Cavan O'Doherty
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Do these clubs have Tim Fisher and Joy Seppala in charge?
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covcity4life
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Thats my thibking too. And alot of others i know. We are gonna see another decline. 2k off gates minimum i think
Cavan O'Doherty
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Probably only 5k next season at most. Sad to see
dongonzalos
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If we had Hill and Dave running the club that would be an absolute farce!!!
I am not backing that, you back something as stupid as that, next thing you know you will get Coventry City Football Club in division 4 heading out of the football league!!!!!!
I am been serious, no exaggeration, that could happen without people who know what they are doing running the club.
Nope, not for me let's stick with SISU......
robbiekeane
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No. Tim Fisher and Joy Seppalla are not fit to run a football club. They are the problem - not the principle of running a sustainable business model.
Why what's your point?
Cavan O'Doherty
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I've said my point. It takes some form of investment at some stage. You'd find it very hard to find a club that hasn't had any investment that is successful. It still wouldn't be ideal to be fan owned, but it can't be as bad as having these clowns in charge
hill83
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robbiekeane
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No, why did you ask about Tim and Joy when I gave you examples of teams not running at a loss? What was your point then I don't get it?
Cavan O'Doherty
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Do those teams invest in players. Yes of course they do. They don't just rely on season ticket money and scrape the barrel to get the cheapest possible players. You know for well that football is all about money. You can't say that the break even model works in football when very few teams employ it, and when they do (the prime example being us), it doesn't work
Ccfc1979
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As has been said, break even can be fine when you are busting every sinew to drive up income. But when you literally couldn't give a toss and rely on good will from the core morons - of which I am one - then it is crap. There is NO marketing, initiatives or attempt to retain custom... never mind motivate new customers.
robbiekeane
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Agreed
skyblue025
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Thing is we aren't running to break even, we are running to make profit. If we made a million pound profit why didn't the budget go up this year instead of being cut again? If Mowbray had that million we might of got one of those 5 centre half' s we missed out on. We could of bought 2 players for 250k and paid them 5k a week. Same with everything you have to build. If you don't you're only going 1 way and it's down.
Fan ownership isn't impossible. If the 40k going to Wembley put in £100 each that's 4 million. I know not everyone is minted and could afford £100 but £100 is achievable with a bit of saving for almost everyone. It might be enough to get rid of the parasites. Once they had gone crowds would increase, I believe the council would come back on side to a certain level and our landlords would see sense that some income is better than no income and enter talks again. Currently we are only going 1 way and its out of existence.
Fan ownership isn't impossible. If the 40k going to Wembley put in £100 each that's 4 million. I know not everyone is minted and could afford £100 but £100 is achievable with a bit of saving for almost everyone. It might be enough to get rid of the parasites. Once they had gone crowds would increase, I believe the council would come back on side to a certain level and our landlords would see sense that some income is better than no income and enter talks again. Currently we are only going 1 way and its out of existence.
robbiekeane
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But then what? I certainly wouldn't be putting my hand in my picket to throw more money at the club. Would you?
A lot of people on here will only be happy when someone is throwing millions and millions at the club each year, with no return.
covcity4life
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I dont agree
I think fans will be happy when owners are not just complete abs utter soul sucking dickwads
I think fans will be happy when owners are not just complete abs utter soul sucking dickwads
Houchens Head
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Not yet!
C of E ?
Houchens Head
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Correct! Unless fan based ownership brought on board someone very, very wealthy, not too many people continuing to throw money at it like a bottomless pit!!!!!!!!!!
skybluebeduff
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Jimmy Hill's Chin
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I wouldn't trust Seppala and Fisher to run a whelk stall.
robbiekeane
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Didn't i just show you 10 premier league teams who made a profit that year?
They spend the money on the team because they make the money. Thats what sisu are shit at...making the money.
chiefdave
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What can they do? Their Trust own a minority share in the club. The takeover was funded by selling a chunk of land next to the ground to a property developer and a seven figure loan was required from the local council to buy the ground.
Despite all that they clearly stated at the meeting our trust held that fan ownership doesn't work above L1 level.
Evo1883
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Although fan ownership isn't the long term answer for us , a few things would initially happen that benefit us .
The relationship with supporters and the club would and should improve , more fans through the gate , maybe not as many as people think but certainly more .
More money on the pitch as a result , the relationship between the owners and fans is so low that their model will never see us progress partly due to that one big problem .
A football club needs support from its fans and the local community , SISU will never have that going forward now
The relationship with supporters and the club would and should improve , more fans through the gate , maybe not as many as people think but certainly more .
More money on the pitch as a result , the relationship between the owners and fans is so low that their model will never see us progress partly due to that one big problem .
A football club needs support from its fans and the local community , SISU will never have that going forward now
clint van damme
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not strictly true.
You're never going to get to the upper reaches of the championship without investment.
But I'd be happy with the club being run break even if we were constantly trying to improve and reconnecting with the community, the current break even and disregard everything else is what pisses me off.
clint van damme
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totally disagree Hill.It can, and has been, done successfully, although under such a model we're never going to get back to the premiership.
However, does anyone think we're going to get back there under sisu?
Think Irish Skyblue sums it up quite well in post 7.
Irish Sky Blue
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Fair enough, I would agree with all of that. Hopefully our day will come again!
I was only in Cork City once, a long time ago, early 70s. i remember it as a nice city, huge square in the centre of the town. Very colourful houses. I would like to visit again once I have fully retired. I would also like to visit Michael Collins house which I know is in Co Cork. Despite being from Cork Collins said that his favourite county was Wicklow which further endears him to me!
Irish Sky Blue
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I think you would need to ask Portsmouth fans if they are happy with their current situation or not. I think most would say that they are. At the moment we are so far away from competing above the third division that it doesn't make much difference where the ceiling is. I think the crucial question is; is fan ownership better than Sisu's ownership. Most, if not all fans would agree that it is. Once Sisu are off the scene all sorts of possibilities should open up. Fan ownership doesn't have to be for ever. If it was necessary for new owners to come in to take the club up the leagues, why couldn't that happen. At least fans would have the chance to put structures in place to make sure we never get another Sisu.
shmmeee
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No reason why non-majority shares in the club couldn't be sold. We essentially have no wealthy owner at the moment anyway as Joy's purse strings are well and truly shut.
At least a fan owned club might be able to get some local business support in that people with no connection to the city can't.
clint van damme
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A couple of fan owned failures for the doubters:
no doubt that a fan owned Sky blues wouldn't reach those dizzy heights but it could definitely vastly improve on the current mess.
Cavan O'Doherty
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Surely the likes of Callum Wilson to Bournemouth and Andre Gray to Burnley were not entirely funded by season ticket money etc as Bournemouth only have a capacity of 10,000 but where partly funded out of the owners back pockets. It can work when you have the fan base of Liverpool, but not when you're down where we are.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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Hi Irish Sky Blue , my family are from Bray , Co Wicklow . :happy:
Your right our fan base is to devided.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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United we stand divided we fall !! :jawdrop: