Weight and working out (5 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Well yes i agree, which is very far from other messages in this thread saying they should “put this stuff in the water” and similar comments. There’s a place for it as a nuclear option, but there are side effects which should be taken seriously and it also does not fix the underlying problem which is having a healthy relations on with food and exercise.

There’s a cruel irony to people saying that it’s not as simple as reducing caloric intake, or that they’re eating at a calorie deficit and simply not losing weight so there must be something else at play, and those same people also saying a drug that literally just reduces your appetite to the point where you are running an extreme calorie deficit, is the answer. Which one is it?

It just comes off same as the meme in mental health about “drugs not being the best way”. It’s another weapon in the arsenal against a disease that costs loads and ruins lives and we have very few effective treatments for.

The side effects seem no different from many other drugs that no one has any issue with.

 

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[robbiekeane]

It’s another weapon in the arsenal against a disease that costs loads and ruins lives and we have very few effective treatments for.

Jesus Christ…

You understand it’s essentially an appetite suppressant don’t you?

 

[shmmeee]

Jesus Christ…

You understand it’s essentially an appetite suppressant don’t you?

Yes. I’m not sure why you think I don’t. Obviously it works well for some people where self control alone don’t. Why are you so against it?

 

[robbiekeane]

It just comes off same as the meme in mental health about “drugs not being the best way”

Yeah and I think most mental health professionals would say that, for example with anxiety, if you can treat it with therapy and get to the underlying cause then that’s the preferred route rather than just prescribing a bunch of Xanax?

Not a perfect comparison but if you want to play shit analogy bingo

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah and I think most mental health professionals would say that, for example with anxiety, if you can treat it with therapy and get to the underlying cause then that’s the preferred route rather than just prescribing a bunch of Xanax?

Not a perfect comparison but if you want to play shit analogy bingo

Really not sure why you’re so aggressive about this. I was on SSRIs for anxiety last year because I was under enormous stress and my CBT techniques weren’t touching the sides. It saved my life and my job and now I’m off them.

The analogy is that the facts are current weight management strategies like current mental health strategies aren’t perfect and don’t work for a lot of people and finding options is as important as some ideal you’ve got in your head.

 

[robbiekeane]

Yes. I’m not sure why you think I don’t. Obviously it works well for some people where self control alone don’t. Why are you so against it?

I wouldn’t say I’m “so against” it. It’s your body do what you wish, I just think it’s a dangerous narrative to be spewing it as some miracle cure or nothing else works. It’s a last resort and should be treated that way

 

[shmmeee]

I wouldn’t say I’m “so against” it. It’s your body do what you wish, I just think it’s a dangerous narrative to be spewing it as some miracle cure or nothing else works. It’s a last resort and should be treated that way

Why is it dangerous? All you’ve done is rant and insult when people who have struggled with their weight have mentioned they see it as a useful option. It’s very weird.

Are you against it for diabetes treatment too? I’m having trouble understanding why this medicine in particular upsets you so much.

 

[chiefdave]

There’s a cruel irony to people saying that it’s not as simple as reducing caloric intake, or that they’re eating at a calorie deficit and simply not losing weight so there must be something else at play, and those same people also saying a drug that literally just reduces your appetite to the point where you are running an extreme calorie deficit, is the answer. Which one is it?

My understanding, from talking at length to a couple of the consultants involved in this at UHCW is that when people say it reduces your appetite they are massively over simplifying what is happening.

To be fair some of this stuff goes over the head so this is only the basics but from the parts that I can follow there's an almond shaped part of the brain involved. When they study people that really struggle to lose weight they find that this part of the brain is a different size. This is linked to signals being sent to the brain, or more accurately not being sent. In short when you eat certain reactions should be triggered by your brain and signals sent that you are now full and for some people that simply doesn't happen.

What the drug does is stimulate that response. That's why you hear people talk about 'food noise', for people like this their brain is 24/7 screaming for more food to fuel the body. People in that situation start taking the drug and talk about it like someone flipping a switch.

 

[robbiekeane]

All you’ve done is rant and insult

Please could you provide some quotes using the quote feature on where i have insulted anyone or ranted?

 

[robbiekeane]

I’m having trouble understanding why this medicine in particular upsets you so much.

Just to repeat myself because you clearly have a bit of a comprehension issue, I don't upset me and I am not set against it.

Why is it dangerous?

The narrative that it is a miracle solution and nothing else works is dangerous because that will lead to mass overuse in inappropriate situations. The narrative that "nothing else works" very much diminished the importance of other well documented and proven methods which have already been mentioned, such as lifestyle changes, dietary modifications, and probably most importantly mental health interventions. Ozempic on its own isn't going to fix things, it's a short term boost but needs to be used in conjunction with these other things for long term physical and mental health. Otherwise people just rebound or cannot get themselves off it.

Implying that it should be "put in the water" really really over trivialises the use of what is, lets not forget, a prescription drug which as has been explained really makes some changes to the way the brain treats and manages energy requirements. Again, this is trivialising its intended purpose as a last-resort medication and before you know it can cause serious harm especialy to vulnerable groups. One look at tiktok or instagram trends already show young people experimenting with all sorts of extreme measures to alter their appearance, mostly driven by unattainable beauty standards. also potentially encouraging misuse by people without genuine medical need and worsening issues like body dysmorphia and eating disorders

Shouldn't be that hard for you to grasp but of course its not what you want to hear - what you want to hear is i hate fat people and im somehow against a solution for them and somehow many people have defied science and have been in calorie deficits for years but not lost weight. There's an insult for you

 

[robbiekeane]

My understanding, from talking at length to a couple of the consultants involved in this at UHCW is that when people say it reduces your appetite they are massively over simplifying what is happening.

To be fair some of this stuff goes over the head so this is only the basics but from the parts that I can follow there's an almond shaped part of the brain involved. When they study people that really struggle to lose weight they find that this part of the brain is a different size. This is linked to signals being sent to the brain, or more accurately not being sent. In short when you eat certain reactions should be triggered by your brain and signals sent that you are now full and for some people that simply doesn't happen.

What the drug does is stimulate that response. That's why you hear people talk about 'food noise', for people like this their brain is 24/7 screaming for more food to fuel the body. People in that situation start taking the drug and talk about it like someone flipping a switch.

i think there’s a bit of confusion in this explanation...saying that essentially some people’s brains don’t know they’re full and that Ozempic fixes that oversimplifies how hunger and fullness actually work. it’s not like there’s some part of the brain that’s completely broken for people who struggle with weigh - it’s more about how the signals are processed and how hormones like GLP-1, leptin, and ghrelin function.

basically ozempic mimics a hormone your body already produces (GLP-1), which helps controle and regulate hunger and fullness. It works in the brain (in areas like the hypothalamus), not by “fixing” anything structural, but by amplifying and increasing the signals that tell you you’re full or reducing how much food you crave.

but it doesn’t just bring levels back to “normal”—it amplifies the effect to a degree that isn’t naturally achievable for most people. GLP-1 is a hormone your body releases after eating, signaling to your brain that you’re full and reducing your appetite. by copying or mimicking GLP-1, ozempic essentially supercharges this process, making you feel fuller for much longer and significantly reducing hunger cues.

this sort of superfiecial amplification is what allows people to maintain extreme calorie deficits without the usual constant hunger or cravings that would generally make it unbearable.

It also slows down how quickly your stomach empties, which makes you feel full for longer after eating. That’s why people talk about “food noise” you mentioned disappearing...ozempic helps reduce those constant hunger pangs or thoughts about food, but it’s not magic, and it doesn’t work the same for everyone

read a lot into it because an immediate family member lost a huge amount of weight on it and is now figuring out how to wean off it without piling it all on again