The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (235 Viewers)

[Moff]

Well, there is a growing sense that there may yet be a compromise... Blair reappeared and the the Austrians have suggested Britain remain in some form... So, it is still up in the air..

I would have thought Blair would be keeping his head down with the Chilcott report on the horizon, but no President Blair reappears when there is the chance to try to make himself some cash or put his name in the press, the latter being the case here (he is probably hawking his story for pots of cash at the same time)

At the moment I am not sure what is for the best, but I know that putting that toxic warmonger near anything is bound to tarnish its name.

 

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[armybike]

Yes but we will be leaving the eu just no one knows when.

Incorrect. It's not a certainty that we'll leave.

 

[armybike]

And who said any different?

So the change in exchange rates was nothing to do with the leave vote as article 50 hasn't been invoked? No. It is just yet someone else twisting what is going on to suit their agenda.

The crash in the markets was an immediate response to the indication that the Leave vote could win.

When did it balance out again? After Cameron said he wouldn't invoke A50 and would remain in post until Oct.

Nothing to do with twisting what is going on.

 

[clint van damme]

the longer it goes without article 50 been invoked I think the less likely it is that it will happen.

The whole thing has been a complete farce.

 

[Grendel]

Well, there is a growing sense that there may yet be a compromise... Blair reappeared and the the Austrians have suggested Britain remain in some form... So, it is still up in the air..

Well every potential Tory leader have said they will definitely invoke the clause and will have ministers fully dedicated to doing so.
The opposition are complaining it should be done with immediate effect.
So who in parliament actually opposes other than the Scottish rabble and the Lib Dems who'd whore themselves out to anyone if it got some votes.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

All I'm still seeing is '52% of the population are racist and xenophobic pricks.'

52% of the people saying that didn't know what the word xenophobic meant before June 23rd.

This country will not fall apart because of Brexit, but because of the behaviour and attitudes of people as a result of it.

 

[armybike]

the longer it goes without article 50 been invoked I think the less likely it is that it will happen.

The whole thing has been a complete farce.

Yep, the fact there's talk of it being put off until next year just demonstrates that it's seen as a poisoned chalice.

It could be the best thing that's ever happened to the country, but equally it could totally screw everything up.

However, it's impossible to predict which way it'd end up.

Personally I think it could be used as a bargaining chip.

The new leader could present a "Give Us More Consessions or We'll Press the A50 button" to the EU.

Yes they may tell us to go boil our heads, but then again it might be the shake up the whole process needs.

 

[clint van damme]

Yep, the fact there's talk of it being put off until next year just demonstrates that it's seen as a poisoned chalice.

It could be the best thing that's ever happened to the country, but equally it could totally screw everything up.

However, it's impossible to predict which way it'd end up.

Personally I think it could be used as a bargaining chip.

The new leader could present a "Give Us More Consessions or We'll Press the A50 button" to the EU.

Yes they may tell us to go boil our heads, but then again it might be the shake up the whole process needs.

I think the best thing that could happen is we either stay in in some capacity or the whole thing falls apart.

If we're out and they play hard ball, i.e take away the Citys European passport then we could be in trouble.

However, there are some big institutions that don't want their goverments to play hard ball approach, for example, the BDI, (equivalent of the CBI), in Germany, And they'll be at loggerheads with Merkel if she takes that approach.

 

[mrtrench]

On radio 4 this morning, hate crime reports have increased by 20% since the referendum. The officer talking said that some of that will be reporting incidents that would not usually be reported but he suspects that there is some increase in crime. I doubt this increase is new people - it's more likely to be the same old morons who feel more empowered.

 

[Astute]

Well, there is a growing sense that there may yet be a compromise... Blair reappeared and the the Austrians have suggested Britain remain in some form... So, it is still up in the air..

Juncker has already said out is out. He also said no cherry picking the good parts and dropping the bad parts. But on the other hand if we leave I can see the EU falling to bits. The only thing that might save it is if we have a bad time leaving. Other countries wouldn't be as keen to leave. So that would be Juncker as he says not giving an inch on negotiations. That means we would leave 100%. Otherwise parliament would be going against the electorate. And that could be dangerous with the feeling of a lot of people who voted.

 

[Astute]

On radio 4 this morning, hate crime reports have increased by 20% since the referendum. The officer talking said that some of that will be reporting incidents that would not usually be reported but he suspects that there is some increase in crime. I doubt this increase is new people - it's more likely to be the same old morons who feel more empowered.

The same old morons that cause so much racial trouble. But when they look into their ancestors they find that only a few generations ago that they were immigrants. Yet they still see themselves as English and hide their families past.

 

[Astute]

I think the best thing that could happen is we either stay in in some capacity or the whole thing falls apart.

If we're out and they play hard ball, i.e take away the Citys European passport then we could be in trouble.

However, there are some big institutions that don't want their goverments to play hard ball approach, for example, the BDI, (equivalent of the CBI), in Germany, And they'll be at loggerheads with Merkel if she takes that approach.

I fully agree as long as it falls apart because we are offered a lot of what we want to stay.

 

[Kingokings204]

Incorrect. It's not a certainty that we'll leave.

I know you don't like it but we will leave.

 

[armybike]

I know you don't like it but we will leave.

There's no certainty of it happening.

 

[martcov]

Well every potential Tory leader have said they will definitely invoke the clause and will have ministers fully dedicated to doing so.
The opposition are complaining it should be done with immediate effect.
So who in parliament actually opposes other than the Scottish rabble and the Lib Dems who'd whore themselves out to anyone if it got some votes.

Being as two of the biggest proponents of the whole thing have legged it, anything is possible. Just because people say they will do something, it doesn't mean they will.

 

[martcov]

The same old morons that cause so much racial trouble. But when they look into their ancestors they find that only a few generations ago that they were immigrants. Yet they still see themselves as English and hide their families past.

You Talking about the Hugenot Farage?

 

[martcov]

All I'm still seeing is '52% of the population are racist and xenophobic pricks.'

52% of the people saying that didn't know what the word xenophobic meant before June 23rd.

This country will not fall apart because of Brexit, but because of the behaviour and attitudes of people as a result of it.

Brexit changed the behaviour and attitudes of people, that's why the country is split. E.g. I have never had an argument with Astute before ..

 

[dutchman]

Dustman says "the Scots know their place".... When it comes to "one size doesn't fit all" ( Astute's alibi economic non race argument ) as regards the UK.

I don't know who this "Dustman" is but I believe it was Kingokings204 who made those statements, not me. I've always had the utmost respect for the Scots and whatever decision they make.

 

[martcov]

I don't know who this "Dustman" is but I believe it was Kingokings204 who made those statements, not me. I've always had the utmost respect for the Scots and whatever decision they make.

Eastwood's Dustman

 

[dutchman]

Eastwood's Dustman

Okay, thanks for clearing that one up.

 

[Kingokings204]

I don't know who this "Dustman" is but I believe it was Kingokings204 who made those statements, not me. I've always had the utmost respect for the Scots and whatever decision they make.

I said the scots had a referendum and should abide the result as it was a uk vote.

I then went on to say if they want another vote to leave the uk then fine by me.

But if it's 52-48 to leave the uk we need to vote again.

 

[skybluetony176]

I would have thought Blair would be keeping his head down with the Chilcott report on the horizon, but no President Blair reappears when there is the chance to try to make himself some cash or put his name in the press, the latter being the case here (he is probably hawking his story for pots of cash at the same time)

At the moment I am not sure what is for the best, but I know that putting that toxic warmonger near anything is bound to tarnish its name.

It's a diversion tactic. If people are talking about brexit they're not talking about Chilcott. It's a good day to bury bad news and all that.

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

Also where were the others who wanted to remain apparently but didn't vote?

I still haven't received my voting papers from North Warwickshire Borough Council sent out on May 23rd.

My Wife received her voting papers on Friday 24th - sent on the same day.

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

So what is going on Sick Boy? Are you basing it all on your own personal experience and not anyone else's?

I have yet to meet anyone that thinks there has been a new law after the referendum. I am yet to meet anyone who thinks anyone who has moved here from the EU should leave, and I have yet to meet anyone who has been subjected to any abuse. We each have different experiences, but don't tar everyone with the same brush just because you have experienced something different.

Before you attack me on the fact of where your partner is from and the abuse that she has received, which I think is abhorrent, take a step back and consider you know nothing of my back ground, and the fact that I have been subjected to such abuse in the past, but nothing, not one thing since the referendum was ever spoken about.

We all have different experiences but it doesn't mean, that all or most from one group are ignorant or ill informed.

You haven't met my brother-in-law. Usual voter of the BNP. And proud of it he says.

 

[Astute]

Brexit changed the behaviour and attitudes of people, that's why the country is split. E.g. I have never had an argument with Astute before ..

....and my behaviour and attitude is the same as before.....

It certainly isn't me throwing insults at anyone because of the way they voted. I find it hard to believe how many people in the UK that are acting childish because of the way the vote went. Grown adults that have forgotten how to act like one.

 

[armybike]

 

[Johnnythespider]

So how does this work, do they whittle it down to 2 and then the members vote ?

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[armybike]

So how does this work, do they whittle it down to 2 and then the members vote ?

Yep, another vote on Thurs and then Tues of next week and then full vote re final two in Sept.

 

[martcov]

Yep, another vote on Thurs and then Tues of next week and then full vote re final two in Sept.[/QUOTE

....and my behaviour and attitude is the same as before.....

It certainly isn't me throwing insults at anyone because of the way they voted. I find it hard to believe how many people in the UK that are acting childish because of the way the vote went. Grown adults that have forgotten how to act like one.

Maybe it is because the vote was so close. It is such an important decision and has been manipulated by people such as Farage and Johnson who have legged it instead of following it through. Half ( or just under ) have not fallen for this crap. Even people who don't like the EU ( I want major reforms ) do not want to go into an uncertain future. The protagonists have got out quick - a bad sign.

 

[wingy]

Juncker has already said out is out. He also said no cherry picking the good parts and dropping the bad parts. But on the other hand if we leave I can see the EU falling to bits. The only thing that might save it is if we have a bad time leaving. Other countries wouldn't be as keen to leave. So that would be Juncker as he says not giving an inch on negotiations. That means we would leave 100%. Otherwise parliament would be going against the electorate. And that could be dangerous with the feeling of a lot of people who voted.

And vice#versa when there is only 4% difference between the two positions.

 

[Captain Dart]

Crabb has quit and advocates backing May.

 

[stupot07]

And vice#versa when there is only 4% difference between the two positions.

And 30% who didn't vote either way.

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[Grendel]

And 30% who didn't vote either way.

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But they abstained - they didn't care - over 70% is a very high turnout by anyone's standards.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Yep, another vote on Thurs and then Tues of next week and then full vote re final two in Sept.

So as May got just over 50% of the vote this time does she automatically qualify for the final 2, assuming that she isn't going to lose any votes.

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[Kingokings204]

I still haven't received my voting papers from North Warwickshire Borough Council sent out on May 23rd.

My Wife received her voting papers on Friday 24th - sent on the same day.

Voting papers?