Butts Park Arena is new home (5 Viewers)

[Jack Griffin]

How does rugby have a higher profile? Most people aren't bothered about it and prefer football. Championship football is a lot more attractive and well known by the average man on the street.

Haha how many corporate tickets do the franchise sell then? How much are they raking in in ticket sales each month?

Yet again having to defend my football club on it own forum, weird.

A higher profile with people who have real money, as postulated by a rogue branch of gestalt Grendelomics.

 

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[italiahorse]

How does rugby have a higher profile? Most people aren't bothered about it and prefer football. Championship football is a lot more attractive and well known by the average man on the street.

Haha how many corporate tickets do the franchise sell then? How much are they raking in in ticket sales each month?

Yet again having to defend my football club on it own forum, weird.

Nobody is required to defend them. They are doing alright.
Unless you are defending Sisu ?
I think most realise how helpless we are in the situation.
You will need to wait for the accounts to make a judgement on incomes.

 

[tisza]

How does rugby have a higher profile? Most people aren't bothered about it and prefer football. Championship football is a lot more attractive and well known by the average man on the street.

Haha how many corporate tickets do the franchise sell then? How much are they raking in in ticket sales each month?

Yet again having to defend my football club on it own forum, weird.

this isn't an attack on the football club.
Just a bit tired of unrealistic assumptions about the realities of the financial situation. People have been through in depth over the last 18 months the finances of the championship particularly in relation to revenues.
It seems to me that a Rugby Premier club is in a live TV match either on Sky or BT sport just about every week. How many live games does the average Championship club get a season?
We weren't talking about ticket sales we were talking about corporate income.
If we are of more interest than this rugby club then why aren't we taking this corporate & sponsorship income ahead of them?
A national preference for football over rugby does not necessarily translate into revenues unless you are in the Premier League.
If you can give a sensible answer as to why we can't attract the local corporate & sponsorship interest the rugby club does then i'd be genuinely interested.
But if it's the normal defence of the weak-minded that any difficult questions about the football club & its situation must be an attack on it then just leave it:facepalm:

 

[chiefdave]

We are hardly 'off the radar'.

Of course we're off the radar. Just look at this weekend. Nice article in the Times, live match on Sky Sports. Clearly totally off the radar :facepalm:

 

[italiahorse]

Of course we're off the radar. Just look at this weekend. Nice article in the Times, live match on Sky Sports. Clearly totally off the radar :facepalm:

I'm not talking about CCFC fans seeing us, I'm talking of sponsors, advertising and hopefully new owners.
Preaching to the converted don't count but then perhaps my expectations are higher than some peoples.

 

[chiefdave]

It's a well known term that means no one other than CCFC fans are interested in us because we are at such a low level that we don't count.
Sponsors don't care because we have little coverage in national media or TV. Potential purchasers don't get the buzz out of a League One team so won't look at us.

The FL highlights show is on in prime time on Saturday night. There's loads of coverage on Sky Sports. There's been several articles about us in the national press. And the radio don't seem to shut up about us.

Rugby has a higher media profile (in particular TV coverage) than football outside the Premiership.

Not sure about that. How much coverage does even top level club rugby get on freeview channels?

It seems to me that a Rugby Premier club is in a live TV match either on Sky or BT sport just about every week. How many live games does the average Championship club get a season?

Doesn't matter how often you are on, its how many are watching. There's less rugby clubs so clearly they will be shown more often. According to BT Sports own website their record audience is 276K, the average audience for our games on Sky is 320K.

 

[Sick Boy]

There are certainly some posters with strange agendas on here.

Plenty of fans have heard about us this season, we've had more coverage than for a long time.

 

[tisza]

The FL highlights show is on in prime time on Saturday night. There's loads of coverage on Sky Sports. There's been several articles about us in the national press. And the radio don't seem to shut up about us.
Not sure about that. How much coverage does even top level club rugby get on freeview channels?
Doesn't matter how often you are on, its how many are watching. There's less rugby clubs so clearly they will be shown more often. According to BT Sports own website their record audience is 276K, the average audience for our games on Sky is 320K.

But again how often is a non-Premier league club on the tv? 15-20 second goal highlights aren't what sponsors are interested in. The football league highlights show is 72 clubs squeezed into an hour.
If we're live on Sky 2-3 times a season that's a million views and 6-7 hours primetime. A Premier rugby club match has say 100k but 25-30 times a year is far more attractive for corporate & sponsorship.

 

[chiefdave]

A Premier rugby club match has say 100k but 25-30 times a year is far more attractive for corporate & sponsorship.

They only play 22 games so each club can't be on 25-30 times a year!

 

[Sick Boy]

Come on Dave. Why let the facts get in the way of a bit of franchise PR?

 

[tisza]

They only play 22 games so each club can't be on 25-30 times a year!

my understanding is these clubs have 22 league games and about 6 european games broadcast.

 

[Hobo]

The Butt's is big enough to allow expansion for Coventry Rugby Club but not Coventry City FC. The land available in Chace Avenue where they have knocked down Chace Hostel is much larger.

 

[stupot07]

my understanding is these clubs have 22 league games and about 6 european games broadcast.

Every teams has every league game broadcast?


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[tisza]

Come on Dave. Why let the facts get in the way of a bit of franchise PR?

you obviously have the attention span of a goldfish. this part of thread development came about when the grown-ups were discussing bond financing in relation to the Ricoh and possible new stadium finances. Nothing to do in particular with Wasps except as a relative comparison in the financial health of the 2 sports currently relevant to the Ricoh.
as someone who co-owned a sports tv production & marketing company dealing with European rights for several sports inc. premier league and football league I think the questions I've asked are pertinent and relevant.
again if it needs saying as i've said many times before I don't have any interest in Wasps or attending a rugby match at the Ricoh. If i want to watch rugby i'll go and watch my nephews play.

 

[Grendel]

my understanding is these clubs have 22 league games and about 6 european games broadcast.

How can every rugby game be screened live?

 

[tisza]

Every teams has every league game broadcast?


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don't have BT sport but i've been told there are live or delayed showings of nearly all the matches. all european games are broadcast somewhere live - not just in the uk.
this is again drifting off topic which was whether we are "off the radar" as someone stated and would a return to the campionship put us "back on the radar" and lead to an improvement in our overall situation re: stadiums, investment etc. Also someone had stated that as the local football club we should be maximising local corporate & sponsorship opportunities/revenues so why aren't we?
then as usual it digressed to being a thread about wasps rather than what we are or aren't doing.

 

[stupot07]

don't have BT sport but i've been told there are live or delayed showings of nearly all the matches. all european games are broadcast somewhere live - not just in the uk.
this is again drifting off topic which was whether we are "off the radar" as someone stated and would a return to the campionship put us "back on the radar" and lead to an improvement in our overall situation re: stadiums, investment etc. Also someone had stated that as the local football club we should be maximising local corporate & sponsorship opportunities/revenues so why aren't we?
then as usual it digressed to being a thread about wasps rather than what we are or aren't doing.

I agree that championship football won't cure our ills nor bring in money for a new stadium but I do think you're getting hung up on British viewing when it comes to Premier Rugby vs Championship football. Championship football has a far more global appeal to top flight rugby.

There's a list of countries that have had championship football rights on this wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Championship

Whereas the rugby wiki page it seems is just UK, Australia and America



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[tisza]

I agree that championship football won't cure our ills nor bring in money for a new stadium but I do think you're getting hung up on British viewing when it comes to Premier Rugby vs Championship football. Championship football has a far more global appeal to top flight rugby.

There's a list of countries that have had championship football rights on this wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Championship

Whereas the rugby wiki page it seems is just UK, Australia and America



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it's not really about viewing figures as such but was about the local profile of both clubs and why we in particular seem to struggle with attracting quality local sponsorship & corporate revenue. The example highlighted was the difficulty in even attracting shirt sponsors at times. And is Wasps "debatable" higher media profile,for example, drawing those revenues away from the club?

 

[stupot07]

it's not really about viewing figures as such but was about the local profile of both clubs and why we in particular seem to struggle with attracting quality local sponsorship & corporate revenue. The example highlighted was the difficulty in even attracting shirt sponsors at times. And is Wasps "debatable" higher media profile,for example, drawing those revenues away from the club?

I won't argue with that, been saying wasps being here will limit is for years to come. The city can barely support 1 sports team without having another high profile team to compete with.

Looks like about 10-12k there today.

I would be interested to know how much Land Rover are paying to sponsor wasps, as wasps needed it to help their "local" identity, they may not be receiving that much money from it.

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[Paxman II]

I find myself agreeing with Italia a lot here.
My point was that money talks and if we were suddenly thrust into two promotions on the bounce and the money of the premier league I would sit back and see just how WASP are going to deal with that? They are a top side at what they do. yet they can't fill the Ricoh and will continue to seeks ways to survive at the Ricoh without the football club as part of that strategy.
The pendulum will swing eventually and they will be aware of that. If they could set a deal up ahead of time with the football club then happy days for all. BUT they won't want this with SISU. Let SISU have the rights to part company with CCFC with the Ricoh attached either as part owners for new CCFC owners or some other deal suitable to both sides.
I could even see WASP selling and making considerable money from it - they bought well.
A Rugby franchise is easily moved (as witnessed) but the football club with the name Coventry City definitely not!
watch this space as they say in the years to come. I don't think we will have too many to wait.

 

[stupot07]

Unfortunately we are very very unlikely to achieve back to back promotions, we just don't have the financial clout to put a championship promotion pushing team together.

We need a better plan for the future than fluking a promotion to the PL.

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[italiahorse]

Unfortunately we are very very unlikely to achieve back to back promotions, we just don't have the financial clout to put a championship promotion pushing team together.

We need a better plan for the future than fluking a promotion to the PL.

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There is no better plan, There is no sugar daddy.
Do we give up ?
No, we take a step at a time and the first step is getting out this horrible league. The second is making sure we never come back.

 

[stupot07]

There is no better plan, There is no sugar daddy.
Do we give up ?
No, we take a step at a time and the first step is getting out this horrible league. The second is making sure we never come back.

Unfortunately a Ricoh deal with limited access to revenues makes it almost a certainty we will return within a season or two, that's what happens when your turnovers/revenues limited to one of the lowest in the league...like you say there's no sugar daddy.



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[Paxman II]

You are right Stu, there is no sugar daddy - for now. get to the big time and all that can change very quickly. Ask Bournemouth, Southampton about promotion possibilities?
I'm not saying we will win back to back promotions, it may take longer and there is no certainty we will go up this season either but there is no question about how quick things can change when that promotion happens. I would not bet against us going up this season or next. My point is revenue streams will have to be changed with WASP if they want to keep us at the Ricoh. There is a quid quo pro in there somewhere. It just wouldn't make sense not to explore that by either side. I would agree though that will have to include a change in the football clubs ownership because SISU will never be trusted in any such venture. But just imagine their get out was to hand over shared ownership of the Ricoh for a big fat cheque from the football clubs new owners? I really believe this may be the eventual outcome or something similar unless of course WASP decide to bail.

 

[Nick]

Didn't bournemouth and saints have rich owners that got them promoted?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

sorry based on what?
Rugby has a higher media profile (in particular TV coverage) than football outside the Premiership. More attractive to sponsors. Also rugby seems to have a different sponsorship base to football anyway.
My understanding was the Wasps corporate hospitality etc. was selling better than the football club's.
Which major employers/businesses in the Coventry area have significant sponsorship or financial relationships with the football club? WHy do we find it so difficult to even find a decent long-term shirt sponsor?

Absolute bollocks, pretty much any championship football club is higher profile than premiership rugby.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Here is a list of how often teams have appeared on sky (excluding play offs) and viewing figures, also take note the figure are a year old now.

The average viewing audience for an aviva premiership match on tv is 118k, as you can see even matches including tinpot clubs like Crawley, Burton and Fleetwood attract more television viewers than premiership Rugby.

 

[Sick Boy]

Didn't bournemouth and saints have rich owners that got them promoted?

Stop talking sense...

 

[Astute]

Southampton were not that good before they got a decent owner.

We were not that good when we got SISU.

 

[Flying Fokker]

I find myself agreeing with Italia a lot here.
My point was that money talks and if we were suddenly thrust into two promotions on the bounce and the money of the premier league I would sit back and see just how WASP are going to deal with that? They are a top side at what they do. yet they can't fill the Ricoh and will continue to seeks ways to survive at the Ricoh without the football club as part of that strategy.
The pendulum will swing eventually and they will be aware of that. If they could set a deal up ahead of time with the football club then happy days for all. BUT they won't want this with SISU. Let SISU have the rights to part company with CCFC with the Ricoh attached either as part owners for new CCFC owners or some other deal suitable to both sides.
I could even see WASP selling and making considerable money from it - they bought well.
A Rugby franchise is easily moved (as witnessed) but the football club with the name Coventry City definitely not!
watch this space as they say in the years to come. I don't think we will have too many to wait.

Promotions to the Prem should bring hope to many city fans. One season is enough to pay off the current owners. But, we then become bigger and a cash cow for them to milk providing we stay up. If not...I hope SISU have some real city fans in the mix. I think there may even be some local (Fans with a passion for The Sky Blues and also businessmen) investors in there already.

 

[Sick Boy]

Southampton were not that good before they got a decent owner.

We were not that good when we got SISU.

I seem to remember the majority actually laughing at Southampton for turning sisu down....still 'the experts' know best...

 

[Flying Fokker]

No Butts Park Arena for me thanks.

On whether City will be a the Ricoh for long. I want them to be. Not looking forward to other options that may come to the table.

Rugby fans don't seem to think city are welcome at the Ricoh anyway. Mainly due to the court case...But probably underpinned by a general view that the stadium is a rugby venue and the fans don't want football there. They know how to raise finance and put on a show. Why would they need city's money?

 

[stupot07]

Didn't bournemouth and saints have rich owners that got them promoted?

Yes Southampton had the second biggest wage bill in the league (£29m) and Bournemouth spent £15m getting out of league one, £10.5m in their first season in the championship and I'm sure when finances are released they will have spent c£15m last season in their promotion season - that's c£40m in 3 years from a sugar daddy.

Don't worry though we will have no problem in getting promotion with little access to revenues, one of the lowest turnovers in the championship, and an owner who isn't a sugar daddy.

And this talk of shared ownership is forgetting wasps (Not ACL) are using it as £42m security. Selling half of the Ricoh to the football club will impact on the security of the bonds. OSB has made several posts reasoning why wasps won't sell shares, won't buy the football club and don't particularly need the club at the Ricoh.

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[torchomatic]

No Butts Park Arena for me thanks.

On whether City will be a the Ricoh for long. I want them to be. Not looking forward to other options that may come to the table.

Rugby fans don't seem to think city are welcome at the Ricoh anyway. Mainly due to the court case...But probably underpinned by a general view that the stadium is a rugby venue and the fans don't want football there. They know how to raise finance and put on a show. Why would they need city's money?

Maybe because attendances are dropping and they have to pay back that bond. They need us alright.

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[stupot07]

No Butts Park Arena for me thanks.

On whether City will be a the Ricoh for long. I want them to be. Not looking forward to other options that may come to the table.

Rugby fans don't seem to think city are welcome at the Ricoh anyway. Mainly due to the court case...But probably underpinned by a general view that the stadium is a rugby venue and the fans don't want football there. They know how to raise finance and put on a show. Why would they need city's money?

Did they really say that?


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