could have more things like the march which aren't aimed at anybody, the numbers proved this would be backed.
When it gets anti sisu people aren't as interested to attend, when it is something neutral where everybody can share the same message it works and I think the trust did well with the march.
Come on then Nick, name one campaign we have "launched against them"
No Nick, sorry, you are 100% wrong. The Trust wasn't reformed. The trust has been going for 10 years or so, meeting every month pretty much without fail.
This idea of a reformed trust gives the impression that it has ceased to be, that was never the case, I know as I was one of those that attended the meetings every month so I can say FACT
Up until that point the Trust stayed clear away from the SISU out campaign purely because of the reasons you have stated. It would have left us no where to go. You me nor anyone else would involve/ negotiate with someone if their starting point was for us to leave. From what I can gather, after speaking to those that resigned from the SoC campaign, the reasons for leaving was due to the fact that it was a campaign solely to remove SISU without negotiation with them (I stand to be corrected on this as I had never been involved with that particular campaign)
It I'm honest, when these new guys joined the board the actual stance from the trust never changed. It got mobilised, more board members with greater skills gave us the ability to revitalise the trust to become what we are today and thank god they did.
So going back to your first point the trust has been consistence in its approach and our line only shifted recently when it became clear that Coventry City was to be moved to another town.
*Originally Posted by Nick *
Why would they speak to you though after you launch campaigns against them? I'm pretty sure if you said the same about acl they wouldn't speak to you either...
This one nick
Don't quite agree Rob.
Can't see how ACL are making any money of any note at all out of a charity match and a CCFC Ladies game.
Pressure does need to be put on ACL and the council to though.
Nick, perhaps you and Robbo could form a new organisation to show us fans the way forward? You could get that meeting with Joy Sepalla surely? Piece of cake eh?
Robbo seems up for it, he's already given my proposal the thumbs up. Come on, you could really show these Trust guys how to do it?
the gauntlet has been thrown!
go for it Nick
Nick, perhaps you and Robbo could form a new organisation to show us fans the way forward? You could get that meeting with Joy Sepalla surely? Piece of cake eh?
Robbo seems up for it, he's already given my proposal the thumbs up. Come on, you could really show these Trust guys how to do it?
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index.php?start=39
So that doesn't say "Trust meeting with Tim Fisher, 25 April 2013"?
I thought they hadn't spoken to you?
Also this one where they answered questions (may not be the right answers or what anybody wanted to hear but they are still answers)
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index.php?start=51
So do you still say SISU or reps have refused to speak to the Trust since day one?
So what is for you if a football club ceases to exist because no one was prepared to stand with banners and chant?So because I am giving constructive critisism that means go and make your own?
I want to go and watch and talk about football, standing with banners and chanting is not for me.
I tend to agree -- before I say more let me clear up something Lordsummerisle posted about me making "pro SISU" comments on GMK (whech I had forgotten about and apologized to him). These posts were made some 2/3 years ago when SISU appeared to be behaving themselves, paying rent etc and are not recent as implied. It's a bit like getting married, you might trust your missus to start with and she is loyal to you, but then she starts being unfaithful and your opinion changes.
This is why I have changed my opinion and now detest SISU and want rid of them- divorce !
I agree that SKY BLUES have a fan base of10,000 or more and only 1,000 still following them to Northampton. This is identical to the petitions signed that 90% do not want SKY BLUES to play outside of Coventry- a physical demonstration of just how many support SISU. I am not going to Northampton and support NOPM a KCIC.
If anyone in future wants to quote posts I made years ago as recent fact, that is hardly fair,
Anyone supporting NOPM Otis should be able to understand that NOPM should be aimed towards SISU and ACL, a position which the Sky Blue Trust has ignored when they should have remained unbiased they didn't.. They have become an advertising hoarding for ACL IMO.
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