Nick
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really? Like you read the thread about the wasps agreement to come here before strangely trying to divert it.
Just before even more news that weakens one of the points even more comes out.
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Just before even more news that weakens one of the points even more comes out.
Right - you're saying that all sides need to be hammered, but when it's highlighted that promises haven't been kept to on both sides this is suddenly a huge issue.
Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up!
Yes they can do PR, but it helps if there is something positive to do PR about. All for that. Just waiting or rather hoping, that SISU offer something - commitment, conciliatory gesture, support for the culture City application - anything positive to use as pr.
Nick
Administrator
Because within a few minutes of something being pointed out about Wasps it is being turned around...again.
Can you really not see that? You were the one on here saying Wasps fans should be able to post on here as it isn't against the rules.
It's a joke, no other set of fans would be applauded by people like Wasps fans for sticking up for them.
Nick
Administrator
You mean like the PR that was done leading up to the positive news about the Higgs? It doesn't have to be positive for PR.
rupert_bear
Well-Known Member
I believe Paul Breed's version of events re correspondence are somewhat different to Mr. Anderson's and that's the problem. We get to hear what the parties involved want us to hear, don't know Mr Breed as for Anderson and who
He works for I wouldn't trust either as far as I can spit.
He works for I wouldn't trust either as far as I can spit.
Why was it only being pointed out about Wasps? That's the point you're blissfully ignoring.
All sides should be hammered, but let's only point out the failures of one side to stick to their word. Really!
You also tried to make out the suggestion that SISU would build a stadium was said years ago, but 'forgot' about the minuted meeting Fisher had with RBC last March.
You keep referring back to my saying about Wasps fans should be allowed to post here - oddly the 'glitch' in the system happened exactly the same day preventing me from posting here for over six months! - and despite how you've decided to process it, the whole conversation spiralled downwards with people trying to jump on my left, right and centre so I just played along, I accept not my finest moment.
I'm sure you'll tell me this isn't what my intention was, as you seem to have this fantastic ability to know what people actually mean - which I seem to recall was one of the driving factors of that situation last September before the 'glitch' developed! - but you'd be wrong.
It appears you think I'm Team Wasps - this is utter nonsense (I'll await your reply saying that it's clear this is the case, make reference to posts from last September or my Twitter account which you've taken upon yourself to go through with a fine tooth comb).
My position is to look at the situation objectively and from where I'm standing all the other parties have just got on with business whilst SISU have stood still and now their plans have fallen flat they're having to play catch up.
The negotiations around Ricoh and Higgs should have started twelve months ago (before you try making the point, no I'm not saying this definitely would have all gone swimmingly) but in that twelve months the other parties have moved forward.
There seems to be this opinion, which even Anderson has stated, that the other parties should have also stood still until SISU decided what they wanted to do.
This isn't how good business works.
SISU are masters of negative PR, look where it has got us. In a corner looking like losers. IMo we have to change takt and do something which shows we are an integral part of the Coventry sports szene. JRs and weak leadership don't get us anywhere. Put something on the table. Send CA back to writing books and bring in someone with charisma and balls who we can get behind.
Nick
Administrator
Are they? With a massive helping hand from ACL and Higgs on the negative PR front you mean?
It is still strange that CCFC fans lap up the PR of a London Rugby team or a stadium management company just so they can use it as a stick to beat their football club with.
Nick
Administrator
Your posts do come across very much as "Team Wasps", I am sure many would agree even Wasps fans.
Why would you put it on a Wasps thread? The best idea would be to have a thread about each running, it was quite obvious what you were trying to do.
I am not really that stupid to fall for the "point out where I said" stuff when it is quite clear what you were insinuating.
I didn't go through your Twitter account with a fine tooth comb, I just had a look for the bit where you were ripping Les reid to shreds about the Butts announcement...
What have SISU achieved as a positive for the club, fans or city in the last two years?
Nick
Administrator
The last two years, not too much. There was a sniff of a chance of promotion and success last year.
Maybe if they move us to a stadium 80 odd miles away we can call our own it can be seen as a positive by the club and a fresh start?
Still, just because we haven't been promoted (like lots of other teams) why does it mean it makes it ok for city fans to fall for the pr crap that other people put out?
The PR leading up to this last charade was blatant, it was obvious something was going to come out.
The best example was a guy on Twitter (not you), when the news of Wasps was out he was going mental, FUCK OFF WASPS, all sorts. Absolutely outraged. 2 articles in the telegraph later and he is an actual Wasps fan preaching to everybody else.
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What you mean is that you can't because I didn't say it.
However, yet again you're able to demonstrate your fantastic ability to actually know what people mean better than they do!
My posts contain all of the information I want to get across - just because you take more from them or try and put another slant on them is your doing, but please don't try and tell me what I'm thinking or trying to get say.
Nick
Administrator
No, it is being able to see what people are trying to get across. I can try and put something across or insinuate but not actually say those exact words and then just reply.
If Wasps fans are congratulating you on sticking up for them on a CCFC forum (if they are) then surely they must be seeing the same thing.
The question has to be asked why you made a post about Wasps in the CCFC forum.
Nick, however you try and dress this up your are 100% incorrect.
My posts aren't trying to insinuate anything - please don't try and make out you know more about my intentions that I do.
Try actually reading my comments in future and replying to the points I've made rather than what you think I'm trying to say.
Nick
Administrator
Did you miss the point about Coventry City in there and it affecting us? It was CCFC related because it was promised CCFC wouldn't be affected, which quite clearly they are.
That is why it was on the CCFC Forum and that is why it was 100% relevant.
Nick
Administrator
Maybe you should be a bit clearer, as it sometimes reads different. (not all of the time)
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You seem very keen on following local councillors on twitter - just saying.
And my post was about how the broken promise by SISU have impacted on CCFC so also in the correct forum and 100% relevant.
Nick
Administrator
Yes, but not relevant to the thread. So you should have started a new thread with it...
Otherwise if somebody says "the wasps move was based on x y and z" and it is now showing to be untrue and not kept to and then a city fan storms in and says "yes but ccfc have not kept to the promise of a b and c" it certainly looks strange as a first thought. Why would somebody think "I know, to answer something Wasps and the council bullshitted on, I am going to have more goes at the club".
Astute
Well-Known Member
There has been bullshit given by all sides.
No, no, no!
If you need clarification around my points, you ask for that clarification.
You don't reply based on what you 'think' I was trying to say.
That's just not how conversation either online or face-to-face work.
You appear (in my opinion, I'd would state it as fact!) that you start reading anything I write with the prerequisite that it's having a dig at CCFC/SISU and supporting Wasps.
You (in my opinion) then decide that I'm trying to say something else or add an additional slant to it and reply based on this rather than my actual points.
What I'm trying to say or get across is there front and centre in the text - don't try and imply otherwise as you're wrong. Fact.
I'll await the 'it's obvious that's what you're doing' reply - nope, still wrong.
Absolutely 100% correct.
Nick
Administrator
Nope, if it was for anything you write then I would have said it for things where you were talking about planning where you obviously know what you are talking about with it.
It is just the fact of the way you say things and the time you say things. IE in reply to somebody pointing something out with Wasps and then you saying something aimed at CCFC.
Maybe it is. But, I am not interested in Wasps or ACL. My complaint is that we lack leadership, vision, commitment etc.. The others appear to have some of those things, but it is not up to them to address our problems. I thought we may see a change with CA, but he has disappointed. I just cannot see him getting things done. Maybe he has analysed the situation and has an idea what we need, but he has missed the boat here. A couple of emails and a chat is not good enough. We have been outmanouevered. His analogy of people in rented accomodation being compared to the Higgs/ CSF commercial rental agreement due to expire is an awful excuse for CCFC not having covered the possibilty of Wasps nipping in ( even posters on here saw that coming ). IMO he should go and we ( CCFC ) would be better served by someone with Charisma and authority from Tim and Joy to bring everyone to the table - possibly offering dropping one of the JRs as a carrot. It is SISU's move now and well meaning "pressure" may help, but will not be enough alone to get out of this hole.
Take your tinfoil hat off for two minutes.
The thread was about broken promises, so was relevant.
However you'd decided to focus purely on those of Wasps - why?
I thought all sides needed hammering?
Why didn't you start a thread pointing out the broken promises of SISU or have the thread covering both?
Right - can you decide if it the timing of the posts, the lack of clarity in the posts or it being obvious what I mean, despite the text not actually saying that.
I get the feeling you're getting your conspiracy theories muddled up.
Nick
Administrator
What's the problem with a thread focused on Wasps and their promises and how it is damaging on CCFC?
Pretty sure there are a few about SISU damaging on here aren't there?
See now you aren't actually saying you have an issue with it being pointed out, but the way you are going on and the way you replied to it makes it look as if you have an issue with it. The same way on Twitter a random person makes a comment about Wasps attendances and you fly in there as well. Why would you?
No conspiracy theory there, just common sense.
I am very cynical, but being that way helped me spot the PR firing up before this latest thing happened and I must have been close to the bone because I got my own abuse package for it.
The Reverend Skyblue
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armybike , why do you follow councilors on Twitter ,either you are incredibly sad and lonely, or you have a pro wasps agenda, as all Cov councilors are very very pro wasps.
Do you question these councilors on Twitter for that email they sent to the Butts trying to change the lease, if you are as neutral as you say, you surely would have done that.
You seem to point out SISU's every fault but not of the council, it's there for everyone to see
Do you question these councilors on Twitter for that email they sent to the Butts trying to change the lease, if you are as neutral as you say, you surely would have done that.
You seem to point out SISU's every fault but not of the council, it's there for everyone to see
Nick
Administrator
think you need to stop following Simon Gilbert, that is his line.
I've never said, suggested, indicated, inferred or implied there's a problem with the thread.
The issue arose because of you chucking your teddies out of the pram about me including details of SISU's broken promises - hammering all sides is the way forward I thought?
You then said I should have started a different thread and I asked why you thought the two had to be addressed separately when they're about the impact on CCFC.
I'm sad - but not lonely.
The Reverend Skyblue
Well-Known Member
So armybike we have heard in detail from you about SISU's faults and where they went wrong which we knew already, could you now tell us where you think the council messed up.
You'd not worked out I am Simon?