Cavan O'Doherty
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Do these clubs have Tim Fisher and Joy Seppala in charge?
Do these clubs have Tim Fisher and Joy Seppala in charge?Here are profitable premier league clubs 2014/2015 as an example
I'm certainly not going next season
Probably only 5k next season at most. Sad to seeThats my thibking too. And alot of others i know. We are gonna see another decline. 2k off gates minimum i think
As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.
Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.
No. Tim Fisher and Joy Seppalla are not fit to run a football club. They are the problem - not the principle of running a sustainable business model.Do these clubs have Tim Fisher and Joy Seppala in charge?
I've said my point. It takes some form of investment at some stage. You'd find it very hard to find a club that hasn't had any investment that is successful. It still wouldn't be ideal to be fan owned, but it can't be as bad as having these clowns in chargeNo. Tim Fisher and Joy Seppalla are not fit to run a football club. They are the problem - not the principle of running a sustainable business model.
Why what's your point?
let's stick with SISU......
No, why did you ask about Tim and Joy when I gave you examples of teams not running at a loss? What was your point then I don't get it?I've said my point. It takes some form of investment at some stage. You'd find it very hard to find a club that hasn't had any investment that is successful. It still wouldn't be ideal to be fan owned, but it can't be as bad as having these clowns in charge
Do those teams invest in players. Yes of course they do. They don't just rely on season ticket money and scrape the barrel to get the cheapest possible players. You know for well that football is all about money. You can't say that the break even model works in football when very few teams employ it, and when they do (the prime example being us), it doesn't workNo, why did you ask about Tim and Joy when I gave you examples of teams not running at a loss? What was your point then I don't get it?
AgreedAs has been said, break even can be fine when you are busting every sinew to drive up income. But when you literally couldn't give a toss and rely on good will from the core morons - of which I am one - then it is crap. There is NO marketing, initiatives or attempt to retain custom... never mind motivate new customers.
But then what? I certainly wouldn't be putting my hand in my picket to throw more money at the club. Would you?Thing is we aren't running to break even, we are running to make profit. If we made a million pound profit why didn't the budget go up this year instead of being cut again? If Mowbray had that million we might of got one of those 5 centre half' s we missed out on. We could of bought 2 players for 250k and paid them 5k a week. Same with everything you have to build. If you don't you're only going 1 way and it's down.
Fan ownership isn't impossible. If the 40k going to Wembley put in £100 each that's 4 million. I know not everyone is minted and could afford £100 but £100 is achievable with a bit of saving for almost everyone. It might be enough to get rid of the parasites. Once they had gone crowds would increase, I believe the council would come back on side to a certain level and our landlords would see sense that some income is better than no income and enter talks again. Currently we are only going 1 way and its out of existence.
Not yet!So are we!
C of E ?CONFIRMED
"Proud to be Irish"What is the translation of your Gaelic tag by the way? Where were your family from? Mine were from Wicklow.
It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.
3 weeks away???Correct! Unless fan based ownership brought on board someone very, very wealthy, not too many people continuing to throw money at it like a bottomless pit!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't trust Seppala and Fisher to run a whelk stall.No. Tim Fisher and Joy Seppalla are not fit to run a football club. They are the problem - not the principle of running a sustainable business model.
Why what's your point?
Didn't i just show you 10 premier league teams who made a profit that year?Do those teams invest in players. Yes of course they do. They don't just rely on season ticket money and scrape the barrel to get the cheapest possible players. You know for well that football is all about money. You can't say that the break even model works in football when very few teams employ it, and when they do (the prime example being us), it doesn't work
What can they do? Their Trust own a minority share in the club. The takeover was funded by selling a chunk of land next to the ground to a property developer and a seven figure loan was required from the local council to buy the ground.If Portsmouth can do it, can't we?
Breaking even doesn't work in football. You need investment if you want to get anywhere.
As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.
Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.
"Proud to be Irish"
"Our day will come!"
All from the City of Cork.
What can they do? Their Trust own a minority share in the club. The takeover was funded by selling a chunk of land next to the ground to a property developer and a seven figure loan was required from the local council to buy the ground.
Despite all that they clearly stated at the meeting our trust held that fan ownership doesn't work above L1 level.
Correct! Unless fan based ownership brought on board someone very, very wealthy, not too many people continuing to throw money at it like a bottomless pit!!!!!!!!!!
A couple of fan owned failures for the doubters:
Surely the likes of Callum Wilson to Bournemouth and Andre Gray to Burnley were not entirely funded by season ticket money etc as Bournemouth only have a capacity of 10,000 but where partly funded out of the owners back pockets. It can work when you have the fan base of Liverpool, but not when you're down where we are.Didn't i just show you 10 premier league teams who made a profit that year?
They spend the money on the team because they make the money. Thats what sisu are shit at...making the money.
Hi Irish Sky Blue , my family are from Bray , Co Wicklow . :happy:Fair enough, I would agree with all of that. Hopefully our day will come again!
I was only in Cork City once, a long time ago, early 70s. i remember it as a nice city, huge square in the centre of the town. Very colourful houses. I would like to visit again once I have fully retired. I would also like to visit Michael Collins house which I know is in Co Cork. Despite being from Cork Collins said that his favourite county was Wicklow which further endears him to me!
Fair enough. I hope it would work. But at the moment as a group of fans we can't even decide on a protest, never mind running a club.
United we stand divided we fall !! :jawdrop:Your right our fan base is to devided.
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