Jamesimus
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Edited mine slightly there apologies! I think we should be more patient than playoffs this season or out is all.
Yes. Have you read mine? I don't believe I've disagreed with anyone
The idea of “playoff form” “relegation form” is nonsense really. Not many teams average the same ppg consistently throughout the season. Robins has shown that even with a start like we’ve had you can expect a top ten finish. Whatever comes in has to be better than that.
Be interesting what the Robins Out crew will come up with.
If they didn't expect anything less than play offs with Robins then they can't seriously expect anything less with their new man.
In fact, we should be surpassing what we expected Robins to achieve this season as the new guy should be "better" than what we had.
You guys are just setting yourself up for a season of misery tbf.The idea of “playoff form” “relegation form” is nonsense really. Not many teams average the same ppg consistently throughout the season. Robins has shown that even with a start like we’ve had you can expect a top ten finish. Whatever comes in has to be better than that.
The reverse also applies. The minority who wanted Robins out insisted it was all down to him and the coaching set up, signings etc were such that we should expect play offs as a minimum.Given the excuse for many was
A. The coaches are shit
B. The players are shit and a waste of money
Do you actually expect the new man to do any better at all?
If it was the start of the season then yeah I'd agree.
We have wasted a third of it.
"Their new man" fucking hell
You guys are just setting yourself up for a season of misery tbf.
Genuinely sounds like half of you will be glad if we do poorly so you can finger wag and moan about how it was better under Robins.
You guys are just setting yourself up for a season of misery tbf.
Genuinely sounds like half of you will be glad if we do poorly so you can finger wag and moan about how it was better under Robins.
More than enough time to get into the playoffs. You can't want the current manager ousted and not expect the new guy to do surpass what we already had.
Be interesting what the Robins Out crew will come up with.
If they didn't expect anything less than play offs with Robins then they can't seriously expect anything less with their new man.
In fact, we should be surpassing what we expected Robins to achieve this season as the new guy should be "better" than what we had.
Just for clarity - I didn't sack him!!Sacking a manager who has never had a bad season is harsher. “That’s football”
Whoever it is has been brought in for instant success. If they aren’t better than the last seven years then they’ve failed.
I'm not sure you get the point.
Realistic expectations change after we had another "slow start".
Next season with a full season? Absolutely.
Guess what some might expect is something better than the awful performances against Norwich, Derby , Shed Wed, Norwich , Stoke , etc.The reverse also applies. The minority who wanted Robins out insisted it was all down to him and the coaching set up, signings etc were such that we should expect play offs as a minimum.
Seeing some of those who were most vocal in demanding Robins be sacked now saying we can’t expect a new manager to lead to big improvements as he’ll have the same players and coaching setup!
Not sure if I'm classed as one of those more vocal, there's some people acting like this is the worst thing ever who have said harsher shit about Robins than me, and that's not lost on me at all.The reverse also applies. The minority who wanted Robins out insisted it was all down to him and the coaching set up, signings etc were such that we should expect play offs as a minimum.
Seeing some of those who were most vocal in demanding Robins be sacked now saying we can’t expect a new manager to lead to big improvements as he’ll have the same players and coaching setup!
Haha. So potentially no matter how shit* we are this season with the new guy then it was still the right decision?
*Hopefully, it won't be shit.
Not sure if I'm classed as one of those more vocal, there's some people acting like this is the worst thing ever who have said harsher shit about Robins than me, and that's not lost on me at all.
However I think it would be difficult for someone to come in and do much worse than Robins this season tbh. People can say he'd have turned it around, it’s an easy thing to say. Not for me though, wasn't seeing it at all.
I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.Haha. So potentially no matter how shit* we are this season with the new guy then it was still the right decision?
*Hopefully, it won't be shit.
I've said earlier in this thread I will be happy with top half after the poor start and I think had he stayed I would have been ok with Mark Robins achieving exactly the same this season.Total rubbish. Fans wouldn't have travelled 400 miles plus in their numbers yesterday if that was the case.
If the trigger has been pulled then things have to be better than under Robins or what was the point?
Where do you think Robins would have got us this season?
So forgetting league position we’re expecting these players not to put in another performance like Derby?
I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.
We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.
I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.
Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.
I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.
We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.
I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.
Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.
"Their new man". You are a grown bloke FFS.
Our recent form is play off form? What are you smoking?And sounds like no matter how crap we are you’ll pretend it’s the right decision and robins would have been worse.
Our recent form, that lead to his sacking, is play off form. Thats the bare minimum to maintain where we were going.
The last 5 form is 7th , that's classed as recent formOur recent form is play off form? What are you smoking?
And if we don’t see it? Do we give him two windows to change it, then if we start poor next season pull the trigger again? Then that guy won’t be expected to do anything for a season cos he’s new?
When is a reasonable point to say it’s not working?
Our recent form is play off form? What are you smoking?
The last 5 form is 7th , that's classed as recent form
I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.
We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.
I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.
Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.
"Their new man". You are a grown bloke FFS.
Let's face it. If we are in the same position this time next year after a new manager has had 2 windows and a pre season then it's not acceptable is it?
Chances are, even with Robins, we wouldn't have shown the same progress we have over recent years for a few different reasons. New coaching regime, new players, etc. Whatever, there are a hundred different reasons. So this would have been a season of consolidation. And, there's nothing wrong with that.
I find it odd that this wouldn't have been acceptable for Robins but you seem to be suggesting a season of consolidation would be fine under our new manager.
And, it's not nonsense to expect better as why sack the existing manager?
Gives me the feeling of "well, what was the point in sacking him then?"
W2 D1 L2 is not play off form by any stretch of the imagination. And that was our best 5 game run of the season.Well down to 8th since Sunderland. But when Robins was sacked our last five games were what? 4th?
Chances are, even with Robins, we wouldn't have shown the same progress we have over recent years for a few different reasons. New coaching regime, new players, etc. Whatever, there are a hundred different reasons. So this would have been a season of consolidation. And, there's nothing wrong with that.
I find it odd that this wouldn't have been acceptable for Robins but you seem to be suggesting a season of consolidation would be fine under our new manager.
Gives me the feeling of "well, what was the point in sacking him then?"
Yeah this is where I am. You need 73ish points for 6th place. That's 1.83 ppg from here on in. Especially as Wright will miss a few games. I even if Robins had turned it around, I thought play offs were over.Top 10, that will require play off form to achieve a top 10 position from here.
Play offs will require close to automatic form which in my view is unreasonable to expect.
Edit: I didn't want Robins out so i guess i shouldn't have answered this or voted in the poll?
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