Well what trans kids are trying to do here is establish a principle whereby anything they say has to be immediately accepted by the school, so yes legally, the teachers would have to concede that WW2 never happened.
Is that what you think is going on here?
If I repeatedly used the wrong name or pronoun with those students, despite being reminded, it would be seen as a form of bullying, which to be honest it pretty much is.Which was not exactly the point I was trying to make
They physically can’t have period pains and if a student of mine expressed Holocaust denial I’d refer them under the PREVENT protocol.
If I repeatedly used the wrong name or pronoun with those students, despite being reminded, it would be seen as a form of bullying, which to be honest it pretty much is.
This is not what’s accepted in trans communities. There are hundreds of posts about “trans periods”.
It’s biologically impossible.This is not what’s accepted in trans communities. There are hundreds of posts about “trans periods”.
Lol really?
They physically can’t have period pain
It’s biologically impossible.
You do because to have a period you physically need female reproductive organs which they don’t haveOf course. Claims vary but the common one seems to be “I have female hormones so that causes me a monthly cycle”
This is the problem, if a kid says that do you say they’re wrong?
You do because to have a period you physically need female reproductive organs which they don’t have
‘I want to be called she instead of he’ is not on par with ‘I’m having period pains despite not having a uterus’Surely could be classed as transphobic to say this? They are women....
So where do you draw the line in telling the kid they are wrong and where you just go with it as to not upset them?
You do because to have a period you physically need female reproductive organs which they don’t have
And it’s also painful for transgender women like Tess, who don’t have uteruses and don’t bleed on a monthly cycle, but who are women and many of whom do have a period. “As a trans woman, obviously you don't have a monthly bleeding cycle, you don't have a uterus, you don't have ovaries. But you'll hear trans women talk a lot about having their periods,” says Meghan, a transgender woman and officer in the Royal Canadian Navy.
That people can and do identify as a different gender from their biological sex due to a varied and reasonable set of concerns that deserve our consideration and respectWhat exactly is your claim here?
That humans really can change sex with thoughts and it’s not externally verifiable?
That we should never tell a kid they’re wrong for psychological safety?
‘I want to be called she instead of he’ is not on par with ‘I’m having period pains despite not having a uterus’
Accepted by who? It isn’t possible and if a male student ever claimed it I would tell them the same.They identify as women though.
This is the point, you can say it's physically impossible but it seems generally accepted that trans women have periods.
In the incredibly unlikely even of the first one happening, the student in question would immediately be referred to the Safeguarding team.Are they?
10 years ago we would have been saying it is daft that males are advertising tampons and it would never happen.
‘I want to be called she instead of he’ is not on par with ‘I’m having period pains despite not having a uterus’
That people can and do identify as a different gender from their biological sex due to a varied and reasonable set of concerns that deserve our consideration and respect
I know that statement implies to you that I support (or am naively enabling) some kind of sinister insurgent subculture that seeks total moral chaos but I promise there’s not much more to it than that
Accepted by who? It isn’t possible and if a male student ever claimed it I would tell them the same.
This is why, as I said a little while ago, I would not allow any hormone treatment or surgery until 18, minimum. While under that age, support them as best you can and if it’s a permanent belief or not, they’ll be grateful for the help later on.Accepted by trans people....
I don't doubt that there are cases where people really do feel trapped in the wrong body and will go through therapy and then the physical / hormonal treatment and fully transition but how many have a "phase"?
I listened to rap music non stop when I was about 14, if I had blacked up and gone into school saying I identify as Puff Daddy and everybody must call me this I am pretty sure it wouldn't have ended well for me.
Dropping this sentence straight after a “what if trans people but anorexia” analogy was a choiceI find it hilarious that you can’t actually argue your point and instead have to create weird straw men that means everyone who disagrees with you must be a crazy conspiracy filled bigot.
One is inventing a physical condition they do not have and the other is asking to be called a different name. Which given that none of us choose our birth names anyway, isn’t unreasonable or even that unusualWhy?
This is why, as I said a little while ago, I would not allow any hormone treatment or surgery until 18, minimum. While under that age, support them as best you can and if it’s a permanent belief or not, they’ll be grateful for the help later on.
One is inventing a physical condition they do not have and the other is asking to be called a different name. Which given that none of us choose our birth names anyway, isn’t unreasonable or even that unusual
Dropping this sentence straight after a “what if trans people but anorexia” analogy was a choice
No problem, if they can provide their own shedded uterine lining from their testiclesYes, but to them they are female and they have a period.
Why are you being transphobic?
One is inventing a physical condition they do not have and the other is asking to be called a different name. Which given that none of us choose our birth names anyway, isn’t unreasonable or even that unusual
The discussion was about names and pronouns rather than changing rooms wasn’t it?Asking for a different name is fine. Most teachers will do that as long as the student isn’t taking the piss.
It’s asking to get changed with the girls and for people to pretend they’re the opposite sex where it moves from just curtesy.
No problem, if they can provide their own shedded uterine lining from their testicles
The discussion was about names and pronouns rather than changing rooms wasn’t it?
Despite the rhetoric you hear from the sabre waivers at the Daily Mail, this would just not take place in a school. You would have risk assessments in place for the individual and others to protect everyone, so it just couldn’t occur. If they ignored these measures and did it I think you’d be looking at a PX.Asking for a different name is fine. Most teachers will do that as long as the student isn’t taking the piss.
It’s asking to get changed with the girls and for people to pretend they’re the opposite sex where it moves from just curtesy.
I’m sorry, this is the Earlsdon school of argument. You’re a couple of hours away from challenging me to a cage fight at this rate.It’s fairly obvious you aren’t open to a serious conversation on this topic.
I know I haven’t got a huge data sample to refer to, but I haven’t come across a student that has asked to identify as the other main gender, I’ve only come across students that have become non-binary and used they/them pronouns with different names.It’s about the whole shebang. Should a school play along? I’m saying that when a request for social transition can be a sign of numerous mental health comorbidities it’s a safeguarding issue that must be raised with parents.
I’m also saying that all the available data (and admittedly there’s not much) shows that social transition lessens the chances of dysphoric feelings resolving naturally. As such it’s not a neutral act to go along with a kids request to be treated as the opposite sex. It’s a bit more than James wanting to be called Jimmy now. It’s closer to James wanting to be called Switchblade or NoScope36069. Some teachers would just go along, but I’m not sure teachers who refuse should be punished. Neither should they for James to Jimmy, but they’re more of a dick.
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