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I'd be all for History being mandatory but hey, I'd also insist on all Thomas Hardy literature being burned, and people being taught why he was a very, very bad poet indeed.
You’ve just given me nightmare flashbacks to ‘Far From the Madding Crowd’ as our GCSE text.I'd be all for History being mandatory but hey, I'd also insist on all Thomas Hardy literature being burned, and people being taught why he was a very, very bad poet indeed.
I mean, I hope this meets with Tony's approval that it was on the English syllabus at the timeYou’ve just given me nightmare flashbacks to ‘Far From the Madding Crowd’ as our GCSE text.
Achebe’s poetry is or at least was in the GCSE poetry anthology too.I mean, I hope this meets with Tony's approval that it was on the English syllabus at the time
I never claimed that it wasn’t being taught just that the negatives weren’t being mandatorily taught. Slavery being the obvious example, taught about the abolition not the negative or long term effects. Just a pat on the back for finally doing the right thing. Again, we have a government who has categorically ruled out teaching the negatives while actively promoting the teaching of the “positives”.I never claimed it was mandatory. I claimed it was actively taught, which it is. Also outside of English and Maths, most of the other subjects are optional at GCSE. Personally I think more science should also be mandatory, it isn’t. C’est la vie.
All school kids will be studying History up to the age of 13/14 at least meaning that they will do some study of empire in that time and the 300,000 taking it to GCSE will do even more. The exam boards also have to get their specifications signed off by Ofqual. If we were so ashamed of our imperial past, the regulator could force them to take it off the spec. They don’t.
I never claimed that it wasn’t being taught just that the negatives weren’t being mandatorily taught. Slavery being the obvious example, taught about the abolition not the negative or long term effects. Just a pat on the back for finally doing the right thing. Again, we have a government who has categorically ruled out teaching the negatives while actively promoting the teaching of the “positives”.
And it’s important because it shapes attitudes. For example, one of the aspects of colonialism in India that as a country like to pat ourselves on the back for is “gifting” them a rail service. Very few people acknowledges or are even aware that they were built with forced labour with the sole purpose of making it easier to transport the resources that we were pillaging to port.
Is that what the German curriculum teaches?It's never a good idea to hammer home that you're ashamed of your country
Is that what the German curriculum teaches?
How has it harmed Germany?Doubtful they are directly taught that as that's just stupid , but it's a consequence of being told the bad things your country did for many many years , what they have been taught has created a situation of unease over basic things like celebration and patriotism
How has it harmed Germany?
I think it's less than during WW2 tbfThere has been a rise in far right extremism hasn’t there?
Far right parties in Germany now have 18% national supportThere has been a rise in far right extremism hasn’t there?
I think it's less than during WW2 tbf
I suppose there is a difference in being scared NOT to support somebody who killed their opposition members than it is to support far right parties in a free societyI think it's less than during WW2 tbf
There is also a slight difference in half the country having been under communist rule for a good 40 years and the resulting economic hangover arising from that.Still is more extreme than here I would say
Again though the arguments entirely different. You’d need to know how colonialism and Bismark foreign policy is taught and not the rise of Nazi Germany to have a comparison
I think the reasons behind that are a bit more complicated than schoolkids not getting enough lessons in patriotism! But I do agree it’s a problem. Good article I just read on it all here: Germany: How patriotic should the country be? – DW – 06/04/2023Can you imagine if 19% of brits voted for Britain first .. that's where Germany is right now
I never said it was the reason , and I never said it was because they weren't being taught patriotism .. you've made that upI think the reasons behind that are a bit more complicated than schoolkids not getting enough lessons in patriotism! But I do agree it’s a problem. Good article I just read on it all here: Germany: How patriotic should the country be? – DW – 06/04/2023
Don’t think you’ve got to vote BF to align yourself with the far right in Germany. You’re average Tory MP including cabinet members past and present do a good job of parroting a lot of what is said by the far right in Germany.Can you imagine if 19% of brits voted for Britain first .. that's where Germany is right now
Don’t think you’ve got to vote BF to align yourself with the far right in Germany. You’re average Tory MP including cabinet members past and present do a good job of parroting a lot of what is said by the far right in Germany.
Wrong thread?A bit of a break.
It's not, but it's arguably worse to hammer home that your country is amazing and always right. Otherwise you end up like America.Some of the negatives of German kids being taught that their nation was dreadful show with their unwillingness to show patriotism and their general unease when it comes to their flag .. despite a small period , Germany as a country has much to be proud of View attachment 31788
It's never a good idea to hammer home that you're ashamed of your country
That’s me sorted for the next hour or so!Going back to the topic of the original post...
On this day in 1940 London was blitzed for the first time.
Best temperature to lay floor laminateIt's not, but it's arguably worse to hammer home that your country is amazing and always right. Otherwise you end up like America.
Exactly what I learnt up to GCSE and A level. I think we did a lot of the old monarchs aswell for some reasonI studied WW2 predominantly throughout years 7-9, and little bits of the Civil Wars and Industrial Revolution then rise of Nazi Germany and policies throughout 10/11 - threw in USA and isolationism’s
in A-Level, it was again Rise of Nazi Germany, The Plague, WW1, our Welfare Stare and the American Civil War & The Napoleonic War.
You’d struggle to find anything nowadays in the curriculum that breaches onto India, The Troubles, our role in the slave trade (apart from abolishing it) I’ve had to research that myself.
schools are big on promoting “Germany Bad guys” though
I’m a big believer of adding the empire to the curriculum - it’s possibly the biggest world event in terms of innovation and development, but you need to understand how the world got there… this includes the negative sides
I think there’s a lot of people in Britain who are brought up to feel the same way about the British flag.Some of the negatives of German kids being taught that their nation was dreadful show with their unwillingness to show patriotism and their general unease when it comes to their flag .. despite a small period , Germany as a country has much to be proud of View attachment 31788
It's never a good idea to hammer home that you're ashamed of your country
I don’t necessarily agree with nationalism or being ashamed of your country. Its just a piece of cloth at the end of the day.I think there’s a lot of people in Britain who are brought up to feel the same way about the British flag.
An English friend of mine - we both live in Wales - explained how she felt about being English. She said, “being English is not about thinking you’re better than everyone else, it’s knowing it”. This was not supposed to be a good thing.I don’t necessarily agree with nationalism or being ashamed of your country. Its just a piece of cloth at the end of the day.
proud of what your family or friends have done. But generally most of the achievements good or bad are off the back of someone who profited from it
I don’t necessarily agree with nationalism or being ashamed of your country. Its just a piece of cloth at the end of the day.
proud of what your family or friends have done. But generally most of the achievements good or bad are off the back of someone who profited from it
I think a lot of people just don’t think that the St George cross represents them. It’s a Christian flag for starters and the majority of the country isn’t Christian, almost 40% at the last census claimed to not be religious at all.
An English friend of mine - we both live in Wales - explained how she felt about being English. She said, “being English is not about thinking you’re better than everyone else, it’s knowing it”. This was not supposed to be a good thing.
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