We should start planning a Phoenix club... (1 Viewer)

bigfatronssba

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But it's not Coventry City and it's not Nuneaton, so why would fans of either side want to watch? How many times have we seen on here that people won't watch City if they moved away? You're moving a totally unrelated team into the City. What's the difference between that and what SISU want to do?

Agree with you there. Coventry belong in Coventry, Nuneaton belong in nuneaton.
 

James Smith

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Who's going to lend much sponsorship to what will initially resemble a pub team?
Someone who runs a business and hates SISU with as much passion as we do? There must be someone out there.
 

mark82

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Haskell to buy Nuneaton Borough who are in financial difficulties. Rebrand as club name eg Coventry Borough (like Rushden and Diamonds). Buy 1/2 Ricoh and start much higher up the league.

No way. What right do we have to move Nuneaton out of Nuneaton.
 
But it's not Coventry City and it's not Nuneaton, so why would fans of either side want to watch? How many times have we seen on here that people won't watch City if they moved away? You're moving a totally unrelated team into the City. What's the difference between that and what SISU want to do?

what about coventry and bedworth united? play at the ricoh only a couple of miles away for beduff fans, city ladies can carry on playing at the oval the oval can be our training ground and we could have the nickname sky blue backs? probably daft idea but its an idea
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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Can't really see PH4 doing that. Our already meagre crowds would be split. the PC would be playing at - I presume - a fairly low level and crowds would hardly flock to an almost empty Ricoh. His investment would go down the tubes, surely? He needs Coventry City in the Ricoh not some half-baked made up team.

AFC Wimbledon aren't a half-baked made up team...
 

James Smith

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AFC Wimbledon aren't a half-baked made up team...
When it was MKDons vs AFC Wimbledon in the cup I have never shouted so loudly at the TV set for a team other than Cov as I did for AFC.
 

torchomatic

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No, they're not. But I can't see PH4 throwing loads of money at a team who will get far less support than we currently do now.

I'd probably go and watch Leamington. I wouldn't come all the way over to Coventry to see a team that isn't Coventry. No different to those who said t hey wouldn't travel to see Coventry outside the City.

AFC Wimbledon aren't a half-baked made up team...
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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But it's not Coventry City and it's not Nuneaton, so why would fans of either side want to watch? How many times have we seen on here that people won't watch City if they moved away? You're moving a totally unrelated team into the City. What's the difference between that and what SISU want to do?

It wouldn't be though. We'd be the re-born Coventry City, as AFC are the re-born Wimbledon and Nuneaton Town are the re-born Nuneaton Boro. Newport, Chester...there's quite a few of them. And most are stunning success stories!
 

stupot07

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Haskell to buy Nuneaton Borough who are in financial difficulties. Rebrand as club name eg Coventry Borough (like Rushden and Diamonds). Buy 1/2 Ricoh and start much higher up the league.

If you're going to do that, why not choose sphinx, at least they are from Coventry?
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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Someone who runs a business and hates SISU with as much passion as we do? There must be someone out there.

Sounds like Gruffy has the cash...not that anyone ever brags on the internet about being rich when they aren't, obviously...oh and he loves SISU. Darn, back to the drawing board.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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It wouldn't be though. We'd be the re-born Coventry City, as AFC are the re-born Wimbledon and Nuneaton Town are the re-born Nuneaton Boro. Newport, Chester...there's quite a few of them. And most are stunning success stories!

No PC has made it to League 1-is that a risk you want to take with us?
 

stupot07

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Unless ccfc moves permanently and ceases to be ccfc, then I'm out. Starting a new club just because we hate sisu is just daft.

And I am 100% against buying Nuneaton town and moving them to te Ricoh and rebranding them.
 

Hincha

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But it's not Coventry City and it's not Nuneaton, so why would fans of either side want to watch? How many times have we seen on here that people won't watch City if they moved away? You're moving a totally unrelated team into the City. What's the difference between that and what SISU want to do?

Rushden and Diamonds fans were unhappy with the amalgamation at first, but were fine when it got going. Was a shame they lost their backer or they could have kept improving. The difference with SISU is they are proven terrible owners. I would hope Haskell et al would prove to be more reliable. Amalgamation would be a short cut up the league. Haskell would bring finance, Borough the ability to play at a higher level. Wont happen but that is what I would do.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Unless ccfc moves permanently and ceases to be ccfc, then I'm out. Starting a new club just because we hate sisu is just daft.

And I am 100% against buying Nuneaton town and moving them to te Ricoh and rebranding them.

Agree on both counts.
 

mark82

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Who's going to lend much sponsorship to what will initially resemble a pub team?

Probably the same businesses that already sponsor clubs at that level. No one is saying it is easy but FCUM and Wimbledon have done exactly this. It can be done. If its not for you, that's fine, no one is going to force you to support them.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Probably the same businesses that already sponsor clubs at that level. No one is saying it is easy but FCUM and Wimbledon have done exactly this. It can be done. If its not for you, that's fine, no one is going to force you to support them.

I'm not saying I wouldn't support such a team but I think such a move needs to be properly scrutinised in every way to avoid damage down the line.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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It wouldn't be though. We'd be the re-born Coventry City, as AFC are the re-born Wimbledon and Nuneaton Town are the re-born Nuneaton Boro. Newport, Chester...there's quite a few of them. And most are stunning success stories!



None more so than Accrington Stanley. It took 50 years but finally managed to get back into the Football League.
MK Dons had more or less a "Ready made team" and to this day I will never recognize them as a legitimate Football League team!....The same goes for any team other than a Coventry one playing at the Ricoh!
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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No PC has made it to League 1-is that a risk you want to take with us?

How many of them had played at that level recently-or even in their entire histories? Pretty much just Wimbledon, who had been punching over their weight arguably more than any top-two division side has ever done in this country.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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How many of them had played at that level recently-or even in their entire histories? Pretty much just Wimbledon, who had been punching over their weight arguably more than any top-two division side has ever done in this country.

They all benefitted from drawing on virtually all of the pre-existing fanbase, and even then some fans didn't come back. As long as the 'old' CCFC remained then we would be split and suffer pitiful crowds for both teams.
 

Hincha

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Agree on both counts.
Agree that starting a new club just because you hate SISU is daft. But, if SISU continue down the path we all fear ie going out of the City, a slow slide into the lower leagues or liquidation there comes a point where CCFC are no longer the club any of us started supporting (See Oxford for a club royally screwed by their owner). I see an amalgamation of the communities of Coventry and Nuneaton as a way of making a club that would come out of the ashes of this disaster that the two clubs are at the moment.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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They all benefitted from drawing on virtually all of the pre-existing fanbase, and even then some fans didn't come back. As long as the 'old' CCFC remained then we would be split and suffer pitiful crowds for both teams.

I don't think it will for long.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Agree that starting a new club just because you hate SISU is daft. But, if SISU continue down the path we all fear ie going out of the City, a slow slide into the lower leagues or liquidation there comes a point where CCFC are no longer the club any of us started supporting (See Oxford for a club royally screwed by their owner). I see an amalgamation of the communities of Coventry and Nuneaton as a way of making a club that would come out of the ashes of this disaster that the two clubs are at the moment.

Nuneaton aren't really a disaster right now. Suppose starting a new club forces SISU out of the old one and someone with money and a fecking clue replaces them. Then who do we follow?
 

stupot07

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Nuneaton aren't really a disaster right now. Suppose starting a new club forces SISU out of the old one and someone with money and a fecking clue replaces them. Then who do we follow?

Agree - in fact Nuneaton borough went bust in 2008, and were reformed into Nuneaton town starting 2-3 league lower than they are now. Their fans could have given up and start to follow the championship club a couple of miles down the road. They didn't they wanted their football club.

And your scenario, is exactly why I couldn't follow a Phoenix club unless ccfc ceased to exit/moved permanently. You start AFC Coventry, plummeting crowd force sisu to sell, a new owner comes in a brings ccfc back to the Ricoh - ccfc with an FA cup win, 35 years in the top flight, tommy Hutchinson, Peter ndlovu, robbie Keane, Dennis wise....
 

Hincha

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Nuneaton aren't really a disaster right now. Suppose starting a new club forces SISU out of the old one and someone with money and a fecking clue replaces them. Then who do we follow?
My brother says he read Nuneaton were heading for admin or liquidation, as a result of the new ground repayments, although I have not seen this confirmed. I accept that if Sisu left CCFC and we had good owners that would make any new club a non-starter (How I wish for this as an ultimate outcome). I can't see a takeover happening somehow, as SISU seem to think they will get big bucks for CCFC. I need the drugs they are on.
 

stupot07

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My brother says he read Nuneaton were heading for admin or liquidation, as a result of the new ground repayments, although I have not seen this confirmed. I accept that if Sisu left CCFC and we had good owners that would make any new club a non-starter (How I wish for this as an ultimate outcome). I can't see a takeover happening somehow, as SISU seem to think they will get big bucks for CCFC. I need the drugs they are on.

I think it's the owner of Nuneaton town (Ian Neale?) that's going bust, and the potential knock on affect that may have on Nuneaton towns viability.
 

BurbageSkyBlues

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Agree - in fact Nuneaton borough went bust in 2008, and were reformed into Nuneaton town starting 2-3 league lower than they are now. Their fans could have given up and start to follow the championship club a couple of miles down the road. They didn't they wanted their football club.

And your scenario, is exactly why I couldn't follow a Phoenix club unless ccfc ceased to exit/moved permanently. You start AFC Coventry, plummeting crowd force sisu to sell, a new owner comes in a brings ccfc back to the Ricoh - ccfc with an FA cup win, 35 years in the top flight, tommy Hutchinson, Peter ndlovu, robbie Keane, Dennis wise....

It all comes back to what you consider to be the club.

Can you define it.......can you point to a physical entity that is the club.

Right now, I don't feel that CCFC ltd is the club, holdings is the club, the Ricoh is the club, the directors are the club, ......the players aren't either, they are transient (passing through).

Basically, it is a virtual entity, representative of the spirit of the city and its people, it's fans. It certainly is not SISU.

People on here have referred to SISU as custodians of our club......right now, what are THEY saying is our club?
 

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