Terry_dactyl
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Tbf she wasn’t shouting from the roof tops or telling people that she’s better than them. If anything she was challenging herself.
I have encountered this perception of English people from outside the country.
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I have encountered this perception of English people from outside the country.
Brighton Sky Blue
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In Scotland I found that there was endless talk of England having won the World Cup in 1966. Not from English people mind you, but from Scottish people telling me that it's all English people talk about. In my experience lots of Scots would be going out of their way to prove how they aren't like English people while actually showing they have plenty in common, societally, culturally and otherwise.
skybluetony176
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Mmmm. By people claiming to be Christian but in reality have never demonstrated Christian values. Without going down the whole empire rabbit hole again there’s nothing Christian about an awful lot of the things we did to actually build this country. I was extremely religious as a child, took myself to church every Sunday, went back for Sunday school, was part of a Christian youth movement etc etc, I lost my faith as a teenager but I remember enough of the bible to quote it (loosely) when occasion calls and the as Jesus told the wealthy man in the market who approached him and said I can just say I’m a Christian and he rewarded in heaven, Jesus replied Christianity isn’t a word, Christianity is an action. Or something along those lines. An awful lot of prominent people who shaped this country historically and more recently are going to have to square a lot of pegs in round holes to get past the pearly gates. Though shall not lie for example Jacob Rees-Mogg.
croatskyblue
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there is a big difference between patriotism and nationalism, nationalism is a disease
Agreed. Unfortunately people conflate the two, you can be patriotic and proud of your country, whilst appreciating its not perfect, without being a nationalist loon
I’d argue those values haven’t endured here because they’re Christian, they’ve endured because they’re conducive to the Western capitalist system that has made us a prosperous country. There’s very little difference between our values and those of our explicitly secular neighbours.
As for the patriotism thing, Britain tends to rank quite highly on international rankings of patriotism, but I’m not sure there’s much correlation between a country being patriotic and a country being a good, stable place to live.
Flying Fokker
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Ooops! Momentary foray onto search engine and brain fog!
skybluetony176
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You forgot religion. I’ve been blathering on about that too.
Grendel
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You seem somewhat unhinged Tony - I do think the therapists chair beckons - perhaps you should say hello and wave goodbye for a while?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I think as long as it's balanced and doesn't tip over into thinking we are exceptional just because of the country we're from. That way leads to dangerous nationalist lunatics and can prevent you from improving as you will not even consider another country'd way of life in superior is one respect or another.
On balance, I still think it'd be best if we didn't really think about country, especially in the modern age where so many people move around the globe and experience different cultures. I want us to look at everyone for the good and bad as to how we should and shouldn't live, not just our own country.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I spent ages trying to work out the cryptic message. At first I thought is was some short of wry comment that what I'd said had no relevance to the conversation.
Flying Fokker
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Thinking back, the Union Flag was a sign of far right groups in the 70’s 80’s and beyond. It was powerful but for all the wrong reasons. This meant that some true patriots were embarrassed to fly the flag.
Unlike the US, who would still sing the national anthem in schools.
Flying Fokker
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I’m Sky Blue. If I want to fly a a flag it would be a Union Flag, that’s where I landed. Flags are used so much more than when I was young.
The Union Flag was also a sign of broken society in places like Northern Ireland. I felt no pride seeing some of the marching season footage there.
However, in terms of religion, all faiths are in decline other than the fairytale zealots who are Far right /far left or just plain followers of doctrine.
robbiekeane
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Now now, don’t need to be unhinged to be in a therapist chair do you
Grendel
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No but this essentially is a football forum and someone spending 95% of their time on other subjects - and hugely contradicting their previous stance - is pretty odd.
Thought this article about lack of contextual thinking in the world today might be of interest as it ties into some of this thread. The penultimate paragraph sums it up for me…unfortunately it’s not just the kids.
‘And this is why even liberals (like myself) who have long shied away from regulation should confront the possibility that these apps* are not merely making our children sick but corroding the fabric of contextual thought’
*social media
‘And this is why even liberals (like myself) who have long shied away from regulation should confront the possibility that these apps* are not merely making our children sick but corroding the fabric of contextual thought’
*social media
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