torchomatic
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Shit. Now I am worried. Knowing how SISU operate it wouldn't surprise me if Mowbray became manager of Rotherham and Reading. Bastards.
Mowbrey and Venus (37 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Kid
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Or he could go back to making delicious Pork Pies again
Samo
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Do you still maintain that 'thousands' believe every word SISU say? Yes or No?
Sky Blue Kid
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With quotes like that made by Ranjit Bhurpa. I will say there are thousands that think the same way. Don't you?
chiefdave
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Indeed it doesn't. At least not in the short term. But what about longer term? Wasps could whack the rent up and more seasons in L1 or promotions and relegations between L1 and Championship could lead to a slowly declining average attendance. With our reliance on ticketing revenues how long before that leads to us struggling to compete in L1?
Samo
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In the absence of a straight answer and bearing in mind your limitations I will leave the 'debate' at this point.
mark82
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Not really unhinged, and we are well off topic now. What he says is right though, the quickest way to a positive outcome would be for ccfc/Sisu to win their court cases.
mark82
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I don't think he implied he either loves Sisu or believes everything they say.
Ranjit Bhurpa
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For the record, I was in full agreement with the comment " as far as court goes, I don't believe a word SISU say but I'd love them to screw CCC in court".
Whatever the recent off-field history of the Club and the parts played by all parties, that's what it is - history. It's happene. Given where we are are, right now, today with seemingly ongoing litigation, I believe that only a Sisu win in court would bring any possible benefits to CCFC the football club.
For the record, I was agreeing with Samo's point "as far as court goes, I don't believe a word SISU say but I'd love them to screw CCC in court".
Given all that has gone on and as we sit here right now, today, I believe only a SISU victory would bring any sort of benefit to CCFC the football club. Couldn't really give a flying monkey's about the politics involved, I'm solely concerned with the future of CCFC.
Sky Blue Kid
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Cheeky fuck. I answered your question, but due to your "Limitations" failed to answer mine!.. QUOTE[Or do you think any of those 3 points I made are lies?]UNQUOTE
Sky Blue Kid
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Why?... At least give a reason/s rather than "I want to see SISU screw CCC in court!".......... Have you not thought because SISU were CCC's outright winner to take over the Ricoh why CCC turned so dramatically against them? Could it possibly be that they are a bunch of lying f**kbutts? That from the onset only ever wanted to get the Ricoh for nowt? Nobody does a 180 degree turn for no reason!
Nick
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Probably around the time they suddenly showed an interest in the Ricoh.
The same way Manhattan and Shapiro were "scared off".
Sky Blue Kid
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Ah so you think they didn't do "Due Dilligence" or only ever wanted the Ricoh for nothing?
Nick
Administrator
Nope, I think you have taken me pointing out the time things went sour and then randomly turned that to a completely different question.
Sky Blue Kid
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Let me put it another way then Nick.. If SISU saw what Manhattan and Shapiro had seen and were "Scared off" why weren't they?
Nick
Administrator
Because their bid for the club didn't depend on parts of the Ricoh like the others did it?
But anyway, back on topic to Mowbray and Venus going.
They seem to think Venus will be his assistant, bit strange.
Sky Blue Kid
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If they do go it proves one of two things. Either TM and MV know something we all don't about our future and are "Rats deserting a sinking ship" or SISU have lied about budgets and don't give a s**t.
Colin Steins Smile
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At least we don't need to worry about "pissing money away" not being promoted to the Premier league. There's no chance of any serous money coming TM way
1ccfc
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Or maybe they want to manage at a higher level, probably earning more money!
Sky Blue Kid
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You mean they have no morals or scruples, and contracts mean "Jack s**t"Or maybe they want to manage at a higher level, probably earning more money!
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Well they have learnt from the bestYou mean they have no morals or scruples, and contracts mean "Jack s**t"
Nick
Administrator
Or they want to make more money and be closer to home, like most people.
All of this making stories up is getting really boring and surprisingly getting more and more common recently.
1ccfc
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So any player or manager who leaves before their contract ends has 'no morals or scruples'? If they were to leave SISU would have granted permission for them to talk with another club and allow them to leave subject to compensation. Would you not leave your job for a role you thought better with more money?You mean they have no morals or scruples, and contracts mean "Jack s**t"
robbiekeane
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Did you read anything anyone said relating to that post you quoted? If you look at Bournemouth alone then yes it's a fantastic idea to inject ~£50 million into a club over a few years. If you look at it as a whole its a pretty shitty "investment", which is why it's a stupid thing to moan about lack of "investment".
robbiekeane
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Right, so every single club who have invested heavily and not made the promised land have made poor investment decisions? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
3 people can get promoted, 3 people get relegated (championship). There are more clubs with owners investing money hoping they hit the big time, than there are premier league places. It's just maths tbf
mark82
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Remember the days when you could almost guarantee promotion in the Championship by spending £1million. Parachute payments have ruined the league. Those payments should be shared amongst all FL teams. Anyway, I digress.
Sky Blue Kid
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Jock Stein once said to me(Yes! Jock Stein)When I was at Raith, just before injury ended my career "The life of a footballer is a very short lived thing. Managers however, have a longevity where a good living can be had so anything you start you should do you best to finish" He was manager at Celtic for about 12-13 years and Scotland manager from the late 70's for approximately 7-8 years till he died at Ninian park in Cardiff in(I think 1985 or 86).... The essence of that is... "No Loyalty nowadays "
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Sky Blue Kid
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Nobody is saying that mate. But at least they've "Had a go" The chances of doing a Blackpool in the future(Getting to the premier league by spending f**k all) is slimmer than "Flattened roadkill" Which just about sums up our owners
Sky Blue Kid
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That's bang on right Nick... "We had a go for years" in the early 60's and like you said "Look where it got us" The top flight for 34 years, which I invested in with ST's and travelling to away games every other week, buying Bobble hats, scarves, rattles, and the ocassional team shirt(None of this buying a new one because the sponsors changed the kit more often than their grits.) Don't let the personal attack of yours get in the way of facts though Nick eh?
Ranjit Bhurpa
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Slightly off topic but to answer your question SBK - as I have already stated, whatever your view of history we cannot change it. Whether they are 'a bunch of lying f**kbutts' or indeed the Council are is largely irrelevant right now. Unless any of us here are key players in this saga, we can only offer opinions or speculate.
Whether we like it or not, Sisu/Otium own CCFC the Club.I can't imagine that CCC, Wasps or whoever else are currently acting in the best interests of CCFC whatsoever. Victory in court for Sisu and a financial settlement in their favour might hasten their departure, it might prompt them to invest in the Butts project, it might prompt them to increase the playing budget. Lots of might's and maybe's but I don't think a victory for CCC would offer any of these possibilities.
So given where we are today with this ongoing litigation and in the scenario offered by Samo, I would hope that Sisu are at some stage victorious in the court case(s).
MatthewWallis
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What would we actually talk about if we had decent owners?
Anyway can we get back on topic? Poor TM is waiting to find out today whether he has the job!
Anyway can we get back on topic? Poor TM is waiting to find out today whether he has the job!
eastwoodsdustman
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In most peoples eyes we'll never have decent owners unless they're spunking £50 mill a season into us.
Sky Blue Kid
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Is that a fact? or just your opinion?
chiefdave
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IMO there needs to be huge changes in football. I just can't see how the current setup can be sustained. Until there is a setup that removes parachute payments and forces all clubs to be self sustaining football will remain in a mess with numerous clubs struggling to pay the bills.
Personally I'd have a wage cap and floor in each division and fixed squad sizes. If you get promoted and can't afford to pay the wage floor you don't go up, same as if your ground isn't up to standard.