Grendel
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It's all football but it can be amended.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/council-official-says-attempt-block-11353953
It's all football but it can be amended.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/council-official-says-attempt-block-11353953
Nick
Administrator
I thought it was "Rugby Only" rather than "no football"?
Derby's stadium is of the bowl type and has a bigger footprint than the Union Berlin stadium. Derby's stadium wouldn't fit on the Butts Park site.
Even something like West Ham's old ground is a fraction too big for the Butts Park site. I believe that what would be needed at Butts Park is a bespoke design that draws upon the type of stadium that they have in Germany (close in to the pitch with steep banked stands).
I really think Mr Sharp should realise that he and CRFC will only be used in Fishers attempts to keep the rent increase down and it could jeopardise the Wasps dual registered players arrangement, which is currently doing well at the Butts for Cov !
If I was him I wouldn't let the hedge fund anywhere near Chapelfields and if they do and CCFC bed in, that will consign them to being nothing better than a league 1 club forever. SISU don't care though, as long as they can teeter along breaking even and plundering the clubs revenue for whatever they can glean !
If I was him I wouldn't let the hedge fund anywhere near Chapelfields and if they do and CCFC bed in, that will consign them to being nothing better than a league 1 club forever. SISU don't care though, as long as they can teeter along breaking even and plundering the clubs revenue for whatever they can glean !
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Wasps and the council clearly couldn't give a fuck about CRFC could they?
Skyblueweeman
Well-Known Member
Thanks for that. If you flipped it round though and turned it sideways, would it work it then? I'm not a techy otherwise would do it myself!
Not really...
It's just too big a structure for the site (unless the council sold them Butts Park).
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Think it would be possible with a decent architect.
That would be the best way forward. In fact if you also bought up the land next to Butts Park, which I think currently has a few houses on it, you'd have much more room to work with.
Nick
Administrator
I love how we stick stadiums into this small space and pay no heed at all to just how close to all the local residential housing it is.
Talk about on your doorstep!!
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
But even if it did fit, (and I think that's a pre retirement village image), why would CRFC get involved in a project to put a bigger stadium than they need on site when with a smaller stadium, say 10,000, they could also find room for some of the other facilities they spoke about to generate alternative income streams, (student accommodation etc)?
stupot07
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Did you ever go to filbert street? You had to go through a 'house' on a terrace to get in the away end. It literally was their back gardenI love how we stick stadiums into this small space and pay no heed at all to just how close to all the local residential housing it is.
Talk about on your doorstep!!
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Let alone something of that nature comes in at £40-50 M
I mean jeez we couldn't carry it when were top flight
Get real people
Just a bloody distraction however desirable it May be
There are some new apartments next to the Local Government Ombudsman office that restrict the front of the rugby club site. The Liberty Stadium is another bowl structure and the image you've dropped onto the Butts site covers the apartments and some of the park. The New Den (capacity 20,000) isn't a bowl and this type of structure looks like it will fit on the site.
As you say, get a decent architect and something viable does look possible.
The New Den opened in 1993...
Yes nothing like the Ipro
Something built a stand at a time is more realist
We are looking at something £20 -25M though
I haven't been to the New Den so can't comment on the topography /landscape
This is supposedly driven by CRFC who have stated their preferred model, it doesn't match ours.
Nor if the Initial releases are accurate does it solve us having a lease basis to a third party.
I agree Gren but if you think Sisu care about them then you surely need to go seek advice on your mental health.
Every party in this cares about one thing and one thing only,,,MONEY, and they are using you and everyone who supports the boys to fund a business. All these parties need to be separate and need to look after themselves, as that is what they will do in the long run anyway, if Sisu have the money to build then build, the council should allow them permission for land within the 7 mile radius of the CC, Wasps should run the model they have already in place and Cov Rugby with Cov Utd shall carry on being a semi pro club.
Sisu should behave themselves and stop making the water more muddier than it already is and Buy land, Build, and then sell or run a good solid football club. Most are tripping over themselves to blame instead of pushing for all parties to state clear intentions and stop hiding behind one or the other. Wasps i dont like but they go about the business and get what they want with a plan and a goal, all should do the same quiet and effectively to gain a strong business platform.
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Nick
Administrator
Isn't that how football teams generally work though?
I don't disagree with the bit about all parties stating clear intentions and stop playing chess type games either!
Otis
Well-Known Member
And how long had HR been there?
We are talking about the here and now. How many stadiums are now built so close to housing?
Yep, the Butts has been there, but look at the artistic impressions and just how monstrously big the stands are and how close to the housing they would be.
Lots of stadiums are close to housing around the country, but people are not building them right here and now right on the doorstep of streets and housing are they?
Otis
Well-Known Member
Exactly! It's a non argument.
The point Nick is if all ran the business the right way without creating issues about the why not's, then the ways forward could be found. I don't like CCC, i don't like Wasps but i truly do not believe Sisu have a pot to piss in to build, so hanging onto the CRC as a delay tactic will not and does not help.
The next time TF tells us his plan or shows us a 7 year old's design of the mystery arena, but then says, well its not viable, he needs to be told why say it either shut up, fuck off or build, without promise or deadline. But no, instead he states we can, we cant, we have it down to 2 sites, or in 3 years!!!!!, i mean did you hear Wasps say 3 years this 3 years that, they shut up and done it., we may not like it but that's how you do it, in 18 months even though talks were on way before all happened they have managed to grab all they wanted.
If Sisu once stuck to a promise, the fans with a good club, do not care about the owner or the real reason for owning, we all know what the reason is NIck, they just hope that one day the club give's them some great days to remember and gives them the reason to keep coming through the gate.
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Nick
Administrator
Yep.
Tottenham
Emirates
I think the new AFC Wimbledon one is close to houses, not as extreme as HR with them on the front door
Just a couple I can think of.
Gint11
Well-Known Member
You might consider it old news...I've just read the article on CET on Jon Sharp and he is in discussions with Mr Millerchip in purchasing all land lease at the BPA. As long as a clause isn't agreed to block CCFC future involvement, we could agree a deal there. It just got me thinking again..
IF and all of these IFs....
If SISU and Cov RFC agreed to joint venture it at the BPA and you could fit a ground in there at say 13,000/15,000 but could expand to 25k in the future and promised to make it look like highfield rd, I would be all for it.
IF and all of these IFs....
If SISU and Cov RFC agreed to joint venture it at the BPA and you could fit a ground in there at say 13,000/15,000 but could expand to 25k in the future and promised to make it look like highfield rd, I would be all for it.
Now that's a football ground!Steep stands like this would make for a great atmosphere, but nothing will ver get built
shy_tall_knight
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This is a bigger smokescreen than a Queen Concert in the 70s.
Won't be a stadium, the plot is too small especially when you consider all the other additional facilities they intend to build as well as the stadium, even if it was just a stadium then the build costs would be significantly higher than for a standard stadium, access to BPA is poor wouldn't cope with a 10,000 crowd
Won't be a stadium, the plot is too small especially when you consider all the other additional facilities they intend to build as well as the stadium, even if it was just a stadium then the build costs would be significantly higher than for a standard stadium, access to BPA is poor wouldn't cope with a 10,000 crowd
Nick
Administrator
Steep stands like this would make for a great atmosphere, but nothing will ver get built
That looks borderline dangerous! Would be like you are sat at the top of a rollercoaster or something.
Don't think it would be wise to drink in your seat at the CRFC games
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
I'd be a gonner, I've nearly gone down the steps of block 16 on more than one occasion!
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
anyone who truly believes this?
It will never ever happen. For a million reasons. I'm sorry but let's get real here;
Sisu don't have the money
Sisu don't have the interest
BPA doesn't have the space for 15k seater stadia or above.
Local residents will won't let it happen
Road infrastructure is completely wrong.
Not in cov rugbys interest on crowds of 1-2k.
Cost involved must be circa 30mil.
Am I missing anything? It won't happen.
It will never ever happen. For a million reasons. I'm sorry but let's get real here;
Sisu don't have the money
Sisu don't have the interest
BPA doesn't have the space for 15k seater stadia or above.
Local residents will won't let it happen
Road infrastructure is completely wrong.
Not in cov rugbys interest on crowds of 1-2k.
Cost involved must be circa 30mil.
Am I missing anything? It won't happen.
Otis
Well-Known Member
It surely won't and I tell you right now, IF it was ever built, whatever would be first mooted in terms of capacity etc., after all the opposition a compromise would be reached and it would be half of what it was intended to be.
Forget about 25,000 seater stadiums. Forget about 20,000 seater stadiums, 18,000 seater stadiums, even probably 15,000.
It will be a fraction of what would be initially drawn up due to all the logistical difficulties and opposition.
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skybluetony176
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But then neither do you. You've admitted that on this site numerous times. Maybe you're complimenting CCC and Wasps for sharing your own train of thought?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
It still upsets me when I see a picture of HR. It might have been a shit hole but it was our shit hole and I loved the place.