Yes I was there...& you are right it COULD have...but it wasn't - there was trouble abroad with many of our clubs too...but always seems to be Liverpool fans where it goes really OTT, but it's never been their fault!
I could rightly and very easily argue Bazza that both tragedies occurred through the authorities choice of Venue ,that decrepit one in Belgium was never fit to stage such a game ,while the Leppings lane end was never adequate to cope with !5000,whoever issued either with Safety certificates are culpable and should have been prosecuted for manslaughter of Innocent people.
THAT is one of the main reasons why I revel in Liverpool's demise & hope they never reach dizzy heights again! It's never their fault though. Even the poor innocents that died at Hillsborough...I wonder if any of those that went to the pub & arrived late, then chose to push & shove their way in with total disregard (no intent...just disregard) for anyone else, has actually stopped to think about their actions? And I know that some copper(s) made bad decisions on the day at that time (& others some VERY bad ones afterwards)...but surely if you leave the windows open - you have to look at yourself if all your stuff gets pinched?
no we wernt we were bottom half for most of it and finished 10th again.The following season we were a top 4 team for most of the season. We were a good side with good players.
we finished 10th that seasonfinished 7th that season spurs were 3rd not a major upset !
Absolutely shocking post. 96 innocent people lost their lives, including quite a lot of kids and you're implying that they brought it on themselves. The evidence that has taken years to come out because of a massive cover up which included Thatcher and her government, 2 police forces, Ambulance service and others has proven that Liverpool fans were not culpable for what happened and what those families have been through shames our country.
Oh no now the bbc and itv hate us
Indeed a massive cover up but in terms of the impeccable behaviour of Liverpool fans on the day and them being not a factor at all....maybe worth speaking to forest fans who were there
Absolutely shocking post. 96 innocent people lost their lives, including quite a lot of kids and you're implying that they brought it on themselves. The evidence that has taken years to come out because of a massive cover up which included Thatcher and her government, 2 police forces, Ambulance service and others has proven that Liverpool fans were not culpable for what happened and what those families have been through shames our country.
Delboy was correct - absolutely shocking post. Also a pretty repugnant post.
It just shows the influence the mass media (I.e. The Sun) has that it has been shown to be a pack of lies, with the culpability for the disaster lying at the door of the authorities, but some people still believe it was all the Liverpool fans fault!!
THAT is one of the main reasons why I revel in Liverpool's demise & hope they never reach dizzy heights again! It's never their fault though. Even the poor innocents that died at Hillsborough...I wonder if any of those that went to the pub & arrived late, then chose to push & shove their way in with total disregard (no intent...just disregard) for anyone else, has actually stopped to think about their actions? And I know that some copper(s) made bad decisions on the day at that time (& others some VERY bad ones afterwards)...but surely if you leave the windows open - you have to look at yourself if all your stuff gets pinched?
Can't believe this post. You should be ashamed of yourself!
Shocking response more like.
No, I am not suggesting that at all. Read it again.
I don't think 87 was really considered that much of an upset by the media.
They name checked Keith Houchen when talking about Ben Watson.Well done Wigan today. Well deserved win! But ITV should be sued for never once mentioning COVENTRY CITY in their constant references to cup final upsets. Bloody 'Crazy Gang' of 88 were mentioned about a hundred times! One mention of Keith Houchen in the last few minutes of their coverage - not good enough!
Read it again and I think it's still a shocking post. You seem to have more compassion and sympathy for the Chief Inspector of the West Yorkshire Police than the victims and their families"He'll have to live with it forever"
A man who along with his colleagues was only interested in covering his sorry back and having the finger of blame put on to the innocent...Long covered up evidence has subsequently proved they were not responsible so get over it.
Delboy was correct - absolutely shocking post. Also a pretty repugnant post.
It just shows the influence the mass media (I.e. The Sun) has that it has been shown to be a pack of lies, with the culpability for the disaster lying at the door of the authorities, but some people still believe it was all the Liverpool fans fault!!
My old boss was a Forest fan and was at the game. He maintained that although the cover up over mistakes made by the authorities and the comments made my a certain Red top rag were disgraceful, there's no smoke without fire and the usual antics of football fans and especially Liverpool ones "back in the day" are worthy of comment instead of assuming those at the back were as innocent as those at the front.
Back to the topic, did anyone else think that Man City (like England in 2010) were playing to loose, to force a change in manager...? Where have we seen that before....
That's where we differ then - you are posting emotionally, I am doing it objectively. Nobody involved actually got out of bed thinking "I'm going to go kill some football fans today".
In terms of compassion I have probably as much compassion for the victims, their relatives, witnesses, those trying desperately to help the victims (a couple of friends of mine included) as I imagine you have. It's just that I also have some (& therefore possibly more compassion than you in total!) for the poor sod(s) forced into making the disastrous decisions they did! The cover-up afterwards was, & continues to be, despicable...but I also think it was in part an instinctive self-defence mechanism that spiralled - but very wrong.
Putting it like that I can see where you're coming from Bazza. I just think it was a tradgedy waiting to happen and I recall saying to my mate at the QF that someone could get killed that day with the sardine like crush...there were city fans having had a lot to drink that day and those that may have been pushing...if the disaster had happened 2 years earlier and thank God it didn't, how would you feel about people saying we'd brought it on ourselves in effect?
I'd feel as terrible as I do with it actually being Liverpool...& still look at it as objectively as I possibly could. I was in the Kop that day with my g/fr & sister & her b/fr. We stood away from what was obviously a crush in the middle. Thankfully there was no incident (at least that I recall hearing of).
finished 7th that season spurs were 3rd not a major upset !
I don't think 87 was really considered that much of an upset by the media. Our 87 squad was one of the best teams in the football league that year plus 10th in the first division. Yes we had a much tighter budget than spurs etc. But we'd also beaten man u on the way to wembley. Coventry city have a stronger history and are a bigger club than people think. Just cos our current owners are a total embarressment.
Mitchell Thomas was the only spurs player not to have a international cap.We were 10th that season and it was a major upset, although not as much as Wimbledon and Wigan's wins were. And no, we were not man-for-man as good as Spurs: they had a side packed with big-money internationals, we had a side of lower league gems mostly spotted by Bobby Gould and home-produced talent. The spectacle of Hoddle being utterly shackled by Lloyd McGrath summing things up nicely
It's even better when it hanging in your lounge signed but houchen
It's even better when it hanging in your lounge signed but houchen
bought my mrs as a present.
Absolutely shocking post. 96 innocent people lost their lives, including quite a lot of kids and you're implying that they brought it on themselves. The evidence that has taken years to come out because of a massive cover up which included Thatcher and her government, 2 police forces, Ambulance service and others has proven that Liverpool fans were not culpable for what happened and what those families have been through shames our country.
We were 10th that season and it was a major upset, although not as much as Wimbledon and Wigan's wins were. And no, we were not man-for-man as good as Spurs: they had a side packed with big-money internationals, we had a side of lower league gems mostly spotted by Bobby Gould and home-produced talent. The spectacle of Hoddle being utterly shackled by Lloyd McGrath summing things up nicely
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