Would you have Tom Bayliss back? (3 Viewers)

[WestEndAgro]

It's a No from me

 

---

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

that’s exactly what we’d be bringing him in for tbf. just someone with something to prove that can’t expect much right away, just be filling the gaps for a while, but i’d say Preston have a more fruitful midfield than us so I reckon it be good for him.

It'd be a waste of wage budget to bring him in when we'd have a lot of players already ahead of him in the pecking order. We've got more pressing issues to address.

If he wasn't ex-Coventry would you be asking the question of bringing him in? Why not suggest Jamie Thomas or Adam O'Reilly?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Would come with too much baggage.

10 times as much as other players apparently.

 

[fatso]

Yes.
He would be an interesting player in our current formation - gliding past players in the final 20-30 minutes and running at the oppo. Our formation in his final year with us wasn’t right for him.
Just because it hasn’t worked out at one club (could be down to many factors) - doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a star back here even at a higher level.
And I like a good story - Bayliss coming back ‘home’ and delivering on all of that early promise would be brilliant.
(As I like a good story I would be a terrible manager - Robins is actually very cut throat!).

It hasn't worked at other clubs because he simply isn't good enough, he hasnt got anything like the work rate and stamina required for the championship, and his defensive game is practically non existent,
He was accommodated in our midfield as we had other players who covered for him when play broke down, but you simply dont have that luxury or time in the championship.
He's in his last year at Preston and they have made him available for a season long loan, which tells you everything, and no other championship wants to take him, and he's too expensive for teams in league 1, I'd expect him to turn up in Scotland on a free next season, maybe with Mark McNulty, who I also dont want back!

 

[procdoc]

I wouldn’t take him. He’s not pulled up any trees at Preston. We are looking to improve, not go backwards.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Hes got (10) bags of potential & still young, but he needs game time in L1.

 

[SleepyGinger]

He needs to drop down a level and try to kick start his career. Another good bit of business selling Bayliss when we did however you would think a lot of the reported £2m would of been add ons that haven’t been met.

 

[rob9872]

I have to be careful defending Shippers on here before I get dogs abuse from the usual suspects, but why would Bayliss be any better?

The criticism levelled at Shippers is that he was decent in our promotion but hasn't stepped up. He still might make it but I understand the view his first season at Championship level which was well below par in most games, I'm sure he'd acknowledge that (although so was Jamie Allen's who has started well so far). He may not step up, but Bayliss has had longer at this level, wasn't part of the L1 promotion and has played less games at this level for a poor Preston side yet somehow seen as still having the most to give.

I think opinions are clouded of the performances we had from him before his sale at a lower level and are biased by that view having not seen him since. It could be that both or neither ever really make it at this level, yet it's easy to scapegoat someone who plays for the club and gives everything even if it appears currently that it might not be enough. If that's the case he might move on (a couple of sides have shown interest) and thank him for his service and both move on but the comparison every time another player is mentioned rather than on it's merits is 'well he must be better than Shipley' appears so often and is less than fair imo.

**Go on hit me with it - I must be related, shippers superfan, lover boy, he's unfit, he's not good enough etc etc insert and abuse as appropriate.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

Absolutely love Bayliss and would have him back straight away.

The only problem is that we need instant impact and we just haven’t the budget space or time to have him come back from injury, get match fit and then get up to Championship speed.

I’ve no doubt he has the ability and talent to make it in the Championship but at this moment in time we aren’t the right team to do it with.

Like others have said-needs a season long loan in Div 1 and then a full preseason with a Championship team.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

 

[TomRad85]

The shite football Preston play I'm not really surprised he's not progressed at all. Was a poor move for a ball carrying midfielder like Bayliss. Shame really.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

 

[fatso]

I have to be careful defending Shippers on here before I get dogs abuse from the usual suspects, but why would Bayliss be any better?

The criticism levelled at Shippers is that he was decent in our promotion but hasn't stepped up. He still might make it but I understand the view his first season at Championship level which was well below par in most games, I'm sure he'd acknowledge that (although so was Jamie Allen's who has started well so far). He may not step up, but Bayliss has had longer at this level, wasn't part of the L1 promotion and has played less games at this level for a poor Preston side yet somehow seen as still having the most to give.

I think opinions are clouded of the performances we had from him before his sale at a lower level and are biased by that view having not seen him since. It could be that both or neither ever really make it at this level, yet it's easy to scapegoat someone who plays for the club and gives everything even if it appears currently that it might not be enough. If that's the case he might move on (a couple of sides have shown interest) and thank him for his service and both move on but the comparison every time another player is mentioned rather than on it's merits is 'well he must be better than Shipley' appears so often and is less than fair imo.

**Go on hit me with it - I must be related, shippers superfan, lover boy, he's unfit, he's not good enough etc etc insert and abuse as appropriate.

Tbf, your probably right, Shipley was good for us in league 2, who can forget his goal at wembley and his energy level that day was fantastic, he stepped up and did ok in league 1, but has found it very tough in the championship, (although he did well enough in his last couple of outings last season.)
The problem is he just doesnt look anywhere near fit enough to me for some reason, and unlike Allen, he didnt take his chance when it was offered in the cup game. And with Kelly coming back and Jones available, and Eccles in the background, I cant see him getting much of a look in here.
He's certainly not shit though, he's just gone past his level imho.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I don't think he would be any better than Shipley to be honest. So not for me.

 

[SleepyGinger]

I think he would be better than Shipley however neither get in our team.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Not gonna get many looks in and hasn’t really so far at Preston…Eccles is out and we still need a replacement for him till at least when he recovers, makes sense to try getting Bayliss back on loan with a cheeky buy option if he does well? Risk worth taking IMO.

Bayliss is more an attacking player

 

[fatso]

Interesting to see that of our play off final match day squad, only Hyam, Kelly and Clarke-Harris have successfully stepped up to championship level and regularly played (when fit) that's to their credit, and shows just what a massive step up the championship is.

 

[rob9872]

Tbf, your probably right, Shipley was good for us in league 2, who can forget his goal at wembley and his energy level that day was fantastic, he stepped up and did ok in league 1, but has found it very tough in the championship, (although he did well enough in his last couple of outings last season.)
The problem is he just doesnt look anywhere near fit enough to me for some reason, and unlike Allen, he didnt take his chance when it was offered in the cup game. And with Kelly coming back and Jones available, and Eccles in the background, I cant see him getting much of a look in here.
He's certainly not shit though, he's just gone past his level imho.

I've 'liked' that post, I don't necessarily agree with it all, but when it's put like that as an honest appraisal or opinion of why he might not be right rather than 'he's shit' I can accept it much better. Not sure why some need to revert to dishing out insults nit just to him but other players of ours. It doesn't mean we have to think they're Messi, we don't even have to rate them as being good enough, but they should all get 100% support from us at all times why they are our players (*apart from Craig Bellamy of course).

 

[rob9872]

Interesting to see that of our play off final match day squad, only Hyam, Kelly and Clarke-Harris have successfully stepped up to championship level and regularly played (when fit) that's to their credit, and shows just what a massive step up the championship is.

Has Clarke Harris? It's early days, but after 30+ last season I could be wrong, but don't think he's scored yet.

 

[stupot07]

No thank you. He hasn't been good enough to get regular minutes at Preston even off the bench, and has been left to play u23s football. In fact he's played just 265 minutes of championship football in over 2 seasons. If they don't feel he can offer even something to be a bit part player then you have to be concerned that he simply hasn't developed since leaving us.


Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

 

[SleepyGinger]

Interesting to see that of our play off final match day squad, only Hyam, Kelly and Clarke-Harris have successfully stepped up to championship level and regularly played (when fit) that's to their credit, and shows just what a massive step up the championship is.

When you look back it was a very strong squad for league 2. Biamou Hyam Shipley Kelly all played in the championship with us. Grimmer got there with Wycombe. McNulty and Bayliss got championship moves. Burge and Willis went to the league 1 favourites and Clarke Harris just won league 1 player of the year.

 

[Esoterica]

We tried to turn him into something he wasn't in his last season here and he had an impossible job playing deeper alongside Doyle when his legs had gone. I think that has stuck in a lot of people's memories. He's only 22 still and we have no idea if he has continued to develop at Preston or not. Lack of game time for those cloggers does not necessarily mean he hasn't been improving as a player by training at a higher level.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I'd have him back although I don't think we really need him now and I'm not sure he'd be ahead of too many that we already have in that position. He would fit into our style of play still though and it's no surprise that he's not got game time at Preston as he's a bit classier than the run around clogger's that they seem to have playing every week.

 

[Mr Panda]

I'd have him back if we were more aligned with clubs at our level such as Sheffield United/WBA who can afford to have maybes occupying their reserves with the hope they'll do something.

There definitely is something about Bayliss, we just don't have the means of exploring it in our position.

...I say all that whilst Hilsner, Jobello etc rot away in the U23s.

 

[fernandopartridge]

We tried to turn him into something he wasn't in his last season here and he had an impossible job playing deeper alongside Doyle when his legs had gone. I think that has stuck in a lot of people's memories. He's only 22 still and we have no idea if he has continued to develop at Preston or not. Lack of game time for those cloggers does not necessarily mean he hasn't been improving as a player by training at a higher level.

People forget what a superb talent he was and the way he burst on to the scene, a 17 year old kid getting kicked about in L2. When we played Stoke at home in the FA Cup he didn't look out of place up against Shaqiri

 

[rob9872]

People forget what a superb talent he was and the way he burst on to the scene, a 17 year old kid getting kicked about in L2. When we played Stoke at home in the FA Cup he didn't look out of place up against Shaqiri

He did, but to put that in perspective, they were so low on confidence on a horrendous run in the league and Jack Grimmer turned into Cancelo that day. He's been massively upgraded on since. He may have made it with us, but there really are no guarantees and it's a huge step.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He did, but to put that in perspective, they were so low on confidence on a horrendous run in the league and Jack Grimmer turned into Cancelo that day. He's been massively upgraded on since. He may have made it with us, but there really are no guarantees and it's a huge step.

Bayliss wouldn't be the first player who looked to have something, to end up not making it... for whatever reason.

That said, we like an annual punt on a random barking mad signing, so maybe next season when he's out of contract and Bright sails on his merry way, he can be our random gamble that we turn him around again...

 

[Esoterica]

People forget what a superb talent he was and the way he burst on to the scene, a 17 year old kid getting kicked about in L2. When we played Stoke at home in the FA Cup he didn't look out of place up against Shaqiri

That team was quite a mess in the first half of the L1 season. Playing 4-2-3-1:

Chaplin as 10 and JCH as 9,
Hiwula or Shipley on the left of the 3 and Luke Thomas on the right.

Hiwula was one of the worst strikers I've ever seen with his back to goal, JCH being asked to play as a lone striker holding the ball up and Chaplin who was never a 10. That was 3 of the front 4 who were really goalscoring 'in the box' strikers together with Thomas and his 0 end product.

Behind that, Doyle, who so one paced at that point he couldn't get up the pitch or stay close enough to his man and Bayliss essentially being retrained in a new position on the fly, whilst also covering for Doyle.

I do think it was a mistake from Robins in that L1 season although Ogogo being a dud and Andreu never recovering from his ACL didn't help that. I can see what he wanted Bayliss to do - exactly what Liam Walsh did for us the season after, pick the ball up deep and drive the team up the pitch but we had so many square pegs that we didn't have the players around him to make it work.

It took Bright coming in to galvanise the attacking midfield and then the 3-5-2 formation switch at Fleetwood to provide the catalyst to finishing the season strongly.

I'd have Bayliss back. Get him on a 2 year contract with an option of a year in our favour and get him out to L1 to play as an attacking midfielder every week.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Not gonna get many looks in and hasn’t really so far at Preston…Eccles is out and we still need a replacement for him till at least when he recovers, makes sense to try getting Bayliss back on loan with a cheeky buy option if he does well? Risk worth taking IMO.

No, ask yourself is he any better than our midfield and where would he fit in.

 

[play_in_skyblue_stripes]

If there is space in the budget, I would be happy to see him back and flourish again.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That team was quite a mess in the first half of the L1 season. Playing 4-2-3-1:

Chaplin as 10 and JCH as 9,
Hiwula or Shipley on the left of the 3 and Luke Thomas on the right.

Hiwula was one of the worst strikers I've ever seen with his back to goal, JCH being asked to play as a lone striker holding the ball up and Chaplin who was never a 10. That was 3 of the front 4 who were really goalscoring 'in the box' strikers together with Thomas and his 0 end product.

Behind that, Doyle, who so one paced at that point he couldn't get up the pitch or stay close enough to his man and Bayliss essentially being retrained in a new position on the fly, whilst also covering for Doyle.

I do think it was a mistake from Robins in that L1 season although Ogogo being a dud and Andreu never recovering from his ACL didn't help that. I can see what he wanted Bayliss to do - exactly what Liam Walsh did for us the season after, pick the ball up deep and drive the team up the pitch but we had so many square pegs that we didn't have the players around him to make it work.

It took Bright coming in to galvanise the attacking midfield and then the 3-5-2 formation switch at Fleetwood to provide the catalyst to finishing the season strongly.

I'd have Bayliss back. Get him on a 2 year contract with an option of a year in our favour and get him out to L1 to play as an attacking midfielder every week.

The recruitment that year was all over the place and the system was far too rigid.

Asking players to play roles, positions that they were obviously uncomfortable playing in was also beyond strange.

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

I have to be careful defending Shippers on here before I get dogs abuse from the usual suspects, but why would Bayliss be any better?

The criticism levelled at Shippers is that he was decent in our promotion but hasn't stepped up. He still might make it but I understand the view his first season at Championship level which was well below par in most games, I'm sure he'd acknowledge that (although so was Jamie Allen's who has started well so far). He may not step up, but Bayliss has had longer at this level, wasn't part of the L1 promotion and has played less games at this level for a poor Preston side yet somehow seen as still having the most to give.

I think opinions are clouded of the performances we had from him before his sale at a lower level and are biased by that view having not seen him since. It could be that both or neither ever really make it at this level, yet it's easy to scapegoat someone who plays for the club and gives everything even if it appears currently that it might not be enough. If that's the case he might move on (a couple of sides have shown interest) and thank him for his service and both move on but the comparison every time another player is mentioned rather than on it's merits is 'well he must be better than Shipley' appears so often and is less than fair imo.

**Go on hit me with it - I must be related, shippers superfan, lover boy, he's unfit, he's not good enough etc etc insert and abuse as appropriate.

I don't actually agree with you Rob as I personally see Bayliss having higher potential and better technical skills.

But it's really good to see somewhat of a reasonable and balanced debate on this vs. the usual insults and mindlessly and moronically calling our own players 'shit' or 'you only like him as he takes selfies' or other similar nonsense that is all too evident on here (well for some morons on here).

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

No, don’t go back. Bayliss moved on and so did we.

 

[long way home]

If he would improve the game day squad as a replacement for someone moving out or down the pecking order I would take him.

Anyone who can improve your squad is an option, as for Bayliss looks like he has stood still and maybe needs a move. Our style of play does suit him, but think the chance is remote of him coming back.

 

[TomRad85]

If he would improve the game day squad as a replacement for someone moving out or down the pecking order I would take him.

Anyone who can improve your squad is an option, as for Bayliss looks like he has stood still and maybe needs a move. Our style of play does suit him, but think the chance is remote of him coming back.

Shipley makes the match day squad. With that in mind you'd have to say you'd take Bayliss.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

That team was quite a mess in the first half of the L1 season. Playing 4-2-3-1:

Chaplin as 10 and JCH as 9,
Hiwula or Shipley on the left of the 3 and Luke Thomas on the right.

Hiwula was one of the worst strikers I've ever seen with his back to goal, JCH being asked to play as a lone striker holding the ball up and Chaplin who was never a 10. That was 3 of the front 4 who were really goalscoring 'in the box' strikers together with Thomas and his 0 end product.

Behind that, Doyle, who so one paced at that point he couldn't get up the pitch or stay close enough to his man and Bayliss essentially being retrained in a new position on the fly, whilst also covering for Doyle.

I do think it was a mistake from Robins in that L1 season although Ogogo being a dud and Andreu never recovering from his ACL didn't help that. I can see what he wanted Bayliss to do - exactly what Liam Walsh did for us the season after, pick the ball up deep and drive the team up the pitch but we had so many square pegs that we didn't have the players around him to make it work.

It took Bright coming in to galvanise the attacking midfield and then the 3-5-2 formation switch at Fleetwood to provide the catalyst to finishing the season strongly.

I'd have Bayliss back. Get him on a 2 year contract with an option of a year in our favour and get him out to L1 to play as an attacking midfielder every week.

excellent post Esoterica - agree 100% with everything. Seeing Chaplin (supposedly our fox in the box) having to drop back frequently into our own half to collect the ball was an indication of something very wrong with our set up before the formation switch. And the role that Tom was being asked to play - it just curbed his game.

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

People forget what a superb talent he was and the way he burst on to the scene, a 17 year old kid getting kicked about in L2. When we played Stoke at home in the FA Cup he didn't look out of place up against Shaqiri

He megged Joe Allen by the corner flag . Bayliss was superb that day