What’s your expectation for the new guy? (11 Viewers)

[Jamesimus]

Yes. Have you read mine? I don't believe I've disagreed with anyone

Edited mine slightly there apologies! I think we should be more patient than playoffs this season or out is all.

 

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[Jamesimus]

The idea of “playoff form” “relegation form” is nonsense really. Not many teams average the same ppg consistently throughout the season. Robins has shown that even with a start like we’ve had you can expect a top ten finish. Whatever comes in has to be better than that.

Of course, but new guy is going to have to have a seriously impressive start then, otherwise there will be lots of wet bedsheets on here and I honestly don’t think we should be expecting that.

 

[Nick]

Be interesting what the Robins Out crew will come up with.

If they didn't expect anything less than play offs with Robins then they can't seriously expect anything less with their new man.

In fact, we should be surpassing what we expected Robins to achieve this season as the new guy should be "better" than what we had.

If it was the start of the season then yeah I'd agree.

We have wasted a third of it.

"Their new man" fucking hell

 

[skybluecam]

The idea of “playoff form” “relegation form” is nonsense really. Not many teams average the same ppg consistently throughout the season. Robins has shown that even with a start like we’ve had you can expect a top ten finish. Whatever comes in has to be better than that.

You guys are just setting yourself up for a season of misery tbf.

Genuinely sounds like half of you will be glad if we do poorly so you can finger wag and moan about how it was better under Robins.

 

[chiefdave]

Given the excuse for many was
A. The coaches are shit
B. The players are shit and a waste of money
Do you actually expect the new man to do any better at all?

The reverse also applies. The minority who wanted Robins out insisted it was all down to him and the coaching set up, signings etc were such that we should expect play offs as a minimum.

Seeing some of those who were most vocal in demanding Robins be sacked now saying we can’t expect a new manager to lead to big improvements as he’ll have the same players and coaching setup!

 

[torchomatic]

If it was the start of the season then yeah I'd agree.

We have wasted a third of it.

"Their new man" fucking hell

More than enough time to get into the playoffs. You can't want the current manager ousted and not expect the new guy to do surpass what we already had.

 

[torchomatic]

You guys are just setting yourself up for a season of misery tbf.

Genuinely sounds like half of you will be glad if we do poorly so you can finger wag and moan about how it was better under Robins.

Total rubbish. Fans wouldn't have travelled 400 miles plus in their numbers yesterday if that was the case.

If the trigger has been pulled then things have to be better than under Robins or what was the point?

Where do you think Robins would have got us this season?

 

[shmmeee]

You guys are just setting yourself up for a season of misery tbf.

Genuinely sounds like half of you will be glad if we do poorly so you can finger wag and moan about how it was better under Robins.

And sounds like no matter how crap we are you’ll pretend it’s the right decision and robins would have been worse.

Our recent form, that lead to his sacking, is play off form. Thats the bare minimum to maintain where we were going.

 

[Nick]

More than enough time to get into the playoffs. You can't want the current manager ousted and not expect the new guy to do surpass what we already had.

I'm not sure you get the point.

Realistic expectations change after we had another "slow start".

Next season with a full season? Absolutely.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Be interesting what the Robins Out crew will come up with.

If they didn't expect anything less than play offs with Robins then they can't seriously expect anything less with their new man.

In fact, we should be surpassing what we expected Robins to achieve this season as the new guy should be "better" than what we had.

Totally agree. And not only that, DKs fired arguably our greatest ever manager for a poor run of form yet were 8pts off the play offs, still with 2/3rds of the season to go.

Any new man coming in must have POs as a minimum target.

Also, quite a few keep banging on about xG and on that other thread, weren't we 4th or 5th in the table??

If we're not in the POs come the end of the season, I think it'll be fair to regard this season as a failure and the new manager will take most of the responsibility for that.

If DK fired MR for not being in and around the POs, DKs expectation for the new manager will be POs.

 

[The watchmaker]

Sacking a manager who has never had a bad season is harsher. “That’s football”

Whoever it is has been brought in for instant success. If they aren’t better than the last seven years then they’ve failed.

Just for clarity - I didn't sack him!!

I can't really envisage a manager doing better than the last 7 years and it is really dangerous heaping that level of expectation on the new guy (/gal?). Reality is I wouldn't have advocated sacking Robins for a 7th place finish if we gave it a good go and the same for whoever replaces him.

 

[torchomatic]

I'm not sure you get the point.

Realistic expectations change after we had another "slow start".

Next season with a full season? Absolutely.

Haha. So potentially no matter how shit* we are this season with the new guy then it was still the right decision?

*Hopefully, it won't be shit.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

The reverse also applies. The minority who wanted Robins out insisted it was all down to him and the coaching set up, signings etc were such that we should expect play offs as a minimum.

Seeing some of those who were most vocal in demanding Robins be sacked now saying we can’t expect a new manager to lead to big improvements as he’ll have the same players and coaching setup!

Guess what some might expect is something better than the awful performances against Norwich, Derby , Shed Wed, Norwich , Stoke , etc.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Expect anyone coming in has to get us in touching distance of the play offs (or in it) and next season has to make the play offs.

 

[TomRad85]

The reverse also applies. The minority who wanted Robins out insisted it was all down to him and the coaching set up, signings etc were such that we should expect play offs as a minimum.

Seeing some of those who were most vocal in demanding Robins be sacked now saying we can’t expect a new manager to lead to big improvements as he’ll have the same players and coaching setup!

Not sure if I'm classed as one of those more vocal, there's some people acting like this is the worst thing ever who have said harsher shit about Robins than me, and that's not lost on me at all.

However I think it would be difficult for someone to come in and do much worse than Robins this season tbh. People can say he'd have turned it around, its an easy thing to say. Not for me though, wasn't seeing it at all.

 

[napolimp]

Haha. So potentially no matter how shit* we are this season with the new guy then it was still the right decision?

*Hopefully, it won't be shit.

They say that now, but as soon as the new appointment loses a few they'll all be getting their pitchforks out.

 

[Jamesimus]

Not sure if I'm classed as one of those more vocal, there's some people acting like this is the worst thing ever who have said harsher shit about Robins than me, and that's not lost on me at all.

However I think it would be difficult for someone to come in and do much worse than Robins this season tbh. People can say he'd have turned it around, it’s an easy thing to say. Not for me though, wasn't seeing it at all.

Personally think he’d already just started to turn it around. But I get your point, no one really knows.

 

[Nick]

Haha. So potentially no matter how shit* we are this season with the new guy then it was still the right decision?

*Hopefully, it won't be shit.

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.

We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.

I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.

Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.

"Their new man". You are a grown bloke FFS.

 

[nicksar]

Total rubbish. Fans wouldn't have travelled 400 miles plus in their numbers yesterday if that was the case.

If the trigger has been pulled then things have to be better than under Robins or what was the point?

Where do you think Robins would have got us this season?

I've said earlier in this thread I will be happy with top half after the poor start and I think had he stayed I would have been ok with Mark Robins achieving exactly the same this season.
I know that doesn't answer the "what's the point" part of your post

 

[shmmeee]

So forgetting league position we’re expecting these players not to put in another performance like Derby?

 

[Nick]

So forgetting league position we’re expecting these players not to put in another performance like Derby?

I've never seen somebody try to miss the point as much as this.

 

[shmmeee]

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.

We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.

I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.

Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.

And if we don’t see it? Do we give him two windows to change it, then if we start poor next season pull the trigger again? Then that guy won’t be expected to do anything for a season cos he’s new?

When is a reasonable point to say it’s not working?

 

[napolimp]

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.

We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.

I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.

Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.

"Their new man". You are a grown bloke FFS.

We've won 2, drawn 2, lost 1 in the last 5. Do you not understand the concept of form?

 

[skybluecam]

And sounds like no matter how crap we are you’ll pretend it’s the right decision and robins would have been worse.

Our recent form, that lead to his sacking, is play off form. Thats the bare minimum to maintain where we were going.

Our recent form is play off form? What are you smoking?

 

[Evo1883]

Our recent form is play off form? What are you smoking?

The last 5 form is 7th , that's classed as recent form

 

[Nick]

And if we don’t see it? Do we give him two windows to change it, then if we start poor next season pull the trigger again? Then that guy won’t be expected to do anything for a season cos he’s new?

When is a reasonable point to say it’s not working?

Let's face it. If we are in the same position this time next year after a new manager has had 2 windows and a pre season then it's not acceptable is it?

 

[shmmeee]

Our recent form is play off form? What are you smoking?

Well down to 8th since Sunderland. But when Robins was sacked our last five games were what? 4th?

 

[shmmeee]

The last 5 form is 7th , that's classed as recent form

It’s basically been a bad first block of ten games.

 

[torchomatic]

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that we are effectively a decent chunk through the season with awful form. If the new manager was coming in in June then of course the expectation would be the same.

We have been shit for the majority of this season so far.

I expect the new manager to come in and see signs of a clear style of play, game plan and see them tactically astute. Of course the form needs to improve and we need to climb the table.

Let's face it, saying a new manager needs to come in after we have wasted so many games this season and achieve more than robins target before the season is just showing people are talking nonsense and probably need to grow up a little bit.

"Their new man". You are a grown bloke FFS.

Chances are, even with Robins, we wouldn't have shown the same progress we have over recent years for a few different reasons. New coaching regime, new players, etc. Whatever, there are a hundred different reasons. So this would have been a season of consolidation. And, there's nothing wrong with that.

I find it odd that this wouldn't have been acceptable for Robins but you seem to be suggesting a season of consolidation would be fine under our new manager.

Gives me the feeling of "well, what was the point in sacking him then?"

 

[shmmeee]

Let's face it. If we are in the same position this time next year after a new manager has had 2 windows and a pre season then it's not acceptable is it?

Then we sack him and give the new guy 18 months? I think that cadence is far too slow to efficiently find the next good manager.

 

[torchomatic]

Chances are, even with Robins, we wouldn't have shown the same progress we have over recent years for a few different reasons. New coaching regime, new players, etc. Whatever, there are a hundred different reasons. So this would have been a season of consolidation. And, there's nothing wrong with that.

I find it odd that this wouldn't have been acceptable for Robins but you seem to be suggesting a season of consolidation would be fine under our new manager.

And, it's not nonsense to expect better as why sack the existing manager?

Gives me the feeling of "well, what was the point in sacking him then?"

 

[skybluecam]

Well down to 8th since Sunderland. But when Robins was sacked our last five games were what? 4th?

W2 D1 L2 is not play off form by any stretch of the imagination. And that was our best 5 game run of the season.

 

[Nick]

Chances are, even with Robins, we wouldn't have shown the same progress we have over recent years for a few different reasons. New coaching regime, new players, etc. Whatever, there are a hundred different reasons. So this would have been a season of consolidation. And, there's nothing wrong with that.

I find it odd that this wouldn't have been acceptable for Robins but you seem to be suggesting a season of consolidation would be fine under our new manager.

Gives me the feeling of "well, what was the point in sacking him then?"

Read back what you have typed.

So much is just bitterness and emotional nonsense.

 

[Sick Boy]

One positive in this is that the fawning over King will stop and he’ll be held more accountable.

 

[stupot07]

Top 10, that will require play off form to achieve a top 10 position from here.

Play offs will require close to automatic form which in my view is unreasonable to expect.


Edit: I didn't want Robins out so i guess i shouldn't have answered this or voted in the poll?

Yeah this is where I am. You need 73ish points for 6th place. That's 1.83 ppg from here on in. Especially as Wright will miss a few games. I even if Robins had turned it around, I thought play offs were over.