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Monkeyface · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
Yeah but all I am trying to do is figuring out how that will force a takeover, there have been protests for years.

If they want fan help, they need to say how the fans can help and what they can do properly rather than people like Italia and others stirring things up with the "pick your sides" crap as it just lowers it down to a bit of PR.

There have been protests for years, and no SISU haven't gone yet. But we are closer to that now than we were two years ago. Just because nothing has been achieved yet, doesn't mean it won't be. And actually didn't the fans staying away from Sixfields force Tim Fisher to reconsider thier position?

rupert_bear · May 31, 2017

Brylowes said:
The pub on the corner behind the SBS at HIghfield Road, I forget what it was called
Before but it became the Sky Blue Tavern and I believe' only opened on match days.
Who owned that?

The Mercers Arms, Bob Brolly's dad ran it for years until taking over the Bowling Green in Spon End, whether he owned it can't say. Once it became the Sky Blue Tavern I think the football club owned it.

Nick · May 31, 2017

Monkeyface said:
There have been protests for years, and no SISU haven't gone yet. But we are closer to that now than we were two years ago. Just because nothing has been achieved yet, doesn't mean it won't be. And actually didn't the fans staying away from Sixfields force Tim Fisher to reconsider thier position?

But what makes people think it's closer now? The club is now at a break even level so isn't leaking millions so it's more comfortable now for SISU to hold onto and let it tick over away from them.

That still doesn't answer what action the consortium want from the fans to help.

All people keep hinting at is NOPM and staying away to force a sale / takeover.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 31, 2017

Monkeyface said:
There have been protests for years, and no SISU haven't gone yet. But we are closer to that now than we were two years ago. Just because nothing has been achieved yet, doesn't mean it won't be. And actually didn't the fans staying away from Sixfields force Tim Fisher to reconsider thier position?

You could argue that the move achieved a short term aim in that the club was offered a deal on vastly reduced terms.

Long term it's destroyed us, but they seemed prepared to go another season with the pitch renewal and the first 3 games

ashbyjan · May 31, 2017

Skybluesince82 said:
IMHO fan involvement is a nightmare. I know someone involved with Portsmouth and that is an absolute shambles and mess at the moment with a wealthy local man wanting to buy a load of shares but some fans involved not wanting to sell because they'll lose their ego trip-position. There is all sorts of skullduggery going on there with people protecting their own interests. Very similar to the old boy network at the FA. They won't vote for change as they have a vested interest.
FC United is another example where bickering and infighting is the order of the day and I've been involved myself at non-league level where fans involvement causes nothing but friction, unrest and fighting.
I have no axe to grind whatsoever with the SBT and I am sure they believe they are acting on behalf of the majority, but they aren't acting on my behalf and I don't want them speaking for me.

Portsmouth FC statement about potential takeover by Michael Eisner's Tornante group Pompey

Fergusons_Beard · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
But what makes people think it's closer now? The club is now at a break even level so isn't leaking millions so it's more comfortable now for SISU to hold onto.

That still doesn't answer what action the consortium want from the fans to help.

That's my thinking Nick.

SISU obviously have a price in mind and this consortium scrabbling around for funds to match it.

What worries me is selling to people who have no money and CCFC being in a worse state!

It's all being well this consortium saying we'll play in Coventry but stadiums cost money and if they haven't enough to buy out SISU then they haven't enough to build a new stadium.

Smoke and Mirrors.

Btw of course I want SISU out but it HAS to be for the benefit of the club!

People thought SISU were knights rescuing us from Mcginty et al but that didn't go so well.

People on here need to temper their desperation to get rid of Sisu with a demand for transparency from the consortium.

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Nick · May 31, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
That's my thinking Nick.

SISU obviously have a price in mind and this consortium scrabbling around for funds to match it.

What worries me is selling to people who have no money and CCFC being in a worse state!

It's all being well this consortium saying we'll play in Coventry but stadiums cost money and if they haven't enough to buy out SISU then they haven't enough to build a new stadium.

Smoke and Mirrors.

Btw of course I want SISU out but it HAS to be for the benefit of the club!

People thought SISU were knights rescuing us from Mcginty et al but that didn't go so well.

People on here need to temper their desperation to get rid of Sisu with a demand for transparency from the consortium.

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Unless of course it's carefully worded to not say "we will be playing at the Ricoh".

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

break even it may be but if the 5 year future future is :chance of promotion,mid table,lower table,lower table,relegation

then perhaps they will decide no point hanging around

Monkeyface · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
Because as soon as anybody mentions the trust the standard responses are the same. So much so it was called in advance what a reply would be.

It was called in advance because it's bloody obvious! You can't change anything from the outside. What is it that stops other people being involved in the Trust?
"If you don't like it then go and run for the board" is the wrong approach, in fairness to Jan he has come on and posted which I think is a better way to go about it. The more fans that are convinced the more will be on board.

Nick · May 31, 2017

covcity4life said:
break even it may be but if the 5 year future future is :chance of promotion,mid table,lower table,lower table,relegation

then perhaps they will decide no point hanging around

But you are looking at it from a fan's perspective.

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
But you are looking at it from a fan's perspective.

no from a owners perspective

they are break even now. people continue to stop coming they will have to slash budgets which will lead to lower positioning most likely and possibly even relegation.

a dsicussion would be had wether they should sell whilst we are still a football league club or not

Fergusons_Beard · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
Unless of course it's carefully worded to not say "we will be playing at the Ricoh".

Yep.

Obvious really.

Not that I don't mind not owning our own stadium (as people on here have pointed out-plenty in football that don't and are doing ok!) it's the transparency and honesty that really matters to me.

So if the consortium plan to play out of the Ricoh have they a deal with WASPS on the table?

What are their strategies to fund the club without stadium revenue?

Have they capital for CCFC squad enhancement/maintenance ?

Just worries me that a consortium clearly struggling to fund an acceptable bid would have the required funding to back a successful football team.

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Nick · May 31, 2017

covcity4life said:
no from a owners perspective

they are break even now. people continue to stop coming they will have to slash budgets which will lead to lower positioning most likely and possibly even relegation.

a dsicussion would be had wether they should sell whilst we are still a football league club or not

But they are happy to just let it tick over as long as it doesn't cost them anything at all. If people don't look at it from a football side and from "their" side they will see that.

How many times have we heard "when we get relegated they will go", "if this happens they will go"? All that has happened is they have stemmed the losses so CCFC is no hassle to them now.

Monkeyface · May 31, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
You could argue that the move achieved a short term aim in that the club was offered a deal on vastly reduced terms.

Long term it's destroyed us, but they seemed prepared to go another season with the pitch renewal and the first 3 games

You're right, I think you could make that argument, and I'd have to agree with it. But like you say the long term damage could still prove terminal, and Tim Fisher is still in charge. Where else could you make such a catastrophic error and not be fired? He would have been far better of winding the fans up about how the cost is crippling the club.

Fergusons_Beard · May 31, 2017

covcity4life said:
no from a owners perspective

they are break even now. people continue to stop coming they will have to slash budgets which will lead to lower positioning most likely and possibly even relegation.

a dsicussion would be had wether they should sell whilst we are still a football league club or not

In all this does anyone REALLY think the fans have any influence over SISU selling the club?

They're business people and if they receive what they feel is an acceptable amount they'll snatch their hands off!

Nowt to do with fans-all to do with money!

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Nick · May 31, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
In all this does anyone REALLY think the fans have any influence over SISU selling the club?

They're business people and if they receive what they feel is an acceptable amount they'll snatch their hands off!

Nowt to do with fans-all to do with money!

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That's the thing, step aside from emotion and what fans want and look at it.

It's not ideal as fans, but it's how it is.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 31, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
This! I'm heartened by the trust mentioning us playing in the city of coventry rather than specifically the Ricoh.

The club needs to control its own destiny

Whoever the new owners are and whenever they take over in one or five years there will be no new ground

Nick · May 31, 2017

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Whoever the new owners are and whenever they take over in one or five years there will be no new ground

Why wouldn't there be a new ground?

This is talking aside from SISU under new owners etc.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 31, 2017

Brylowes said:
The pub on the corner behind the SBS at HIghfield Road, I forget what it was called
Before but it became the Sky Blue Tavern and I believe' only opened on match days.
Who owned that?

The Mercers I think in the end city owned it

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
But they are happy to just let it tick over as long as it doesn't cost them anything at all. If people don't look at it from a football side and from "their" side they will see that.

How many times have we heard "when we get relegated they will go", "if this happens they will go"? All that has happened is they have stemmed the losses so CCFC is no hassle to them now.

falling out of the football league is a big deal for owners and not just fans. they will contonue to see huge drop off in fans spending money.

like i said they can only keep it break even for so long. they will know this.

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
In all this does anyone REALLY think the fans have any influence over SISU selling the club?

They're business people and if they receive what they feel is an acceptable amount they'll snatch their hands off!

Nowt to do with fans-all to do with money!

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we dont have much influence. but what little we do could factor into what they see as an acceptable bid.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
Why wouldn't there be a new ground?

This is talking aside from SISU under new owners etc.

Money, Land Will take you pick feel free to add any more. Of course we will have the council that's a given

Nick · May 31, 2017

covcity4life said:
falling out of the football league is a big deal for owners and not just fans. they will contonue to see huge drop off in fans spending money.

like i said they can only keep it break even for so long. they will know this.

You are still assuming they care though.

I don't think we will fall out of the football league running at break even.

These aren't owners from the mould of somebody who is filled with pride to own the club and it's their baby. It's figures that they don't want to be in minus.

In terms of figures, we are in a better position now than a couple of years back when we had losses of millions that they had to plug.

Nick · May 31, 2017

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Money, Land Will take you pick feel free to add any more. Of course we will have the council that's a given

Would hope any new owners would have a plan for it to be honest. Temporarily of course we would need the Ricoh but not forever. Same with academy / training ground.

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
You are still assuming they care though.

I don't think we will fall out of the football league running at break even.

These aren't owners from the mould of somebody who is filled with pride to own the club and it's their baby. It's figures that they don't want to be in minus.

In terms of figures, we are in a better position now than a couple of years back when we had losses of millions that they had to plug.

we have been relegated twice under sisu yet you think a 3rd relegation is unlikely?

interesting

i have never said they are brimming with pride, its all stats based, and they may be breaking even right now but only way they can keep it like that amongst fans no longer parting with cash is to slash budgets which would make relegation more likely.

would we have a big enough fanbase to keep going if we fell down the non leagues too? would sisu think its best for business to break even,slash budgets,get relegated every 3 or 4 years or would they maybe take an offer to sell?

these are all questions and no matter how much someone pretends to be the authority on it all the reality is none of us have the answers.

Skybluebrummie · May 31, 2017

We all know this Hoffman thing is all bollocks and will never happen, sick of hearing the same old shit time after time.
Lets just wait for a proper bid for the club....if it ever happens

Brylowes · May 31, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Their fans didn't desert In the club's time of need. We had 27k against Gillingham and 11k against Yeovil. NOPM was supposed to bring CCFC home. When that happened NOPM changed its goal

We had 27000 against Gills because it was our first game in our city for over a year, which
In its self points out the catastrophic situation our custodians had put us in.
Southampton just missed out on the playoffs in their first league 1 campaign, they then went
On to significantly invest in the team and subsequently gained automatic promotion.
Had Mowbrays early season form continued on to promotion, we would have been topping
20000 by the end of that season, we are no different to anyone else.

Any club with our record "on and off" the pitch over the last 20 years would suffer exactly
The same fan issues as we do,

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

exactly. if we were ever successful longer than 3 months we would see attendences rise to the next level

i am looking forward to league 2. if we do well i can see regular attendences of 10k and over

although alot depends on efl app i guess

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 31, 2017

Brylowes said:
We had 27000 against Gills because it was our first game in our city for over a year, which
In its self points out the catastrophic situation our custodians had put us in.
Southampton just missed out on the playoffs in their first league 1 campaign, they then went
On to significantly invest in the team and subsequently gained automatic promotion.
Had Mowbrays early season form continued on to promotion, we would have been topping
20000 by the end of the season, we are no different to anyone else.

Any club with our record "on and off" the pitch over the last 20 years would suffer exactly
The same fan issues as we do,

a 16k drop is ridiculous though, I could understand maybe a few thousand, but 16k?

covcity4life · May 31, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
a 16k drop is ridiculous though, I could understand maybe a few thousand, but 16k?

alot of the fans that came back for gills were fairweather fans or not even fans full stop. just wante dto be thei for the occasion.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 31, 2017

covcity4life said:
exactly. if we were ever successful longer than 3 months we would see attendences rise to the next level

i am looking forward to league 2. if we do well i can see regular attendences of 10k and over

although alot depends on efl app i guess

I've no doubt about this, or have a problem with this.

It's the sharp declines following a set back that annoy me

dongonzalos · May 31, 2017

Nick said:
How can he get fans to do that?

This just seems like Preston Haskell Part 2.

In what way?

Brylowes · May 31, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
a 16k drop is ridiculous though, I could understand maybe a few thousand, but 16k?

It just dropped back to its true level, the hardcore 'if you like" but what it does tell you, Is the
other 16000 are there, it's just gonna take a lot more in the way of general success to coax
Them back.

clint van damme · May 31, 2017

ashbyjan said:
Hand on heart the questionnaire had sod all to do with the Hoffman consortium, it was planned ages before they bobbed up again. Obviously the results will shape our future direction but discussions with Hoffman et al have only happened recently which is why there is till a lot to be agreed.

Fair enough. The other person who told me is someone I've no reason to doubt either to be honest was just a thought I had. Hopefully something can be worked out that gets everyone behind it.

letsallsingtogether · May 31, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
All have been shown to be ineffective and divisive. The trust and consortium need to sit down and come up with new creative ideas that the whole fan base can get behind

That ain't ever happening no matter what is done some will still cry not in my name.
Or why on a Saturday or Tuesday or at 10.00 or do I have to pay anything but the best one is trying to get them off their arses.
Over to you

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