Butts park arena? (32 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

They have an underground. They can park anywhere outside London and train in.

Which tube station do you get off at for the Etihad?

 

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[Otis]

My daughter's best friend's dad is an ardent Cov fan and he was saying they were indeed expected to be right up there challenging for promotion, so the season was a big disappointment.

 

[hill83]

Wanting to hear plans and figures before getting behind it, how dare you Tony.

Well I'm definitely behind the concept. Which until we hear more is all it is.

The nature of this forum is as always causing people to exaggerate on both sides.

The 'it's all bollocks' brigade and the people already queuing up outside the Butts.

 

[chiefdave]

But as I say, NOW the trend is to expand. Wasn't back then for the majority of clubs.

Of course at some point, if this is going to move forward, we will need to see the actual plans and how it all stacks up against staying at the Ricoh. From what we know at the moment being at the Ricoh we're looking at lower end Championship at the best.

If this move would mean upper end Championship occasional PL then why not go for it. Of course we'd all love a 50K stadium that was sold out every week while performing like Southampton or Leicester but that might not be a viable option moving forward.

 

[skybluetony176]

Would people agree it would have to be expandable to 25,000 to be anything like a goer?

15,000 in the Championship would leave us one of the poorer boys in terms of comparable success for revenue.

25,000 would be fine for the Championship, but wouldn't be good enough for us to make any real indentation in the Premier I wouldn't have thought.

CRC have said in so many words that 25,000 is too big for them, so CCFC would have to make a very long term commitment.

Where would we like to see the club in 10-15 years? Challenging perhaps for a Europa League place like Southampton?

I just wish the Butts had more scope for expansion. Doesn't have to be immediate, but for the future and seasons to come should this club of ours enjoys period of success.

I'd be happy with 25k but just do it in the first place and future proof the place. You can also guarantee that building it at 25K will be considerably cheaper in the long run than building it 15k and expanding to 25k when promoted. When you couple that into lost ticket revenue while said expansion is taking place it adds up even less. Probably why MK Dons built a ground but only seated half of it until the requirement was there.

 

[hill83]

I'm not saying I don't. Mincing around Butts does have a good ring about it though

 

[ccfc92]

Would people agree it would have to be expandable to 25,000 to be anything like a goer?

15,000 in the Championship would leave us one of the poorer boys in terms of comparable success for revenue.

25,000 would be fine for the Championship, but wouldn't be good enough for us to make any real indentation in the Premier I wouldn't have thought.

CRC have said in so many words that 25,000 is too big for them, so CCFC would have to make a very long term commitment.

Where would we like to see the club in 10-15 years? Challenging perhaps for a Europa League place like Southampton?

I just wish the Butts had more scope for expansion. Doesn't have to be immediate, but for the future and seasons to come should this club of ours enjoys period of success.

Thing is with expansion, say we had the BPA set up right now with 15K capacity, that's great for us now. Then we get Villa or someone at home, we'd be missing out on revenue.

The other thing is, again hypothetically, we have a 15K BPA right now, we get promoted this season, and go up to Ch'ship. We then start planning permission to expand etc, but get relegated back to L1, so cancel it. It's not like upgrading on a computer game, it takes years to upgrade a stadium, and in that time we are missing out on revenue, when we desperately need it to keep at the level we need the bigger stadium, but can easily get relegated again in that time.

 

[chiefdave]

I'd go and have a sit down if I were you Dave.... I said "Original flounce" by Fisher on leaving for Northampton. The Football League told SISU any "New Stadium" had to be built within 8 miles of Earl Street, which if I'm not mistaken is in the centre of Coventry. Those quotes I've made are from the time of leaving the Ricoh.

What are you actually complaining about? You started off having a dig that Fisher had said it would be under RBC (which can still be within 8 miles), to Fisher having said we couldn't build a new stadium in Coventry (which isn't what is being proposed). At no point, as far as I'm aware, has a new stadium been proposed that doesn't comply with the FL requirement.

 

[torchomatic]

Thing is with expansion, say we had the BPA set up right now with 15K capacity, that's great for us now. Then we get Villa or someone at home, we'd be missing out on revenue.

The other thing is, again hypothetically, we have a 15K BPA right now, we get promoted this season, and go up to Ch'ship. We then start planning permission to expand etc, but get relegated back to L1, so cancel it. It's not like upgrading on a computer game, it takes years to upgrade a stadium, and in that time we are missing out on revenue, when we desperately need it to keep at the level we need the bigger stadium, but can easily get relegated again in that time.

So "if" and "hypothetically"?

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[The Lurker]

Which tube station do you get off at for the Etihad?

Don't they have a tram line from the centre of Manchester that runs past the etihad?

 

[chiefdave]

Then we get Villa or someone at home, we'd be missing out on revenue.

So what size stadium do we build? Remember the club saying they could have sold the stadium out more than one for the JPT game? What if we get Chelsea in the cup and could sell 100K, do we build a stadium big enough for that?

 

[Buster]

Just seen the piece on bbc Midlands . Pictures of the Ricoh and then on to the Butts stadium !
Embarrassing . Villa have just been bought by the Chinese, wonder if their fans would contemplate such a thing .
It's all about ambition and balls . Our owners have neither

 

[The Lurker]

It's quite bizarre posters are talking like they know the facts.

No planning permission has been approved yet so no-one knows anything yet. I for one doesn't think it'll happen. Too many obstacles in the way including funding the proposed stadium. Cov rugby can't afford it and can we?

 

[skybluetony176]

Just to add. I'm not concerned about the car parking issue. Like has been said there's some capacity in the city centre, park and ride possibilities even the standards place next door has some parking that might be negotiable on match days. Has the old colleges car park been developed yet? Is that a possibility?

Personally I'll do what I did in HR days. Get on the train and then walk to the ground from the train station. Even closer than HR and to top it off Rugby is supposed to be getting a second station not too far from my house as part of the radio mask development. It should be finished before any Butts redevelopment. I'll have to pass two pubs going and coming back too

 

[chiefdave]

It's all about ambition and balls . Our owners have neither

So what do you suggest? The Ricoh is gone. CCC have said there is no possible site for a new stadium within the city boundary.

So we either stay at the Ricoh as tenants, move somewhere like the Butts or move out of the city.

Nobody is saying lets start playing at the Butts as it is now next season. Lets look at all the options and see what works out best.

 

[oldfiver]

If it happens its a great idea
But
It will require more than just building a stadium. There will need to be infra structure improvements, road improvements etc. Improvements to bus and rail links coincide with match days or are viable 7 days per week. Yes it will bring people in to the City which is good news, but sorry CD it is going to need new car parking the existing 8000 you identify wont be enough to take the extra traffic imo.

I know Jon S says it will be all private money but I do not see how it will be given the other issues to be addressed. That could add massively to the total cost. Who is expected to build say the extra car parking?


The car parking is a red herring it does not need to be "on site" car parking - the Ricoh is evidence of that

 

[chiefdave]

Too many obstacles in the way including funding the proposed stadium. Cov rugby can't afford it and can we?

Could always get a loan off CCC.

 

[skybluetony176]

Wanting to hear plans and figures before getting behind it, how dare you Tony.

I know. It's almost like the clubs future is the most important thing to me in all of this

 

[Hobo]

So "if" and "hypothetically"?

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Yep exactly where we are at.

 

[hill83]

I know. It's almost like the clubs future is the most important thing to me in all of this

It's a close third behind getting likes and winning the thread.

 

[skybluetony176]

So "if" and "hypothetically"?

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The whole thing is if's and buts at the moment. Or is that if's and butts?

 

[ccfclinney]

You can't plan for the one or 2 games a season that you might draw man united in the fa cup and you would get 50,000. you have to plan it on averages and the fact we havent averaged over 15,500 for 5/6 speaks volumes ...15k is plenty for a couple of years to build up more funds to expand etc!
just like mk dons have done

 

[Hobo]

(Genuinely) would you like to give a bit more detail and a spot of context?

The other thing is, certain backroom staff....okay might not be right people to take us to next level? But their long services deserved recognition!

 

[The Lurker]

Could always get a loan off CCC.

Lol just like Ricoh. Just can't see it happening

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Came into the thread too late - but I think this is a tactic to scare the Wasps owners into thinking we are leaving and achieving a better deal with them. Can't believe that SISU are going to invest much into converting The Butts. If they came up with a 25k stadium I'd support them doing it - but I just can't see them doing it. I think this is a veiled threat before negotiations with Wasps. I also had a smile when I heard it was about 3 years away (everything always seems to be about 3 weeks/months/years away with our 'owners'!!)

{P.S. I've lost 800 likes and am now bordering on feeling unloved. I'll have to ask Grendel how to beg for them back!!)

 

[Buster]

So what do you suggest? The Ricoh is gone. CCC have said there is no possible site for a new stadium within the city boundary.

So we either stay at the Ricoh as tenants, move somewhere like the Butts or move out of the city.

Nobody is saying lets start playing at the Butts as it is now next season. Lets look at all the options and see what works out best.

Stay at the Ricoh on a long term negotiated deal . Stay close to Wasps in case they fail so we can step in . Give Mobray some funds to get out of this division . Get closer to the fans and talk . Learn how to work with people rather than try and batter them in court . All pretty obvious stuff really .

 

[The Lurker]

Stay at the Ricoh on a long term negotiated deal . Stay close to Wasps in case they fail so we can step in . Give Mobray some funds to get out of this division . Get closer to the fans and talk . Learn how to work with people rather than try and batter them in court . All pretty obvious stuff really .

Exactly I would rather the millions spent on a new ground spent on getting us in the championship. Earlier in the season when we were top we got 17k! The fan base is there if we're succeeding on the pitch. Invest in the team not a new ground! Simples

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

It's quite bizarre posters are talking like they know the facts.

No planning permission has been approved yet so no-one knows anything yet. I for one doesn't think it'll happen. Too many obstacles in the way including funding the proposed stadium. Cov rugby can't afford it and can we?

Don't worry Lurker, they're going to put a LIDL next to it who'll pay for most of it (though that and having a Community gym will reduce the capacity by 10,000 - - it's called vision?!?!)

 

[The Lurker]

Don't worry Lurker, they're going to put a LIDL next to it who'll pay for most of it (though that and having a Community gym will reduce the capacity by 10,000 - - it's called vision?!?!)

lol that's enough point most have failed to pick up on. Where is this leisure complex going to be built. Hardly enough room to expand the ground let alone build anything extra aside it

 

[Steve.B50]

In the modern game it does not really matter about how big your stadium is most of the revenue comes from TV money at the higher end, look at Bournemouth?

 

[martcov]

Yep. Went in the West End and the Kop and the sound just didn't reverberate around the stadium well at all.

There were also restricted views in the West Stand and M&B Stand too.

Yes, but those days standing in the West End had atmosphere - and the restricted view didn't matter, to me at least, but, I was younger then and prefer sitting in the Ricoh nowadays ..

 

[Nick]

In the modern game it does not really matter about how big your stadium is most of the revenue comes from TV money at the higher end, look at Bournemouth?

Don't they have billionaire owners too?

 

[martcov]

In the modern game it does not really matter about how big your stadium is most of the revenue comes from TV money at the higher end, look at Bournemouth?

It matters if you cannot get in to see your team...

 

[Buster]

In the modern game it does not really matter about how big your stadium is most of the revenue comes from TV money at the higher end, look at Bournemouth?

It doesn't matter about match day revenue then? That seals it , we stay at the Ricoh!

 

[Nick]

It matters if you cannot get in to see your team...

But it only seems like people who don't currently go are bothered?