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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #71
Sell on clause is 15% I think? That's what I read a while back. It's easily bypassed though, Bournemouth could sell 2 players to the team interested and value a reserve player as 20m and Wilson as 1m. That way Bournemouth get all the money and technically there's nothing anyone can do
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #72
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Sell on clause is 15% I think? That's what I read a while back. It's easily bypassed though, Bournemouth could sell 2 players to the team interested and value a reserve player as 20m and Wilson as 1m. That way Bournemouth get all the money and technically there's nothing anyone can do
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Its 10% according to ashbyjan, who got it from Waggot apparently.


And lol at the rest of your post.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #73
Nick said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=callum+wilson+sell+on+clause
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Thanks. Clever that. You can tell you work in IT.


So going by the first article the clauses including a believed sell on clause are worth just over £750K some of which we would have already received from appearances, goals scored and promotion windfall clauses. Doesn't sound like we've got much of a windfall coming from any sell on clause especially if we've already received a six figure sum from the promotion clause. It's really not selling it to me as a good deal for the club. Someone please tell me that at least we didn't have to pay the wages or even a percentage for the loan's. That would really be talking the piss if we did.
 

BackRoomRummermill

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #74
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Sell on clause is 15% I think? That's what I read a while back. It's easily bypassed though, Bournemouth could sell 2 players to the team interested and value a reserve player as 20m and Wilson as 1m. That way Bournemouth get all the money and technically there's nothing anyone can do
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Are you sure ? The reason I say this normally the player gets around 10% of the transfer fee. Also can you say for sure that the above loop hole was not covered in the selling contract to Bournemouth for Wilson ? In effect this action by Bournemouth would be a tort and Coventry could easily claim against this.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #75
skybluetony176 said:
Thanks. Clever that. You can tell you work in IT.


So going by the first article the clauses including a believed sell on clause are worth just over £750K some of which we would have already received from appearances, goals scored and promotion windfall clauses. Doesn't sound like we've got much of a windfall coming from any sell on clause especially if we've already received a six figure sum from the promotion clause. It's really not selling it to me as a good deal for the club. Someone please tell me that at least we didn't have to pay the wages or even a percentage for the loan's. That would really be talking the piss if we did.
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Surely the sell on clause depends what he is sold for?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #76
BackRoomRummermill said:
Are you sure ? The reason I say this normally the player gets around 10% of the transfer fee. Also can you say for sure that the above loop hole was not covered in the selling contract to Bournemouth for Wilson ? In effect this action by Bournemouth would be a tort and Coventry could easily claim against this.
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Don't take no notice, its one of the most ludicrous things posted on here.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #77
Nick said:
Surely the sell on clause depends what he is sold for?
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I don't think he understands how a sell on clause works.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #78
Nick said:
Surely the sell on clause depends what he is sold for?
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I don't know. How I read it was that we got £2.25M upfront and the loan players and other clauses could see the fee rise to just over £3M including goals, appearances, promotion and a sell on clause. That doesn't sound like a percentage to me, that sounds like a fixed amount. Unless I've misunderstood the article. Of course the article also says believed to be, so it could be wrong either way.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #79
CCFC said:
I don't think he understands how a sell on clause works.
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I think you're assuming that all sell on clauses are based on a percentage and not a fixed amount. Click on Nicks link and read the first article. If you read that different to me fair enough but that's how it read to me.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #80
skybluetony176 said:
I don't know. How I read it was that we got £2.25M upfront and the loan players and other clauses could see the fee rise to just over £3M including goals, appearances, promotion and a sell on clause. That doesn't sound like a percentage to me, that sounds like a fixed amount. Unless I've misunderstood the article. Of course the article also says believed to be, so it could be wrong either way.
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Where's it say just over?

The 22-year-old Cov Kid left his home town club this week to sign for Bournemouth in a loaded deal understood to be £2.25million up front and worth more than £3m in all when taking into account add-ons subject to goals, appearances, promotion, a sell-on clause and the fact that City have taken two Cherries players – goalkeeper Ryan Allsop and winger Mohamed Coulibaly – on loan
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #81
skybluetony176 said:
I think you're assuming that all sell on clauses are based on a percentage and not a fixed amount. Click on Nicks link and read the first article. If you read that different to me fair enough but that's how it read to me.
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I read it as been worth over 3m, you read just over. There's no use of the word just so you added it in.

Why would a sell on fee not be a %?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #82
skybluetony176 said:
I don't know. How I read it was that we got £2.25M upfront and the loan players and other clauses could see the fee rise to just over £3M including goals, appearances, promotion and a sell on clause. That doesn't sound like a percentage to me, that sounds like a fixed amount. Unless I've misunderstood the article. Of course the article also says believed to be, so it could be wrong either way.
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No that's not how it works.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #83
CCFC said:
No that's not how it works.
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Skybluetony having a nightmare part 176
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #84
Nick said:
Where's it say just over?

The 22-year-old Cov Kid left his home town club this week to sign for Bournemouth in a loaded deal understood to be £2.25million up front and worth more than £3m in all when taking into account add-ons subject to goals, appearances, promotion, a sell-on clause and the fact that City have taken two Cherries players – goalkeeper Ryan Allsop and winger Mohamed Coulibaly – on loan
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My mistake. It's says more than. But the point stands. Yes more than could be £2M if we get 10% of a £20M transfer fee but it could also mean a fixed amount to make the total received £3.1M once all the clauses have been met.

He'd still be cheap IMO even if it is 10%. £5M is what we should have got up front.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #85
skybluetony176 said:
My mistake. It's says more than. But the point stands. Yes more than could be £2M if we get 10% of a £20M transfer fee but it could also mean a fixed amount to make the total received £3.1M once all the clauses have been met.

He'd still be cheap IMO even if it is 10%. £5M is what we should have got up front.
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That's not how how it works, if all of the promotion, goals scored, appearances, international apps. and any other performance related clauses are all met it will take the transfer up to over 3 million.

The sell on % will be on top of everything else, so if he's sold for say 15 million that will take the total value of the deal to probably over 4.5 million.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #86
skybluetony176 said:
My mistake. It's says more than. But the point stands. Yes more than could be £2M if we get 10% of a £20M transfer fee but it could also mean a fixed amount to make the total received £3.1M once all the clauses have been met.

He'd still be cheap IMO even if it is 10%. £5M is what we should have got up front.
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Christ did you receive any sort of education at school? How it works really isn't that hard.
 

covmark

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #87
CCFC said:
That's not how how it works, if all of the promotion, goals scored, appearances, international apps. and any other performance related clauses are all met it will take the transfer up to over 3 million.

The sell on % will be on top of everything else, so if he's sold for say 15 million that will take the total value of the deal to probably over 4.5 million.
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And if he keeps scoring, who knows what he will sell for. The price of good young English players is through the roof atm.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #88
Grendel said:
Skybluetony having a nightmare part 176
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How is asking questions and trying to understand the answers having a nightmare? I'm neither a professional footballer, football agent, football manager or a club owner. I don't pretend to understand the intricate details of transfers, there's no nightmare in admitting that. I'm more than big enough to admit I don't understand something. You should try giving it a go sometime.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #89
Grendel said:
Christ did you receive any sort of education at school? How it works really isn't that hard.
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You don't seem to be able to explain it either just try and insult those who admit that they don't understand it. As for the sort of education I had at school. No, football economics wasn't one of the options that came up. Are you saying it did at your school?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #90
skybluetony176 said:
How is asking questions and trying to understand the answers having a nightmare? I'm neither a professional footballer, football agent, football manager or a club owner. I don't pretend to understand the intricate details of transfers, there's no nightmare in admitting that. I'm more than big enough to admit I don't understand something. You should try giving it a go sometime.
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But you are telling others they don't know anything in the process?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #91
Grendel said:
As I said. Barnsley fans on their forum seem a far more intelligent and knowledgable bunch compared to some of the idiots on here who have an embarrassing lack of knowledge how football operates.
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My favourite is the belief that every footballer secretly has a burning desire to play for Coventry as well as loyalty to the club.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #92
CCFC said:
That's not how how it works, if all of the promotion, goals scored, appearances, international apps. and any other performance related clauses are all met it will take the transfer up to over 3 million.

The sell on % will be on top of everything else, so if he's sold for say 15 million that will take the total value of the deal to probably over 4.5 million.
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Thank you for the reply. It's most educational. Did you teach at Grendull's school perchance? They did football economics there apparently
 

WONDERLAMPS

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #93
Why do we care how he's doing? Like actually why?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #94
FRY-CCFC said:
Why do we care how he's doing? Like actually why?
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Because we can shout at SISU about it as if him and Clarke played for us we would get promoted easily. (Like we did when they actually did play for us)
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #95
Nick said:
But you are telling others they don't know anything in the process?
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No I said that they wouldn't know a good player if they hit them square between the eyes if they think we got a good deal for Wilson. Which I still stand by even with a better understanding of the sell on clause (thanks CCFC).

It might have been the best of the offer's we had. That doesn't mean that Bournemouth didn't get him on the cheap and that can only mean it was a bad deal for us.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #96
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Sell on clause is 15% I think? That's what I read a while back. It's easily bypassed though, Bournemouth could sell 2 players to the team interested and value a reserve player as 20m and Wilson as 1m. That way Bournemouth get all the money and technically there's nothing anyone can do
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Good god. That surpasses anything on here.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #97
Grendel said:
Good god. That surpasses anything on here.
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No nothing could every surpass you or Nick
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #98
letsallsingtogether said:
No nothing could every surpass you or Nick
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You couldn't stop agreeing with Grendel last week!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #99
Nick said:
Because we can shout at SISU about it as if him and Clarke played for us we would get promoted easily. (Like we did when they actually did play for us)
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Conveniently forgetting that one went in the January transfer window, one missed a big portion of latter half of the season with injury and we had a 10 point deduction. Under different circumstances a playoff place would have easily been achievable and if we weren't playing in Northampton at the same time who knows.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #100
skybluetony176 said:
Conveniently forgetting that one went in the January transfer window, one missed a big portion of latter half of the season with injury and we had a 10 point deduction. Under different circumstances a playoff place would have easily been achievable and if we weren't playing in Northampton at the same time who knows.
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Why did playing in Northampton make a difference out of interest?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #101
Grendel said:
Why did playing in Northampton make a difference out of interest?
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Because it was an uninspiring, silent dump.

Did you hear TM talking after the Crewe game on CWR saying how the fans were the extra man and lifted the players urging them on to the win? Let's not try and pretend for one minute that ever happened at Sixfields ever.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #102
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It's easily bypassed though, Bournemouth could sell 2 players to the team interested and value a reserve player as 20m and Wilson as 1m. That way Bournemouth get all the money and technically there's nothing anyone can do
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Are you serious?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #103
skybluetony176 said:
Because it was an uninspiring, silent dump.

Did you hear TM talking after the Crewe game on CWR saying how the fans were the extra man and lifted the players urging them on to the win? Let's not try and pretend for one minute that ever happened at Sixfields ever.
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we won a few games there didn't we? The same as we lost against crewe with a full house?

I'm not saying we were amazing, but we did get results there didn't we?
 

WONDERLAMPS

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #104
Nick said:
Because we can shout at SISU about it as if him and Clarke played for us we would get promoted easily. (Like we did when they actually did play for us)
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But we sold him for a large fee at the time and we also have a sell on clause? I don't get it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 29, 2015
  • #105
skybluetony176 said:
Because it was an uninspiring, silent dump.

Did you hear TM talking after the Crewe game on CWR saying how the fans were the extra man and lifted the players urging them on to the win? Let's not try and pretend for one minute that ever happened at Sixfields ever.
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Well I can't be bothered to check but I'm going to guess Sixfields as a home record was vastly superior to most at the Ricoh. I reckon third best in the last decade.

That includes seasons when we averaged 20,000 plus. Now I could be wrong but don't think I am. It's certainly better than the league one seasons.
 
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