Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Dont forget to edit the post where you called grendel a c**t.
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bigfatronssba
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Any idea on numbers sold?
6,500 sold in advance, they are now going to open 10 cash turnstiles tomorrow.
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Paxman II
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Wow. Just read through all the post and I have to say there are views on both sides which I fully appreciate and understand. However It's also clear that you can't impose your views on others. Everyone has a right to have an opinion and the likelihood is that opinions will differ with good reason.
Just like to say though that many of these so called opinions have a lot of assumptions attached to them without any evidence to the contrary being offered. For example just one: The fact SISU have made clear that for the 3 years (contingency plan 5 years) away they will be willing to fund the losses in order to have a place to full fill the fixtures, which in turn conforms to the FL requirements. I think we must all accept that as the football league have. I know it's SISU and all that but it's a massive call by them and not one taken lightly as they know this means injections of cash without earnings. They are not expecting vast amount of support to travel 70 miles round trip.
It's sad they have resorted to this but goes without saying that ACL/Council are as much to blame as anyone one. With little choice and in need of a stadium to full fill fixtures or risk being expelled from the league the choice was made for them. The stand off by both sides caused this inevitable route to be taken.
SISU or shall we now use Otium, are the owners of our football club like it or not. You simply can't rear up and demand change for because you don't like them or boycott them in the hope it will encourage them to go. I see no exit strategy for SISU to go at present and they need to create one where at some point down the line they can exit with some or maybe even all their investment back. Regardless of all their mistakes and boy there have been some whoopers, they have to try and achieve that. That means they have to keep our football club alive and kicking.
I will sincerely hope some sort of arrangement will eventually surface over the Ricoh as I'm sure nobody wants us playing at Sixfields any longer than is necessary.
But while we are there, my team Coventry City Football Club with it's 130 year history IS playing there on a temporary basis. I will try and go watch them when I can in the same manner as I have done at Highfield Rd and the Ricoh. It's not a SISU 11, it's in fact much of the same team we had last season and the season before that.
Staying away is made easier because many won't spend the money and time to do it. Some in the belief it is 'starving' SISU which is clearly not the case. Our 'protest' should be directed at the clubs owners and ACL and council in equal measure and the way to do that and show what your football club means to you is not boycott but support the team, protest at the grounds (Home and away) to get recognition of the plight we fans face.
Certainly the mindless few that resort to vile tactics and abuse are not welcome and hide perhaps other agenda or simple rally to any cause that gives reason to behave such a way. True fans as we all are should be supporting our club through thick and thin and hope they are still alive and kicking in a few months time.
Do I think SISU have tried to cause the demise of ACL and get some hold on the stadium? Yes absolutely. Do I believe since that became evident ACL/Council dug their heels in and simply closed their minds to the football club? Yes absolutely.
If we 'target' only one of these protagonist we are simply ignoring the others bad behaviour.
We will all be listening to the radio, checking the scores and writing post on here about the football even those of you who wish them to be starved or let our football club disappear and have a phoenix club. If you support them away then you clearly love your team. Well half the games are at one ground where they will have to play this season. So do you love them and hate them?
Come on guys it's football, put aside your politics, your hate, your differences and above all a lot of assumptions because we still don't know the full story to this drama. The team do need your support. We need to win matches.
Lets hope that the powers that be will eventually come to an arrangement that will see us return to a purpose built stadium built with the football club in mind and soon.
PUSB
Just like to say though that many of these so called opinions have a lot of assumptions attached to them without any evidence to the contrary being offered. For example just one: The fact SISU have made clear that for the 3 years (contingency plan 5 years) away they will be willing to fund the losses in order to have a place to full fill the fixtures, which in turn conforms to the FL requirements. I think we must all accept that as the football league have. I know it's SISU and all that but it's a massive call by them and not one taken lightly as they know this means injections of cash without earnings. They are not expecting vast amount of support to travel 70 miles round trip.
It's sad they have resorted to this but goes without saying that ACL/Council are as much to blame as anyone one. With little choice and in need of a stadium to full fill fixtures or risk being expelled from the league the choice was made for them. The stand off by both sides caused this inevitable route to be taken.
SISU or shall we now use Otium, are the owners of our football club like it or not. You simply can't rear up and demand change for because you don't like them or boycott them in the hope it will encourage them to go. I see no exit strategy for SISU to go at present and they need to create one where at some point down the line they can exit with some or maybe even all their investment back. Regardless of all their mistakes and boy there have been some whoopers, they have to try and achieve that. That means they have to keep our football club alive and kicking.
I will sincerely hope some sort of arrangement will eventually surface over the Ricoh as I'm sure nobody wants us playing at Sixfields any longer than is necessary.
But while we are there, my team Coventry City Football Club with it's 130 year history IS playing there on a temporary basis. I will try and go watch them when I can in the same manner as I have done at Highfield Rd and the Ricoh. It's not a SISU 11, it's in fact much of the same team we had last season and the season before that.
Staying away is made easier because many won't spend the money and time to do it. Some in the belief it is 'starving' SISU which is clearly not the case. Our 'protest' should be directed at the clubs owners and ACL and council in equal measure and the way to do that and show what your football club means to you is not boycott but support the team, protest at the grounds (Home and away) to get recognition of the plight we fans face.
Certainly the mindless few that resort to vile tactics and abuse are not welcome and hide perhaps other agenda or simple rally to any cause that gives reason to behave such a way. True fans as we all are should be supporting our club through thick and thin and hope they are still alive and kicking in a few months time.
Do I think SISU have tried to cause the demise of ACL and get some hold on the stadium? Yes absolutely. Do I believe since that became evident ACL/Council dug their heels in and simply closed their minds to the football club? Yes absolutely.
If we 'target' only one of these protagonist we are simply ignoring the others bad behaviour.
We will all be listening to the radio, checking the scores and writing post on here about the football even those of you who wish them to be starved or let our football club disappear and have a phoenix club. If you support them away then you clearly love your team. Well half the games are at one ground where they will have to play this season. So do you love them and hate them?
Come on guys it's football, put aside your politics, your hate, your differences and above all a lot of assumptions because we still don't know the full story to this drama. The team do need your support. We need to win matches.
Lets hope that the powers that be will eventually come to an arrangement that will see us return to a purpose built stadium built with the football club in mind and soon.
PUSB
Voice_of_Reason
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Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and views and it is plain to see that you are in favour of SISU, albeit in mirrored sort of way. I am however concerned that blame is attached to ACL ? ACL HAS to run at a profit, it is not a charity. ACL made an amazing generous offer to reduce the rental to £150,000 p a meaning it would make it cheaper for SISU than playing at Sixfields. This was declined. I agree with you that negotiations should have taken place earlier between all parties, but I would refer you to the Judge's comments that SISU deliberatly attempted to weaken ACL's negotiating position. I won't argue with your opinion as your opinion is your right to do so. Cheers
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Mr Fisher told us last summer that SISU had guaranteed funding for the next three years.
A few months later he warned us that the club was almost certainly going to go into liquidation.
Time flys...........
A few months later he warned us that the club was almost certainly going to go into liquidation.
Time flys...........
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Deleted member 5849
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Hence the funamental problem in splitting club from ground full-stop.
It can lead to a scenario where nobody is to blame, but nobody can find a solution even if the will is there to do so.
lordsummerisle
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I thought that half of it was?
WillieStanley
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Careful... the Sky Sports cameras will be there and your face will be printed on the front page of The Sun along with your address, DOB and NI number... Not so clever now, are we??!!
Flogging a dead horse I'm afraid VOR. The usual mantra "SISU and ACL are equally to blame " is wearing a bit thin . Apart from giving the stadium to SISU there is nothing ACL could do to satisfy Joy andTim so I wish they would flesh out their reasoning a bit . I know sometimes there could be a case for the greater good to go along with threats and blackmail but to post what your doing afterwards seems odd .
Paxman II
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VOR:
£150k was not offered to Otium or for that matter SISU. This is what I mean by assumptions.
It was made to the Administrator I believe and contained other conditions that were unacceptable. One of which was to tie the club to a contract for 10 years at that rental with incremental increases dependent of which league we were in and with other conditions that did not include revenue sharing etc etc.
I'm no way on SISU's side at all? I'm on no ones side other than trying to see a course which would secure my football club from going under and lost forever. I do not want that to happen and have the indignity of watching us start a new Phoenix club starting at the very bottom of the structure. I think some are thinking far too deep.
£150k was not offered to Otium or for that matter SISU. This is what I mean by assumptions.
It was made to the Administrator I believe and contained other conditions that were unacceptable. One of which was to tie the club to a contract for 10 years at that rental with incremental increases dependent of which league we were in and with other conditions that did not include revenue sharing etc etc.
I'm no way on SISU's side at all? I'm on no ones side other than trying to see a course which would secure my football club from going under and lost forever. I do not want that to happen and have the indignity of watching us start a new Phoenix club starting at the very bottom of the structure. I think some are thinking far too deep.
torchomatic
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Jack Griffin
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Paxman's original post completely ignores the appalling position the Higgs charity have been placed in.
Remember they 'saved' the club in 2003 by buying up the clubs' half share of the stadium project for £4M cash & writing off a £2.5M loan they'd made to the football club.
Their recent reward from the current owners to be lumbered with a large lawyers bill after negotiating a sale price of their interest in the stadium with SISU, SISU had agreed to pay theses costs but they refused to pay, leaving the charity with another £40K bill & walked away from the deal.
Frankly I don't think they should ever have gone anywhere near the club in the way they did, but I'm clear in my own mind that they need disentangling from the issue above all else.
Remember they 'saved' the club in 2003 by buying up the clubs' half share of the stadium project for £4M cash & writing off a £2.5M loan they'd made to the football club.
Their recent reward from the current owners to be lumbered with a large lawyers bill after negotiating a sale price of their interest in the stadium with SISU, SISU had agreed to pay theses costs but they refused to pay, leaving the charity with another £40K bill & walked away from the deal.
Frankly I don't think they should ever have gone anywhere near the club in the way they did, but I'm clear in my own mind that they need disentangling from the issue above all else.
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SkyBlue Baker96
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Who the hell are you to judge someone's decision to follow the team to Northampton, WE ARE ALL COVENTRY CITY FANS regardless of this situation, this is a prime example of when we should show EVERYONE in the country how loyal and great the fans of coventry city are. None of this nonsense because it's ridiculous it really is.. majority of you are fully grown adults yet you act like little kids about it, everyone has their own choices and even if you don't agree with it you are not in the right to have a jab at them for following the TEAM not sisu , i hate Sisu as much as anyone else and i want them gone + i've done my fair share of protesting etc. but even so no way should you be so spiteful and disrespectful of someone's choice to follow their club no matter what the situation
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italiahorse
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With rent that low who needs the food and beverage.
10 years good behaviour and the Ricoh would be SISU's.
Whats Sisu's 10 year plan as discussed by Fisher? F&B would be up for discussion about then as well.
Voice_of_Reason
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It was a 10 year "rolling" contract too.. remember as well that catering is contracted (via IEW Ltd) to Compass.
SkyBlueSwiss
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Oh dear - another bloody Superfan, except this one thinks he's funny.
Go away and sit down with Grendel will you Mr Superfan whogoestoeverygameandissuperiortothosewholiveabroadandcan'tgettogamesandthereforearenotrealfansatallandshouldnotexpress opinionslikeusrealfanslikemeandGrendel.
No wonder I rarely come on here any more with Superfans like you and Grendel around. Arrogant ..............................
Grendel
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DoeseveyonespeaklikethatinSwitzelandorjustcantacarousoldgitslikeyou?
The Reverend Skyblue
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good god this thread is going the same way every thread on this site has gone for the last 6 weeks.Can't we have a break for all our sake and just stop trying to score points off each other
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Mr Creosote
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I wouldn't even mention Grendel, he doesn't even support the club, just a SISU puppet who will disappear when they do.
italiahorse
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Just 3 things out if many that I would question in the post
1. Rear up & demand change is exactly what fans have the right to Do , if thy don't like the current regime , and the way the club is being run... An as you started your thread by saying, people have the right to do what they see fit
2. I don't buy into this " now isn't the time for SISU to sell rubbish .. The club are already heavily in debt, and SISU have already pumped in maybe 20million ( forget the reported 70 million, which is made up largely of management fees, I'm talking hard cash injected ) if they covered losses for the next 3-5 years while we are at Northampton , just on a cheap team that MIGHT keep us in league 1, then they are looking at maybe 2-3million a year make up.. So over say an average of 4 years that's another 10million
Thats 30 million in hard cash , and we still don't have a stadium or any assets .. So ok let's pretend that we believe they plan to build the stadium and add value that way. Even if try build a cheap stadium, for 30 million thy quoted, which it won't be as it will in over as things always.. But ok that's another 30 million thrown in ( via a mixture of Capitol and equity loans - which still have be repaid ) so that's 60 million they need just to recoup .. And we are still in league 1... Hopefully!! ... Unless they invested in the team, in which case the cash injections go up
Who's going to pay them 60 million for a league 1 club with a smallish basic stadium ?? They would be lucky I get 30million for us IF we were in the championship!!!! So let's be kind/ hopeful and Pretend everything goes well over the next 5 years, they build the stadium on cost, they sit invest in the team, AND we still get promoted! And they find a buyer for us , a they got their 30 millin.. They'd still be out if pocket more than if they just give the club away free now.
There is no way for them to make money from us short term or long term
3. Why is fans view of "starving the club out" clearly not going to work ?? We haven't even had the first 'home' game of the season yet.. So how can you claim this is clearly not going to work?
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Grendel
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That's very strange. Find one post I have ever made when I state SISU are good for the club. That said many will be gone if the Council and ACL fail.
Seyeclops666
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What a load of absolute bollocks - but then we expect that from you. It is ridiculous to apportion the blame 50/50 - CCC/ACL may have made mistakes but this does not compare to the utter, total failure/lies/bullshit/underhand business practices we have experienced from Shitsu.
I do deplore threats and intimidation against people who go to Sixfields but it is my right to say that I think that by supporting SISU those very people are prolonging and exacerbating the damage to our club and our City. In my opinion they are small minded, selfish idiots. Don't give us the "real fans support the boys" bullshit or I am going for the kids - most of the loyal regular city fans are distraught they won't be watching the team but they understand the need to stand strong and force these wankers out of our club once and forever.
Go if you want to - it is after all a free world - but in my mind you are part of the problem not the solution.
Paxman II
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seyeclops666: As always you have not read the post well because you clearly have an entrenched point of view. You are even saying things I did not say. But then we expect that from you. 
Name me the underhand business practices you know of as fact from SISU?
You see I try to explain we don't know so how can minds be made up? You and others tbf simply go on saying it enough that it must be true?
I don't apportion blame in equal measure, I say they are both to blame and they are from what we all know. I don't support SISU and I don't support ACL. We have to move forward with the cards we are dealt.
I have not heard anyone attempt to offer a solution on here only hate filled criticism of anyone in earshot. If you can accept the fact SISU are here to stay for the moment then what can be achieved to bring about a solution and see our football club back at the Ricoh?
Draw a line in the sand and have a new starting point...so what are your suggestions based on what we must accept at the moment.
If you say SISU out is the only answer I swear I'll scream loud enough you will hear me from 60 miles away!
Name me the underhand business practices you know of as fact from SISU?
You see I try to explain we don't know so how can minds be made up? You and others tbf simply go on saying it enough that it must be true?
I don't apportion blame in equal measure, I say they are both to blame and they are from what we all know. I don't support SISU and I don't support ACL. We have to move forward with the cards we are dealt.
I have not heard anyone attempt to offer a solution on here only hate filled criticism of anyone in earshot. If you can accept the fact SISU are here to stay for the moment then what can be achieved to bring about a solution and see our football club back at the Ricoh?
Draw a line in the sand and have a new starting point...so what are your suggestions based on what we must accept at the moment.
If you say SISU out is the only answer I swear I'll scream loud enough you will hear me from 60 miles away!
ohitsaidwalker king power
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PaxmanII respectfully.
This constant even keel of yours whereby you fail to commit is a tad cowardly "I don't apportion blame in equal measure, I say they are both to blame " is that statement not hypocritical in itself?
The facts are that since SISU tenure the football club is in a worse position now than then- in every aspect- without exception.
To paraphrase Rafa Benitez- Fact!
I accept as in every argument there are always two sides to the story, however this isn't playground shenanigans, this is peoples livelihoods(e.g business's around the Ricoh) and for us the fans our passion. The stakes are high. SISU undoubtedly carry the lions share of the blame-supported by the data above.
As citizens of the UK it is our democratic right to protest against something we perceive as being unjust and against "fair" play- in an earlier thread you suggested that we had no right to protest simply because we didn't like the regime- how bizarre for a democratic living citizen? Most are choosing to do that in boycotting the regime at the risk of extinguishing the thing they adore the most, because the thing we love the most is being asphyxiated by the regime which runs it- Sadly they aren't mutually exclusive and so for most we HAVE to make a choice- fence sitting isn't an option.
SISU out--- Scream away.
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This constant even keel of yours whereby you fail to commit is a tad cowardly "I don't apportion blame in equal measure, I say they are both to blame " is that statement not hypocritical in itself?
The facts are that since SISU tenure the football club is in a worse position now than then- in every aspect- without exception.
To paraphrase Rafa Benitez- Fact!
I accept as in every argument there are always two sides to the story, however this isn't playground shenanigans, this is peoples livelihoods(e.g business's around the Ricoh) and for us the fans our passion. The stakes are high. SISU undoubtedly carry the lions share of the blame-supported by the data above.
As citizens of the UK it is our democratic right to protest against something we perceive as being unjust and against "fair" play- in an earlier thread you suggested that we had no right to protest simply because we didn't like the regime- how bizarre for a democratic living citizen? Most are choosing to do that in boycotting the regime at the risk of extinguishing the thing they adore the most, because the thing we love the most is being asphyxiated by the regime which runs it- Sadly they aren't mutually exclusive and so for most we HAVE to make a choice- fence sitting isn't an option.
SISU out--- Scream away.
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