What exactly do you want the council to do? So many people criticise ACL without actually saying what they want.
No he didn't - he found an article where the club was moaning about the rent - what a shock. That does not by itself mean the rent was too high.
And the article doesn't even say this, Robinson pointedly does not confirm such conversations.
He said: "There are now at least 111 occasions when a paper has been submitted either as a matter of urgency or straight to full council from Cabinet on this topic and which, as a consequence, also means that it could not be called in for scrutiny."
I don't think my argument is worthless. You and other say that SISU want the rent decresed because they fucked up in the past - which they have there's no denying that. However, I post a story in the CET less than four months after the Ricoh was opened which shows that the PREVIOUS regime were also trying to renegotiate the rent.
So, is that a coincidence? You've said in the past that the rent is "fair". It's patently not.
As for making you ashamed. I am so pleased that my views are not the same as yours. Your the sort of fan who seems the demise of CCFC as "collateral damage" just as long as ACL get their money.
I pointed out your abuse, because it was abuse. Simply that.
With the key tenant, for whom the ground was specifically built, not paying the rent, I can see why they are struggling. CCFC is key to the ACL business plan (or was, before the re-financing).
The "leasing back" arrangement suited CCFC nicely when the council had to step in with millions of funding to get the ground opened. Now, predictably, the rent is "too high".
What too many people on here don't realise it that they are asking for a free ground - in reality, we have to pay for the Ricoh one way or another. We had a huge funding gap which the council breached. The purpose of the lease was to ensure the the council, via ACL, got paid back. Now you want to have your cake and eat it by asking for a £30m in ground funding and to pay £100k p/a to pay it back - that's clearly unrealistic, unless of course you think that the council has an obligation to subsidize CCFC.
I want them to tell us their plan! They have protected their investment in acl, ok. What now? Don't let sisu get any access to enough revenue to compete?? If that is the plan then CCC and acl may as well follow through with a winding up order now, what are they waiting for ? And because they are not I am utterly confused and as a fan distraught at the slow death of our sky blues
There goes our 'democratic' council, skipping the scrutiny part, that's possibly the important component of democracy and they're making decisions, without any scrutiny. Tut tut.
I don't disagree with that Coundon, but my point is when they were moving into the Ricoh, ACL must have laid the contract out in front of the dweeb with rent figure in it, why not then pull ACL up say "Hey wait a Feckin second?!"
Also true that they have no right to complain, but the figure that ACL are charging the Sky Blues is to high, SISU should have highlighted when they bought the club but they were a mixture of naive, stupid, incompetent and distant... I place the blame at the wanker Onye Igwe...
I believe they do hav an obligation to the club, which in turn helps local businesses, jobs etc in the city. All goes hand in hand, take the club away and many will suffer, and not just the fans..
By the way I in no way mean in my previous post the stadium should be given away, but a little help from the community would be nice....
That's right!!I don't disagree with any of that. As I've said before I have no problem with the club trying to renegotiate, its the way they've done it that I have a problem with.
So under that intellect do you think the club moaned at the amount of rent because they were paying to little? Use common sense my friend
I don't disagree with any of that. As I've said before I have no problem with the club trying to renegotiate, its the way they've done it that I have a problem with.
Again like I eluded to with CJ the way SISU have negotiated a better deal for the rent isn't smart, ACL hold all the cards in that respect, but if it is true that CCFC under the previous regime tried to negotiate the rent also and ACL weren't budging it makes you wonder if SISU hadn't of dug there heels in and made a stand then would ACL continue to keep saying no re-negotiations as we don't know if this has kicked up in the last 2 years of SISU's reign or if they eluded to it previously but because of the incompetence of Onye Igwe I wouldn't be surprised if he never thought that was a problem..
Does the fact it is 6x higher than the average championship rent prove it is too high?No, clearly any tenant would always moan about their rent and try to reduce it - that doesn't prove it was "too high", that's just a fact of life. Use your brain my friend.
No, clearly any tenant would always moan about their rent and try to reduce it - that doesn't prove it was "too high", that's just a fact of life. Use your brain my friend.
Again like I eluded to with CJ the way SISU have negotiated a better deal for the rent isn't smart, ACL hold all the cards in that respect, but if it is true that CCFC under the previous regime tried to negotiate the rent also and ACL weren't budging it makes you wonder if SISU hadn't of dug there heels in and made a stand then would ACL continue to keep saying no re-negotiations as we don't know if this has kicked up in the last 2 years of SISU's reign or if they eluded to it previously but because of the incompetence of Onye Igwe I wouldn't be surprised if he never thought that was a problem..
I do agree insofar as infrastructure like the railway station and other general infrastructure which helps the city in general as well - but not direct subsidy
I beg to differ - you are saying there that the taxpayer-funded council, in a time of harsh cuts from central government and council tax increases, should be subsidizing a club supposed to be funded by a Mayfair hedge fund. Labour, Tory or Lib Dem - nobody would support that.
The club has to be self-financing, end of story.
Robbo, please understand that Robinson supposedly moaning about the rent in 2005 is not proof by itself that it was OTT - moaning about the rent is what tenants do!
I actually agree with that sentiment, I don't think councils bail out football clubs, but they shouldn't bail out quangos like ACL either - they have! A waste of taxpayers' money.
However, how can CCFC be self-financing when we're paying 1.28m, and get nothing back in revenue streams? Yet you think the rent is fair? Contradictory pal.
This isn't really to with he owner in terms of turnover, we don't get enough fans up (and other revenue streams) there to be self-efficient, we really need to have a favourable rent agreement.
Does the fact it is 6x higher than the average championship rent prove it is too high?
In that situation they should have come out publically and said 'We've made mistakes, its nobodys fault but ours, but we really could do with help from ACL'.
That I could support.
If we bought the Higgs share in ACL, would we have to pay the same level of rent if any?
I respect that, it's people like CJ who grind me with not even acknowledging the rent was too high as it wasIn that situation they should have come out publically and said 'We've made mistakes, its nobodys fault but ours, but we really could do with help from ACL'.
That I could support.
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