Next Protest (5 Viewers)

[ccfcway]

People seem to want others to plough money in, then if it fails walk away and forget about it.

Id personally rather not owe sisu any more money than needed, people bang on about fan ownership. They would run it the same.

na. Any fan ownership worth its salt would engage locally with large businesses. Look to encourage fans to have a say in how the can grow revenue and plough all income into the club to try and make it grow etc etc

 

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[Buster]

Why is it wrong? Do you want ccfc to spend more than it earns?

I dont want to dig into the accounts ,i want to watch decent football without being relegated every other year

 

[torchomatic]

I dont want to dig into the accounts ,i want to watch decent football without being relegated every other year

We need to pack out the Ricoh every week then. There's no other way.

 

[Nick]

na. Any fan ownership worth its salt would engage locally with large businesses. Look to encourage fans to have a say in how the can grow revenue and plough all income into the club to try and make it grow etc etc

It still wouldn't spend more than it brings in, you can see my issues and what id do different in that chairman thread

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Just seems that the onus is on the fans to turn out in their thousands to watch poor football so that joy doesnt haveto put her hands in her pockets. Thats the fundraising im getting at

Isn't that what supporting your team is about? Through thick and thin. The optimism a new season brings. I get shot down for saying people just want money thrown at the club but it's all people want. If SISU invested 10 million tomorrow the protests would subside.

 

[Nick]

Isn't that what supporting your team is about? Through thick and thin. The optimism a new season brings. I get shot down for saying people just want money thrown at the club but it's all people want. If SISU invested 10 million tomorrow the protests would subside.

Then if it didn't work then that 10m would expected to be forgotten about.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Our duty? Certainly not. how i wish we could raise a few million and let the manager use it on player budgets. that's not realistic though is it?
Maybe the question you are driving at should be: " is it our duty to seek out new investors?" Think that might be time better spent than protesting tbh.

Fucking good at telling people what to do, yet cba to do anything yourself, or put ideas into the mix.

 

[skybluebeduff]

We need to pack out the Ricoh every week then. There's no other way.

Extra revenue has never come from increased attendances, not in 9 years that they've been here, why think that now?

Isn't it people like you saying TM and MV knew what budget was this season?
Why was it decreased from last season considering the gates, and also mass exodus of earners?
Didn't TM say we were £1mill in profit? Has that been used on the squad this term? If so why sell Vince?

Wishful thinking if you believe more fans equals better squad, 9 years have proved that one to fly out the window...

 

[Nick]

Fucking good at telling people what to do, yet cba to do anything yourself, or put ideas into the mix.

He just did put an idea into the mix.

 

[Buster]

We need to pack out the Ricoh every week then. There's no other way.

You seriously suggesting that the only way is to ask 25000+ poor souls to buy us out of trouble. Thats the fund raising im talking about

 

[torchomatic]

Extra revenue has never come from increased attendances, not in 9 years that they've been here, why think that now?

Isn't it people like you saying TM and MV knew what budget was this season?
Why was it decreased from last season considering the gates, and also mass exodus of earners?
Didn't TM say we were £1mill in profit? Has that been used on the squad this term? If so why sell Vince?

Wishful thinking if you believe more fans equals better squad, 9 years have proved that one to fly out the window...

Maybe it is wishful thinking. Then again. fans thinking not turning up will get rid of them. It won't. It'll just make the squad poorer and poorer and lead to lower and lower attendances.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

I dont want to dig into the accounts ,i want to watch decent football without being relegated every other year

Every other year? Relegation battles are part of the clubs fabric aint they?

Oh and maybe if you dug into the account you wouldn't throw false statements around about where ticket money goes.

Saying that it has been confirmed over and over again it's not happening yet it still gets shouted.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Maybe it is wishful thinking. Then again. fans thinking not turning up will get rid of them. It won't. It'll just make the squad poorer and poorer and lead to lower and lower attendances.

It's going that way regardless of fans, unless you've been oblivious to that?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Isn't that what supporting your team is about? Through thick and thin. The optimism a new season brings. I get shot down for saying people just want money thrown at the club but it's all people want. If SISU invested 10 million tomorrow the protests would subside.

The idea is to invest in the team to eventually(If ever) get back to the Premier league, SISU/Otium/Arvo, or whoever the fuck own us, are nothing but money grabbing bastards, with no care for me, you, or CCFC.

 

[Buster]

Every other year? Relegation battles are part of the clubs fabric aint they?

Oh and maybe if you dug into the account you wouldn't throw false statements around about where ticket money goes.

Saying that it has been confirmed over and over again it's not happening yet it still gets shouted.

I havent made a statement about where the ticket money goes

 

[torchomatic]

It's going that way regardless of fans, unless you've been oblivious to that?

Yes, it is. And the less fans that turn up the worse it gets. We only rely on gate money so it doesn't take a genius to work out the more than go the better off the club is.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Do you want ccfc to owe joy any more money than already?

What would you do if fans ran the club and did it as break even?

I'd go and support, because I'd know they only have the best interests of the Club at heart.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

The idea is to invest in the team to eventually(If ever) get back to the Premier league, SISU/Otium/Arvo, or whoever the fuck own us, are nothing but money grabbing bastards, with no care for me, you, or CCFC.

The idea is to invest? Throw money at it then. Money grabbing? Why are we making losses but seen as some sort of cash cow?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

I havent made a statement about where the ticket money goes

No but you said SISU were lining their pockets, what exactly with if not ticket money? If not ticket money, then surely selling out the ground means the money goes to the club?

 

[Buster]

There seems to be confusion in whose job it is to make the team better

 

[Houdi]

You think new owners are materializing any time soon? There is no 'evolving situation'. It is what it is. If you don't have a common goal then what are you doing? Just hoping for the best?
Again protest is good and highlights our plight but to think it will dismiss SISU is misguided. They want a pay day or we will tread water and worse fall down the leagues.
The only way forward in the short term (sadly as I'm a SISU hater as we all are) is to support the team on the pitch while we still have one in this league and help it improve. i don't take the view I'm supporting SISU but supporting CCFC which will hopefully be here long after they are gone. A new manager may achieve something that eventually attracts new owners. If season tickets are not bought, if crowds diminish they will cut the budget to suit and we will end up in the wilderness and attracting buyers to what?
As some have already indicated the 'golden share' will revert to the football league and we will not have a club. Forcing SISU's hand to up sticks would surely see what remains of our assets stripped (Ryton) and then some. Hoping the situation 'evolves' and you get rid of SISU politely isn't going to end well. There's only one outcome to that - our club is lost. SISU have backed themselves into a corner, put up the wall and are not going anywhere. That's their set up.
You may want to ask where are potential investors? SISU have made that attraction almost impossible and probably why the likes of Hoffman and co are not even coming forward.
It's a terribly sad time for CCFC but hope exist that we can improve and become attractive, see some investors perk their interest and then hope we can pressure SISU to get out of our back yard for good as they take small comfort from what ever price they can recoup. That's the only way this can evolve in my honest opinion.

The trouble is your solution is simply not going to happen. The gates are going to get worse, and next season I'd imagine season ticket sales will fall off a cliff. Fisher's threat to put a gun to the club's head, and threatening 'the clubs gets it, if you don't buy tickets/season tickets', will just drive even more fans away.
I along with others didn't go to the Sheffield game even though we had season tickets, not because of NOPM ,as we had already paid, but because we have simply had enough. Thousands of supporters have already walked away under SISU, I expect thousands more will be following next season.

 

[Buster]

No but you said SISU were lining their pockets, what exactly with if not ticket money? If not ticket money, then surely selling out the ground means the money goes to the club?

Havent said lining pockets either. Thats a different poster

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

He just did put an idea into the mix.

Are you fucking serious?... So you and he want the fans to not only turn up and pack the Ricoh, but get our own investors at the same time? Whilst SISU sit back and laugh their cunts off at the fans for making their job easy? Go fuck yourself Nick!

 

[Nick]

Extra revenue has never come from increased attendances, not in 9 years that they've been here, why think that now?

Isn't it people like you saying TM and MV knew what budget was this season?
Why was it decreased from last season considering the gates, and also mass exodus of earners?
Didn't TM say we were £1mill in profit? Has that been used on the squad this term? If so why sell Vince?

Wishful thinking if you believe more fans equals better squad, 9 years have proved that one to fly out the window...

Last season, were the ticket prices the same?

When did mowbray say we were in profit?

In the last 9 years, hasn't the spend always been more than the money coming in with high attendances or not?

 

[Nick]

Are you fucking serious?... So you and he want the fans to not only turn up and pack the Ricoh, but get our own investors at the same time? Whilst SISU sit back and laugh their cunts off at the fans for making their job easy? Go fuck yourself Nick!

And you do what exactly?

Wasn't he on about investors to get rid of SISU?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

There seems to be confusion in whose job it is to make the team better

The managers? But when he fails the owners get blamed. Improve the club? SISU. Improve the team? The manager.

 

[skybluebeduff]

Yes, it is. And the less fans that turn up the worse it gets. We only rely on gate money so it doesn't take a genius to work out the more than go the better off the club is.

It was getting worse even when fans were turning up, right back to the championship days, so I don't see you point, they've cut regardless of fans turning up ever since 2007.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

And you do what exactly?

I don't criticise the fans for anything they do in protest at the owners, What do you do?

 

[Nick]

It was getting worse even when fans were turning up, right back to the championship days, so I don't see you point, they've cut regardless of fans turning up ever since 2007.

What were the losses in those days? The revenue was bottom 3 or 4 wasn't it?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Havent said lining pockets either. Thats a different poster

Apologies.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Are you fucking serious?... So you and he want the fans to not only turn up and pack the Ricoh, but get our own investors at the same time? Whilst SISU sit back and laugh their cunts off at the fans for making their job easy? Go fuck yourself Nick!

On a scale of 1-10 how angry would you say you are?

 

[Buster]

The managers? But when he fails the owners get blamed. Improve the club? SISU. Improve the team? The manager.

If my business didnt make a profit i could try and blame the manager ,but not ten times

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

What were the losses in those days? The revenue was bottom 3 or 4 wasn't it?

I'm going to do a Grenduffy here... Link!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

On a scale of 1-10 how angry would you say you are?

With owners about a gazzillion.
On a scale of 1-10 how much of a prick would you say you are?

 

[Nick]

I'm going to do a Grenduffy here... Link!

Ask Stupot for his graph.

What were the losses in the Championship?

I am not too sure people seem to be understanding, if we had 50k in 2006 or not it doesn't matter if we were spending shit loads of money we didn't have at the time as it would have gone into that.