The watchmaker
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We are 9th favourite for promotion with the bookies at 20/1. You can get 750/1 on Plymouth. You should lump on!!
What’s your expectation for the new guy? (4 Viewers)
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Nick
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Yes but thats because of the awful start.
That's why I have said if it was July now then of course the expectation should be the same if not higher.
clint van damme
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Thought it might be!
Ring Of Steel
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The silly relegation talk is just blatantly attempting to lower expectation, we all know that.
Nick
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He literally explained why.
Grendel
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How many points are we off relegation as it stands?
stupot07
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Funnily enough he deleted that bit from the quote.
clint van damme
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So we've got rid of Robins to get to the same place we were heading anyway?
The whole thing makes no sense.
Nick
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Or it's because we were outside the relegation zone on goal difference when he was sacked.
Nick
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Well by the start of next season the aim is to not give everybody else a 15 game head start.
Grendel
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No one can say where we were heading but the trajectory was going downwards for the second season in a row
clint van damme
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It's nonsense to say its completely different. There are huge parallels even if it isn't an identical situation.
And I'm fairly sure you were one of the ones at the time saying the pitch debacle wasn't an excuse!
clint van damme
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Indeed. But we've been there before.
But now we've got a new man coming inside you're all downgrading your expectations, its bizarre.
Nick
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I am saying why it's different from now. We haven't got 2 games in hand, we haven't had an interruption to the start of the season.
covcity4life
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I agree we were not gonna get relegated but to be fair the people angry robins is gone were also on here panicking about relegation I remember. It's just they were blaming it on recruitment and Doug.
Ring Of Steel
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but not surprising tbh
clint van damme
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Even the biggest anti Robins cheerleader on here admits there's no way we were going to be in acceleration scrap.
It's pretty clear.
honestken
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Instant Success
clint van damme
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Well I still do put a lot of blame on King for this mess.
I've criticised Robins, but even the mistakes I've criticised him for perhaps don't happen if he been allowed to continue with an assistant, we'll never know for sure either way
Nick
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It's really not hard to grasp. The expectations are different to the start of the season because we are 15 games in, 1 point above relegation.
If we were 15 games in and 10 points clear at the top, the expectations would be different again.
If it was now pre season, the expectation would be different.
clint van damme
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But I said there are parallels, which there clearly are, I never said its an identical situation
Same as last season, when we went on a great run. Lot of similarities.
Skyblueweeman
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It could be less than 60 points to get to the POs. Like I said, this season it seems to be a poorer division so previous totals might not be needed.
We're still only 8 points off the play offs with 31 games to go.
31 games to go. THIRTY. ONE.
That's a huge amount of games.
We've currently got one more point than same time last season and we finished 9th. We finished 9 points off POs and you'll know that we tailed off due to the FA Cup run.
This time last season, Leicester were top on 39 points. Sunderland currently have 31 points.
This time last season, the difference between 6th and last was 19 points. This season its 15 points.
The league is much tighter this season, more condensed so it won't take as much as it did last season to get to the POs.
And to repeat - there's still THIRTY-ONE games to go.
clint van damme
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I'm not the one who's changed my expectations, I'd have been fine with finishing 9th - 11th under Robins, I'll be fine with that from the new fella.
I'll leave the goal post moving to the Robins out brigade.
Nick
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In pre season, 11th was acceptable?
clint van damme
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Yet only 5 teams have scored more goals than us.
Yes, losing Haji is a big blow but time for Simms to step up.
clint van damme
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For me, though obviously I'd hope for more.
I know I'm in a minority but this is a tough league with several teams fighting for realistically 1 promotion place. I don't think we have a right to be top 6 though I do think we should be in the play off shake up going in to the final few weeks of the season, which we have been for the last 3 seasons.
Skyblueweeman
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Skyblueweeman
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Oh and also...
You say we've lost to poor teams this season. We have.
But we've also taken 8 points from the top 10 teams this season whereas this time last season, we only had 2 points from the top 10 teams after 15 games.
Doesn't matter how you paint it - we're still marginally better off than this time last season, in a division that's statistically worse/tighter than last season so theoretically, barring a good cup run again, there's a better chance of reaching the top 6 than last season - given it's tighter.
Losing Wright for extended period of time is our biggest issue at the minute (on the pitch).
Calista
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It's most likely worse than that, taking a longer term view. Robins' tenure here for so many years was pretty much unique. The way it works across English football is that managers are churned on a very regular basis. If you don't deliver success within a couple of years (statistically most likely because every year the vast majority of teams don't get promoted or win a trophy) you are deemed a failure and replaced, and the cycle begins again.
The club has now signed up for that tombola, which is the natural consequence of removing Robins, and I assume those who wanted him out are cool with it.
chiefdave
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There's already people making excuses for next season, let alone this one! Heard people saying how hard the championship will be next season with Prem clubs being relegated and that is unrealistic to assume a new manager will be pushing for promotion next year, its crazy.
Of course it does, and I agree our xG stats suggest there are better performances likely ahead. But there is no guarantee of it coming to pass and the first 15 games have put us at a huge disadvantage.
A one-point gap is much easier to close than an 8-point one, and whether that’s for a team ahead of us in the playoff race, or a team behind us looking to drag us into the relegation zone, atm that would sadly seem the more likely scenario than us making the playoffs, whoever was managing us.
FergieTheFinisher
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I think it is quite a stretch to say Robins has made playoffs before therefore the new guy must do better than that in his first part season.
As the saying goes “Past performance is not indicative of future results” and this is never truer than in football. Who knows whether Robins would have turned this around or whether the wheels were coming off.
To my mind we are currently 9-13 points away from playoff spots. If we were to finish the season 9-13 points below playoff spots then the new guy will have demonstrated playoff form. Ie. We would be performing as well as the playoff teams. Anything better than that would be nearer auto form.
I worry an unfair judgement will be made on whether we do or do not make playoffs. The need for bedding in of new coaches and styles may take several games at minimum.
As the saying goes “Past performance is not indicative of future results” and this is never truer than in football. Who knows whether Robins would have turned this around or whether the wheels were coming off.
To my mind we are currently 9-13 points away from playoff spots. If we were to finish the season 9-13 points below playoff spots then the new guy will have demonstrated playoff form. Ie. We would be performing as well as the playoff teams. Anything better than that would be nearer auto form.
I worry an unfair judgement will be made on whether we do or do not make playoffs. The need for bedding in of new coaches and styles may take several games at minimum.
The watchmaker
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Having had the same manager for 7 years we are talking about sacking Lampard before he has been appointed.
A better bet would be to not appoint him in the first place.Having had the same manager for 7 years we are talking about sacking Lampard before he has been appointed.