And if so, when?
This much is clear:
- They will never get a return on their investment
- They will never get the Ricoh Arena
- They lost JR1
- They will lose JR2.
- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy
- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)
So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.
They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.
But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome
The 5-year non-league club comment could actually be about 12 months away the way it is going
Mine are from West Wicklow but I know Bray quite well and have walked up Bray Head and been along the sea front there a few times. We sort of adopted Bray Wanderers as our team in Ireland as they were the only League of Ireland club from Wicklow. Another ambition would be to see them play at some time. There is a Michael Collins connection there too as "Croke Park" in the Liam Neeson film was actually Bray Wanderers stadium. In typical Irish fashion they still have the stand along one side that was built for the film but it has no safety certificate so no one can go in it for games. ( That was a few years ago so may have changed). Do you get over there much?Hi Irish Sky Blue , my family are from Bray , Co Wicklow . :happy:
But then what? I certainly wouldn't be putting my hand in my picket to throw more money at the club. Would you?
A lot of people on here will only be happy when someone is throwing millions and millions at the club each year, with no return.
What consultancy fees do we pay?If it's fan owned we could still look to run at break even. With bigger crowds the revenue would increase. We wouldn't be paying "Consultancy fees" to an owner. I'm not saying we would storm up the league's but at least we would be rid of SISU and control our own destiny rather than slowly dying a death by a 1000 cuts.
A couple of fan owned failures for the doubters:
But you're not comparing like with like.There's no proof that a fan owned Club wouldn't work, but!.. We'd need a Stadium at least double the size of the Ricoh to make it work. (Bayern Munich 65k) and (Barcelona over 100k) Oh yes! and SISU to have fucked off too
Allegedly Fisher isn't being paid by the club. If the fans took over unless you're expecting Jan or Moz to run the club for free you'd be paying a 6 figure salary for a chief exec.We wouldn't be paying "Consultancy fees" to an owner.
Yes I.S.B. I try and get over to Bray as often as I can , my dad ( RIP ) born in Bray was the eldest of 11 brother's and sisters .Mine are from West Wicklow but I know Bray quite well and have walked up Bray Head and been along the sea front there a few times. We sort of adopted Bray Wanderers as our team in Ireland as they were the only League of Ireland club from Wicklow. Another ambition would be to see them play at some time. There is a Michael Collins connection there too as "Croke Park" in the Liam Neeson film was actually Bray Wanderers stadium. In typical Irish fashion they still have the stand along one side that was built for the film but it has no safety certificate so no one can go in it for games. ( That was a few years ago so may have changed). Do you get over there much?
Yes I.S.B. I try and get over to Bray as often as I can , my dad ( RIP ) born in Bray was the eldest of 11 brother's and sisters .
So as you can imagine that's a lot of Aunts , Uncle's and Cousins !
Dad moved to COV in 1938 , then aged 18 , looking for work, but then a year later the 2nd world war broke out .
To his credit he signed up and join the RAF ( Lancaster Bombers ) he could have just gone back to Bray !!!
Then while on active services his Lancaster Bomber ( on returning to Blighty ) was attacked by the LUFTWAFFE
and had to make an emergency landing , he survived but had a badly burnt leg .
Then after the war was over he got a job at the Standard Triumph motor company in Canley , Cov .
Then dad met mum in Cov and had thee boys, which makes me a VERY PROUD COV KID.
Then after 30 years while still working at the Standard Triumph he sadly passed away .
Yes I.S.B. I try and get over to Bray as often as I can , my dad ( RIP ) born in Bray was the eldest of 11 brother's and sisters .
So as you can imagine that's a lot of Aunts , Uncle's and Cousins !
Dad moved to COV in 1938 , then aged 18 , looking for work, but then a year later the 2nd world war broke out .
To his credit he signed up and join the RAF ( Lancaster Bombers ) he could have just gone back to Bray !!!
Then while on active services his Lancaster Bomber ( on returning to Blighty ) was attacked by the LUFTWAFFE
and had to make an emergency landing , he survived but had a badly burnt leg .
Then after the war was over he got a job at the Standard Triumph motor company in Canley , Cov .
Then dad met mum in Cov and had thee boys, which makes me a VERY PROUD COV KID.
Then after 30 years while still working at the Standard Triumph he sadly passed away .
As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.
Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.[/QUOTE
Ok, can understand your point of view.
However, if the fans owned the club do you think they would run it themselves, no they would find a "Fisher" type person to run it for them. The person running the club would have the job of finding these backers and selling the potential.
The fan ownership is only the start of the journey not the end, I cannot see any other option.
Even if the rumours were true and we had a buyer they would want fan involvement and I would imagine some sort of fan investment even if only 20% like Swansea.
We have to start somewhere the alternative is to continue this slow death.
Justifiably proud, CKNQ. Sounds like a good man, your old fella.
Fwiw I've seen Bray play, and against Coventry City too. A pre-season friendly the season after we'd been relegated. Lovely place, top pint of Porter if you're a drinking man. Which true to my paddy heritage, I am.
So considerably less than we paid last year according to.accounts in consultancy fees. I'm not saying it definitely is the answer but could It be worse than where we now and going. If the fans could stump up some money who's to say an investor wouldn't come in alongside. It's never going to happen though a the fan base is too divided and that is the real crime Seppala and her cronies have committed.Allegedly Fisher isn't being paid by the club. If the fans took over unless you're expecting Jan or Moz to run the club for free you'd be paying a 6 figure salary for a chief exec.
I never knew we had had a game against Bray.
Thanks for those kind words Duffer , had many a good time in Bray .Justifiably proud, CKNQ. Sounds like a good man, your old fella.
Fwiw I've seen Bray play, and against Coventry City too. A pre-season friendly the season after we'd been relegated. Lovely place, top pint of Porter if you're a drinking man. Which true to my paddy heritage, I am.
Thanks Irish Sky Blue , perhaps me you and Duffer could meet up in the Casino for a few beers before a home game as long as it not a mid week game , work the next morning ! I'll leave it up to you . PUSB .A great story. I can see you are rightly very proud of your dad. My dad was a labourer on the Poulaphouca dam in Blessinton. When the project finished in 1939 he moved with the construction company to England, no work in Ireland. My mum moved over soon after and they were married over here. He got a job as a miner at Binley Pit, a reserved occupation, as it came with a colliery house in the village. I am proud too to say my dad was a miner, ahard, hard job. Working down the pit wrecked his health. When the colliery closed he worked at GEC at Stoke. They both lived in Coventry for the rest of their lives. I love my Irish background but I love my Coventry roots too.
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