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  1. I_Saw_Shaw_Score

    I_Saw_Shaw_Score Well-Known Member

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    And be replaced by who!?
     
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    Yes the reliance on the trusted few is a worry. I would like the see rashid in there, he gives us something different
     
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    I think if Wood isn't fit they will include Finn. Him and Ball would likely be the backup seamers with TRJand Woakes competing for the third seamer role.

    I do not think they fancy Rashid. He's been given a go and not selected again - I think he just bowls too many bad balls, releases pressure and they want a second spinner who can tie up an end hence the selection of Dawson. Wonder if they will pick Crane as the reserve spinner - it would be a huge call to do so.

    Hameed has scored so few runs that it would be a massive punt to take him.
     
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    I'd have Crane over Dawson!

    Think Hameed will go, wonder if Ballance will be back on the radar ?

    I would have taken Foakes as back up keeper but the theory they're saying suggests Buttler who hardly scored any red ball runs this season.
     
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    I agree regarding Crane however he is 20, has played 4-5 first class games all season and has average 40 with the ball. He looked good in the T20 game but it would be a huge leap to pick him at Sydney. The're likelier to go with someone a bit more experienced but they don't rate Rashid. I suspect they might go to Dawson as a back-up. Nobody else in the frame really - as with Crane you cannot pluck somebody from nowhere and stick them in th eTest side Down Under e.g. Danny Briggs, Kerrigan, Adam Riley etc. But a backup for Moeen is needed and personally I would select Ollie Rayner.

    They seem to really rate Ballance, as with the likes of Crawley and Hick in the 1990s they are involved in a wish-fulfilment exercise, hoping he will transfer his county form onto the international circuit. Plus in his first season he hit 4 hundreds so they're hoping that his increasingly long spell of poor form will evaporate and he'll come good. I doubt it somehow. Maybe he'd be better at 5 rather than three.

    Following the logic above, they will not want to select a backup keeper with little experience especially as, with our batting so poor, we might want to select the reserve keeper as a specialist batsman. This is exactly what happened with Buttler in India and I can see them selecting him again for this very reason. Has got a fair few caps, has scored runs for us, knows the team environment, not a big step for him. Bayliss really likes Buttler so for that reason alone I think theyll select him, partly to compensate Bayliss who seems to be ignored on other topics such as balance of the team, Root's place in the order, attacking batsman in the top 3, Moeen being second spinner, etc.

    If they rang me up and asked me, I'd give them this answer:
    Cook
    Stoneman
    Root
    Moeen
    Ballance
    Stokes
    Bairstow
    Woakes
    Roland-Jones
    Broad
    Anderson

    Hameed, Buttler, Rayner, Finn, Wood.

    Moeen has scored more runs that the likes of Westley, Ballance, Malan etc. Wasted at 8 - we need runs higher up the order. For me it is a toss-up between Malan and Ballance. Unfortunately I think it's too late to call up someone like Samit Patel or Joe Clarke.
     
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    Can't see a Test where 2 spinners will be needed so Crane would be going for the experience.

    Rayner should have been picked over Ansari last winter.

    I'd be surprised if Hameed isn't at 3 for the first test.
    Root 4.

    Can't see 5 seamers all playing.

    It's a shame the squad isn't being debated due to so many in form options more who do we think/trust to do a job!
     
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    I think it will be

    Root
    Stokes
    Cook
    Stoneman
    Westley
    Bairstow
    Ali
    Broad
    Woakes
    Anderson
    Malan

    Roland jones
    Hameed
    Butler
    Finn
    Wood or Ballance
     
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    We've picked 2 spinners at both Adelaide and Sydney before now, so it could happen again i.e. that the pitch demands a second spinner. Or Moeen might get injured in which case we'd definitely need the reserve to step in.

    I like Hameed but he's not scored enough runs this year and it seemed like he'd had second season syndrome after being worked out by some counties following his debut season. I hope he goes on well but I can't see him opening in Bisbane.

    I'd normally be against 5 seamers but Australia is a big, hot, open place and the need for fresh legs by rotating the bowling is clear. Anderson and Stokes would be used sparingly to preserve them (also Stokes tends to leak runs more than others), whilst Wood would be used in short sharp bursts. Therefore it makes sense to have Woakes and Broad, who are different to each other, to be the workhorse stock bowlers.
     
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    I don't know anything about cricket, but I'd go with Cook and Stoneman as openers. Hameed at three, Root at four.
     
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    55-5, what a shambles. Need 113 more to make them bat again and they declared in their first innings!
     
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    Groundhog Day.
     
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    I can't even be bothered to watch Bell and Trott were out before I got out of bed
     
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    25-4 wasn't it

    They'll fold for under 150
    Barker & Patel will have a quick dart and the rest will fall away without much fight like those before them.

    Farcical.
     
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    Barker was out for 0 but Patel hit 19. 50% right. This has been coming since last season really. All out of 112 in second innings. Too many people are in the last throes of their careers at the same time and the younger players have struggled to get much experience over the last few years. Whoever thought it a good Idea to let Chopra go needs sacking too.
     
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    Just looking at the table to see if we're mathematically down and ridiculously we could still theoretically finish on 122 points which would currently put us 5th!

    Something not right there if you play this badly all season and with two matches left still get enough points for mid table.
     
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    Barker was 2nd in the batting Aves coming into this game with Patel in the top 5 it's ridiculous!

    Too often in the last decade you could say bowlers have got them out the you know what with either bat or ball!
    Even the title winning season knocks by Clarke, Barker, Patel, Woakes and even Wright took them from 150-5 to 400

    Chopra asked to leave for personal reasons so can't be too hard on the club for that one.
     
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    Can't help but feel a lot of this revolves around Ashley Giles. He seems a very astute Director of Cricket and the rot appeared to set in when he left for Lancashire and maybe much of the vision and strategy left with him.
    I'm glad that he has come back, albeit too late really for this season and key decisions that maybe should have been taken a couple of years ago have only been taken this summer.
    The prospects look good, particularly in the 4 day game but at the painful cost of almost inevitable relegation.
     
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    Giles is a great addition! Massive loss the first time. My concern is with Troughton, good guy, good player and servant but to go from playing to head coaching that same set of players is a big ask! Must have been awkward the Bell situation this summer as he's Bell's brother in law.
    I like Giles in his role but I'd like an outsider as head coach but maybe having a younger coach that Giles knows allows Giles to have more input I don't know.

    Next season will be the real test as they simply have to get promoted back up.
     
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    Yep agree. I didn't know of the family connection with Bell and Troughton which is bound to lead to conflict somewhere down the line.
    Like you, I'd be in favour of bringing in an outsider as coach to work under Giles.
     
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    Bears relegation finally confirmed. 1 point in it between Yorkshire, Somerset & Middlesex with 2 to play to see who joins us in div 2 next season.

    Worcestershire promoted today good young home produced squad!
     
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    Middlesex and Yorkies the last 2 winners of the County Championship, at least we're in good company.
    Muted congratulations to Worcester with their successful squad development and the best spectator ground in the country IMO. Strugglethough to warm to Steve Rhodes who comes across as bitter and twisted when talking about the haves and have nots.
     
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    It will be interesting to see if Bell carries on, I think I have said before that I saw a member who commented that he didn't expect to see Bell end the season and that was before this one started.

    I would get rid of troughton and if they have a batting coach him as well
     
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    Guess who were 49-6 today!?

    Some knock by Jeets to get a slightly respectable score!
     
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    England should win the one dayer today surely?

    Need less than 5 an over, after West Indies posted 204.
     
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    Kiss of death right there!
     
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    Not the first time this season that one player alone has made the score respectable. Well maybe not respectable but better than the laughable total with his knock.
     
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    Such a pointless series in a Cricket sense!
    Be more benefit in having another Test but money talks.
     
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    It would be monumental if we fucked this up now!
     
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    If we hadn't dropped Gayle on nought, it would have been even more emphatic.
     
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    it was a howler but to be fair he made up for it with a cracking catch
     
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    This is a good time to play the touring teamsters they are not coping well with the colder weather
     
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    They didn't look very happy at the T20. It is a stupid idea. Even if you get away with no rain having all these day night matches when its going to be freezing is bonkers.

    Wasn't there something a few years back where counties had to bid and pay the ECB to stage internationals. Wonder if this is anything similar given that they're playing at places like Durham, Bristol and Southampton.
     
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    They looked very cold it is a summer sport, it still amazes me they only play one t20 but a load of 50 over games.

    They seem to spread them around but they should avoid the north at this time of the year.
     
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    Shouldn't be playing at all IMO. International cricket in general needs scaling back. There's so much of it nobody views it as an event anymore.
     

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