Legal action 2 (11 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

But surely that's not Wasps' problem, it's the council's

Yes it is

 

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[dongonzalos]

Wasps would then say that's not the case and that the clubs stance was unreasonable.

You'd then do a poll asking if the club should drop it's 17 points do we can secure a 25 year deal at the Ricoh.

So Wasps have given the club the only deal in town. A take it or leave it deal. A deal that the club can't accept.
The club have decided not to tell us about this situation in case Wasps say it Isn't true, even though it is.
So instead both of them have said negotiations never got to a "this the deal point"

Yep you are right I am the stupid one. Never realised all the above had happened.

 

[Grendel]

So Wasps have given the club the only deal in town. A take it or leave it deal. A deal that the club can't accept.
The club have decided not to tell us about this situation in case Wasps say it Isn't true, even though it is.
So instead both of them have said negotiations never got to a "this the deal point"

Yep you are right I am the stupid one. Never realised all the above had happened.

No all one party has to say is that legal action is background noise and you sit drooling in the corner, hanging on to every word he says and doing poll after poll until you get an answer that suits you.

 

[dongonzalos]

No all one party has to say is that legal action is background noise and you sit drooling in the corner, hanging on to every word he says and doing poll after poll until you get an answer that suits you.

The deal ultimatum thing
It's not true is it?
Come on admit it?

No can we get back on track
Would you not like to smoke Wasps out and declare that if they get back around the table and agreement is eventually reached the legal action can be terminated.
Wasps say no to that very reasonable offer then we know they have no interest in us staying

 

[Nick]

http://skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/poll-should-sisu-continue-with-litigation.65394/

Surely this answers it?

 

[Nick]

The deal ultimatum thing
It's not true is it?
Come on admit it?

No can we get back on track
Would you not like to smoke Wasps out and declare that if they get back around the table and agreement is eventually reached the legal action can be terminated.
Wasps say no to that very reasonable offer then we know they have no interest in us staying

On the other hand what happens if they drop the legal action and then they go back against their word?

Surely you can't have a written contract saying "if you drop the legals against somebody else, we will do this to help save the football club"? A bit shady isn't it?

 

[Grendel]

The deal ultimatum thing
It's not true is it?
Come on admit it?

No can we get back on track
Would you not like to smoke Wasps out and declare that if they get back around the table and agreement is eventually reached the legal action can be terminated.
Wasps say no to that very reasonable offer then we know they have no interest in us staying

If not true why hasn't the same constraint regarding legal action been placed on a deal to pay for academy space?

 

[dongonzalos]

If not true why hasn't the same constraint regarding legal action been placed on a deal to pay for academy space?

Because we haven't tried to negotiate with them over that yet.
I am sure if we do it will be the same

 

[chiefdave]

If not true why hasn't the same constraint regarding legal action been placed on a deal to pay for academy space?

And why did they even bother starting talks about staying at the Ricoh?

 

[Grendel]

And why did they even bother starting talks about staying at the Ricoh?

Still as don says wasps said it must be true.

Bit like looking at 27 sites for the training ground and just happening to go for the one that we currently occupy.

 

[Samo]

A genuine question on legals (excuse my ignorance)
If we were under new ownership would that leave SISU free to continue the legals independently and the club free to rebuild relationships without those legals being used as a bargaining tool against it?

 

[stupot07]

So why didn't you email them about both the Higgs and Ricoh situation?

Did you?

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[Nick]

Still as don says wasps said it must be true.

Bit like looking at 27 sites for the training ground and just happening to go for the one that we currently occupy.

And then suddenly stopping talks and blaming legals as they put planning permission in?

 

[chiefdave]

A genuine question on legals (excuse my ignorance)
If we were under new ownership would that leave SISU free to continue the legals independently and the club free to rebuild relationships without those legals being used as a bargaining tool against it?

I think you're right. Anyone can bring a JR.

 

[stupot07]

A genuine question on legals (excuse my ignorance)
If we were under new ownership would that leave SISU free to continue the legals independently and the club free to rebuild relationships without litigation being used as a bargaining tool against it?

Yes I think they would, because its about reviewing thd councils decision, plus it was about the time when sisu were owners.

But sisu aren't going to sell the club so it makes no difference.

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[armybike]

Did you?

So you'd rather just huff and puff on a forum than actually contact those involved - despite being provided with their emails when you requested them.

 

[Grendel]

So you'd rather just huff and puff on a forum than actually contact those involved - despite being provided with their emails when you requested them.

It was probably your e mail address he was given and that put him off.

 

[stupot07]

So you'd rather just huff and puff on a forum than actually contact those involved - despite being provided with their emails when you requested them.

So you'd rather just go round picking posters off? I told you why I didn't email, because the the academy is more important. The legals have fuck all to do with the academy dispute.

What are you doing about it, other than defending wasps at every turn? You have the emails, have you emailed them?

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[skybluetony176]

Because it would make them look bad? Just a thought.

It would only make one of them look bad. So why hasn't the other said it.

 

[skybluetony176]

If not true why hasn't the same constraint regarding legal action been placed on a deal to pay for academy space?

Probably because Wasps have no claim over the AEHC at present as they do The Ricoh.

 

[armybike]

So you'd rather just go round picking posters off? I told you why I didn't email, because the the academy is more important. The legals have fuck all to do with the academy dispute.

What are you doing about it, other than defending wasps at every turn? You have the emails, have you emailed them?

So, as I asked, why not email them about the situation at Higgs and Ricoh?

What are actually doing about either - aside from huffing and puffing here?

Where have I defend Wasps?

 

[skybluetony176]

A genuine question on legals (excuse my ignorance)
If we were under new ownership would that leave SISU free to continue the legals independently and the club free to rebuild relationships without those legals being used as a bargaining tool against it?

Can't see why not. All the litigation surrounds a time frame when"they" owned the club. That time frame doesn't change if they sell the club after the event.

 

[stupot07]

So, as I asked, why not email them about the situation at Higgs and Ricoh?

What are actually doing about either - aside from huffing and puffing here?

Where have I defend Wasps?

What are you doing aside asking me what I'm doing?

You have their email addresses, have you emailed them?

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[armybike]

What are you doing aside asking me what I'm doing?

You have their email addresses, have you emailed them?

So you're doing nothing then, fair enough - why didn't you just say that?

Also, you've not clarified where I've defended Wasps.

 

[stupot07]

So you're doing nothing then, fair enough - why didn't you just say that?

Also, you've not clarified where I've defended Wasps.

I submitted an objection to the planning application. So that's 1 thing I have done. I'm also in the middle of penning an email to the mp and minister for sport.

So what are you doing? Nothing?



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[oldfiver]

Yes apparently people didn't understand my question and were not choosing legal action over securing the future of the club.
They were merely saying Wasps shouldn't be involved.
However they are and they are saying no deal can be concluded until the legal action has concluded.
So I am saying call their bluff, offer to get round the table for both academy and Ricoh. If a deal is reached agree to drop the legal action when we sign it.
We will see two things are Wasps bluffing and don't really want us.
Are SISU prepared to drop the legal action to save the club and academy

The minutes at the time of the WASPs sale refer to not affecting CCFC. Nothing about SISU with whom they were wrangling at the time.
If they could differentiate then why cannot they do it now?

 

[armybike]

I submitted an objection to the planning application. So that's 1 thing I have done. I'm also in the middle of penning an email to the mp and minister for sport.

So what are you doing? Nothing?

So, you've still not clarified where I've defended Wasps.

 

[Ian1779]

If it's a red herring smoke them out.
Over to drop the legal action at point of signing if we are happy with the deal.
They are the ones saying it is an issue.
Let's see if it really is

They don't want us to stay. The legal action gives them a handy excuse to not do a deal and still blame someone else, and people are lapping it up.

 

[dongonzalos]

They don't want us to stay. The legal action gives them a handy excuse to not do a deal and still blame someone else, and people are lapping it up.

Let's challenge them then and see if that really is the case.
Why wouldn't we?

 

[dongonzalos]

http://skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/poll-should-sisu-continue-with-litigation.65394/

Surely this answers it?

It does however Grendrl didn't agree with me and asked me twice to start a thread about it.

 

[dongonzalos]

A genuine question on legals (excuse my ignorance)
If we were under new ownership would that leave SISU free to continue the legals independently and the club free to rebuild relationships without those legals being used as a bargaining tool against it?

Yes I think it would

 

[dongonzalos]

And then suddenly stopping talks and blaming legals as they put planning permission in?

Call them out then let's see if they are genuine or not.
Of course we also get to see if SISU can put the football club above their own agenda as well.
It would be nice to see SISU offer it and Wasps accept it and the club's future secured

 

[dongonzalos]

So you'd rather just go round picking posters off? I told you why I didn't email, because the the academy is more important. The legals have fuck all to do with the academy dispute.

What are you doing about it, other than defending wasps at every turn? You have the emails, have you emailed them?

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The academy is very important however the future of the club is also just as important

 

[dongonzalos]

Probably because Wasps have no claim over the AEHC at present as they do The Ricoh.

It was started to get a bit cringeworthy it is quite obvious it hasn't happened so I just moved back to the main point away from the side show

 

[dongonzalos]

The minutes at the time of the WASPs sale refer to not affecting CCFC. Nothing about SISU with whom they were wrangling at the time.
If they could differentiate then why cannot they do it now?

Because they are choosing not do.
So let's deal with it and call them out. Solve the problem they are creating