Grendel
Well-Known Member
Thank god there are a few sensible posters on here who know how football works.
So if I'm reading this thread right what SISU should have done is invested in a time machine, gone into the future, seen how Wilson was going to do at Bournemouth and then sold him for £20m? We got the 9th highest fee (6th at the time) for a League One footballer for a player who'd only played one season above the Conference at the age of 21. Anyone who tries to claim it wasn't a good deal at the time honestly doesn't have a clue.
No, nobody is saying anybody was god. Just that it is fact we won a fair few games at home. That's true isn't it?
It's funny How you don't mention when tony is going on about sell on fees and imagines words in paragraphs to make the club look bad.
Amazing how you and astute come steaming in without reading, just need dongo next but I guess he is only about court cases.
Thank god there are a few sensible posters on here who know how football works.
Only no one suggested we should have got £20M for him. I myself suggested £5M plus add ons. He was worth that all day long for the attributes he'd already displayed without taking into consideration his potential. Anybody with half a brain could see he was going to tear up the championship.
Only no one suggested we should have got £20M for him. I myself suggested £5M plus add ons. He was worth that all day long for the attributes he'd already displayed without taking into consideration his potential. Anybody with half a brain could see he was going to tear up the championship.
His final comment is spot on.
Your final comment is absurd. It suggests you know more than the scouts of 21 championship clubs and all the premiere league clubs - none of whom were prepared to match the value placed on him - which you suggest is undercutting his value at the time.
You keep denying it if it makes you feel better. You want to try reading what you were posting about the Sixfields atmosphere last night before you accuse anyone of being absurd. I don't know what you and Nick were taking or drinking but it definitely detached you from reality.
The difference might have been the dawn of realisation that the crowds were not coming, income was greatly reduced & money had to be found from somewhere..."now what do we have to sell?"Why did playing in Northampton make a difference out of interest?
Not at the time he wasn't you dope.
I posted that it was fact we got good results there and there was no proof they would have been better at the ricoh. What is incorrect about it?You keep denying it if it makes you feel better. You want to try reading what you were posting about the Sixfields atmosphere last night before you accuse anyone of being absurd. I don't know what you and Nick were taking or drinking but it definitely detached you from reality.
I never said the atmosphere - I said statistical correlation and you don't understand what I am saying do you?
As for the Wilson thing tell me if he was so cheap why no one offered more.
According to you anyone not signing him at that price has less than half a brain.
So your knowledge is better than all the premier league clubs and 95% of championship clubs - ok then.
Not at the time he wasn't what? Displaying the attributes that made it clear he'd tear up the championship? I suggest you go back and look at his performances for us if that's what you mean. Not just when we had Clarke playing along side him but also after he regained match fitness when coming back from injury after Clarke had gone and Mousa had signed himself of sick. He was heads and tails above any player playing in the same roll in league one band I would even be bold enough to suggest in the championship at that time. He's a class act and always has been. We didn't get a class act price though. Why people choose to be in denial about that is staggering.
I posted that it was fact we got good results there and there was no proof they would have been better at the ricoh. What is incorrect about it?
I didn't claim anything about the atmosphere or attendances.
You are the one who is able to time travel and predict things as fact that didn't happen and we have no way of knowing.
Not at the time he wasn't what? Displaying the attributes that made it clear he'd tear up the championship? I suggest you go back and look at his performances for us if that's what you mean. Not just when we had Clarke playing along side him but also after he regained match fitness when coming back from injury after Clarke had gone and Mousa had signed himself of sick. He was heads and tails above any player playing in the same roll in league one band I would even be bold enough to suggest in the championship at that time. He's a class act and always has been. We didn't get a class act price though. Why people choose to be in denial about that is staggering.
You are a ret.
I'll try asking you again then.
Did the atmosphere at the Ricoh at the Crewe game make a difference like Tony Mowbray said on CWR after the match? Yes or no?
Did SP ever get the opportunity to say the same at Sixfields? Yes or no?
Nobody has said he wasn't good for us at the time.
If he was heads and tails above any other striker in League One, why did he not have the best goals per game that season in our league? Again, just using facts.
What was the total period he was out injured for and how long did it take him to get match fit again? Once match fit what was his record like then? Are you saying he has no other attributes other than putting the goal in the back of the net? Possibly explains why we have a different valuation of him at the time of his transfer. I noticed he has other attributes you just think he's a poacher.
So because Mowbray said it helped 1 game it means it would have helped for the whole season as a fact at the Ricoh? Strange how he is now the messiah of truth, just after you didn't seem to agree with him about branding up the club or really rate him. I guess if he says 1 thing you can somehow twist and time travel with to try and make speculation a fact you will roll with him now.
Funny that, I can't remember it helping much last season (apart from maybe Peterborough) or when we lost to Crewe in the JPT.
I will ask you this, do you have any factual proof our results would have been better at the Ricoh?
When have I said I don't agree with him branding the club. I along with others were the first to suggest something should be done in the tunnel when we saw pictures of the wasps branding and got mocked for it. Just because I said I can't see the point of covering up the smaller wasps badges around the pitch edge that you barely notice when there are two fkin huge ones mounted above the stand that will still hit you square in the face doesn't mean I don't and haven't backed TM I'm what he's done at Ryton and elsewhere. I was talking about one specific set of wasps badges not everything that's been done as whole and the fact that you're trying to twist it into something else in a lame effort to discredit me is only further proof of the bollocks you've been talking on this thread.
That is why I quoted goals per game rather than overall goals?
Paddy Madden had a better scoring record the season before, what's he up to nowadays without using time machines?
With strikers people tend to use goals scored as a stat, that is not me saying he isn't quick or strong now either. Just using actual facts.
How did Paddy Madden get on in the championship? Is he playing in the premier league and scoring goals now? That example is just further evidence that statistics don't tell you the whole story. You're not exactly helping your argument with that one.
That is why I quoted goals per game rather than overall goals?
Paddy Madden had a better scoring record the season before, what's he up to nowadays without using time machines?
With strikers people tend to use goals scored as a stat, that is not me saying he isn't quick or strong now either. Just using actual facts.
Oh. And like I said. Once match fit. He did have to play some games before getting match fit and start firing on all cylinders again. Statistics never tell you the whole story on their own.
No, I was talking about in League One. You are forgetting we don't all have time machines so we can't see into the future from that year he hammered League One to predict in the future.
The fact he has gone on to do nothing was actually my point because it was 1 season so we couldn't predict as we don't have the ability to see into the future.
Very intellectual reply. Care to argue the point or is name calling all you have?
We do have the ability though (if we choose to use it) to see potential. Paddy Madden has clearly reached his limit in league one. He's a decent league one player no doubting that but the statistics you take as gospel show not only is he not as good as Wilson he also possibly over achieved in Yeovil's promotion season as did Yeovil full stop.
It's all I have. Everyone else in the thread has explained to you that a player with one good season in league one being sold for £3million plus a sell on clause is a good deal.
Yes exactly, statistics AFTER that point which would have meant seeing into the future.
I am talking at the end of a good season when you can't 100% predict what will happen next season aren't I? My point is what we knew at that point in time and not now...
One name for you. Alex Oxlade Chamberlain. I guess Arsenal over paid by £9M.
That's why I say we have the ability to see potential.
How many with potential fulfil compared to those that don't though?
How many with potential fulfil compared to those that don't though?
Look at people who were raving about Ryan Haynes, now he can't get into the team because of a "Forest Green Reject".
How many have potential when signed as kids go on to make it?
Fair play to Wilson, I bet he has exceeded any expection and taken his chances and done well.
One name for you. Alex Oxlade Chamberlain. I guess Arsenal over paid by £9M.
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