Religious intolerance (4 Viewers)
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Astute
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And another post where there is no fact and just twisted rubbish.Nah, that'd be presumptuous. Just because you're conditioned to believe Christianity abhors homosexuals, doesn't make it so.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that homosexuals are to be subjected to hatred, prejudice or discrimination. So if you're going to make assumptions based on misinformation, you're likely to be corrected this way.
Y'know this evidence and research that Atheists crave? Perhaps they should gather their own before publicly embarrassing themselves with base ignorance.
ccfc92
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So to summarise the last couple of pages, anyone who questions Christianity/Religion is persecuting the members of SBT who are Christians. "Stephen Fry is a Paedophile". I idolise Paedophiles apparently.
Also, you can say all these things, then put everyone on ignore without an apology for some ridiculous and to be honest, evil comments.
*Disclaimer: These are not my quotes, or beliefs, just what has been posted on this thread by one particular poster*
Also, you can say all these things, then put everyone on ignore without an apology for some ridiculous and to be honest, evil comments.
*Disclaimer: These are not my quotes, or beliefs, just what has been posted on this thread by one particular poster*
skybluedan
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Who gives a fuck if it's Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve ? Tell you another thing the garden of Eden or paradise
The trees of God ? Guarding the tree of eternity ?
It's a pure weed field with nakedness and munchies and that tree of eternity well that was the worlds first mother plant , or the holy mother or Mary Jane if you like , they were all stoned , the last supper? They had munchies no doubt that wasn't food on that table it was holy pot, your finest hash from Nazareth
The trees of God ? Guarding the tree of eternity ?
It's a pure weed field with nakedness and munchies and that tree of eternity well that was the worlds first mother plant , or the holy mother or Mary Jane if you like , they were all stoned , the last supper? They had munchies no doubt that wasn't food on that table it was holy pot, your finest hash from Nazareth
Apropos charlatans.... and paedophiles... they are in all religions. It seems they find it easy to take advantage of people looking for love and security.
MSM is full of substance - ok not all everything is correct and most is slanted -, but in comparison to some of the shit posted by religious people, or people using religion for power, money or sex, it is a damn site more reliable.
You claim that your friend - god - is not responsible for the afflictions of this world ( did he tell you that? And you believe it? Ffs. ) !
If your friend created the universe - as claimed by other people who have similar friends - how come he cannot solve the problems on this rock in an obscure galaxy? If it is because he doesn't want to, then he is a prick and certainly shouldn't be worshipped.
ccfc92
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You've probably been blocked so I wouldn't bother.
At least he had the decency to say what he meant and uphold religion in a good light, rather than scuttle off claiming persecution and blocking everyone.
covcity4life
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Wow. Just caught up with this thread. Some sorry reading.
Dude alologised and numerous postwrs still being rude to anyone who believes in god. Wow
Dont pretend you are defensing yourself. Lots of unwarranted rude posts here
Anyway as for the fry video. It is very touching and i understabd his point. Its similar questions i have and still ask myself.
1 thing i will say is famine in africa and other places coukd be sorted by rest of world if we teukt wantes to bail them out. But human suffering is acxeptable to humans that arw not suffering.thibk about if you ever change channel when chairtt advets ckme on cos they make you feel bad or guilty etc. It all.comes back to humans live their lives how they see fit. Humans cause this world to be as it is and maybe One day they will be judged for their actions? Maybe.
If your gonna be babies and keep crying just leave the thread. If you wanna discuss this amazing world and life we lead then lets do it without arguing please. Were all city fans so why fall out?
Peace.
Dude alologised and numerous postwrs still being rude to anyone who believes in god. Wow
Dont pretend you are defensing yourself. Lots of unwarranted rude posts here
Anyway as for the fry video. It is very touching and i understabd his point. Its similar questions i have and still ask myself.
1 thing i will say is famine in africa and other places coukd be sorted by rest of world if we teukt wantes to bail them out. But human suffering is acxeptable to humans that arw not suffering.thibk about if you ever change channel when chairtt advets ckme on cos they make you feel bad or guilty etc. It all.comes back to humans live their lives how they see fit. Humans cause this world to be as it is and maybe One day they will be judged for their actions? Maybe.
If your gonna be babies and keep crying just leave the thread. If you wanna discuss this amazing world and life we lead then lets do it without arguing please. Were all city fans so why fall out?
Peace.
Astute
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If you think an apology consists of more insults you can take your love in with him to PM. If calling someone a paedophile and people who have spoken about him as paedophile worshippers is an apology I look forward to when his insults start.
Being an athiest is not being part of a 'club' like worshipping god. We don't go to a place like a church on a Sunday to meet up. We don't go to a place like a mosque several times a day. We just carry on with life as usual. We don't believe that there is a God to fear. It doesn't make us bad people though.
There is as much chance of us being an experiment as what there is of being a God. But we supposedly have many gods. Why were there dinosaurs billions of years before man? Was or is God a dinosaur?
I will debate the matter with anyone. As I stated at the start I used to many years ago. What you do get is some people who don't believe that start believing. But many more who do believe lose faith after what happens in life.
If there was a God why doesn't he pay us a quick visit and sort out the bad problems we have? Why doesn't he even sort things out without visiting?
Sky Blue Pete
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Sorry astute
Some words from the Archbishop of Canterburys recent trip to Auschwitz
After visiting Auschwitz this week, here are some reflections on recognising and responding to evil:
This was my third visit to Auschwitz/Birkenau, and each time has been even more appalling. In early January the cold is penetrating, between 9 and 14 degrees below centigrade. We were fully equipped with snow boots, layers of clothing, hats, gloves, scarves... yet it worked through layer after layer until we were cold to the core. The prisoners wore the equivalent of pyjamas and clogs. We were out in that cold for five hours in the day. They would be out for 12 hours. We were fed. They were starved.
There are so many statistics about Auschwitz/Birkenau, but it defies description. Eighty-five per cent of prisoners died. Many in just days of arriving. Then there was the industrialized killing of the gas chambers. The vulnerable, the disabled, marginalised minorities, and above all the Jews: children, adults and the elderly, taken from a train to their deaths in as little as 30 minutes. Accounts were kept, profits were sought. No one can deny the reality of what happened. There is simply far, far, far too much evidence.
Our retreat at Auschwitz gathered the first cohort of the Learning Community (a group of Anglican clergy on a programme of in-service training) for three days of prayer and theological and scriptural reflection. We considered the issues of human evil: how we recognise it and how we respond.
Naturally it provoked so many questions:
Having seen this terrible place could we still speak of God? Could we still pray, and if so in what way?
Could we hear the tunes of evil in such a way that we recognise their modern variations?
Even if we recognised evil, how could we know we would have the courage to protest, to lament – and not be silent when horror threatened?
Here are three things that will stay with me:
First is the way that the perpetrators at Auschwitz tried to dehumanise their victims – in a way that actually cost the humanity of both. It worked to some extent. Prisoners killed others in order to live – and were then killed themselves. Others gave their lives, like St Maximilian Kolbe and St Edith Stein.
Second, these atrocities were committed by ordinary people. When one of the priests leading our retreat was asked who was to blame, he said: "People did it to people.”
Third, it was idolatrous and demonic. It was evil in the strict sense of human-created alternatives to the grace and providence of God. It reversed everything good with everything bad. During the retreat the Revd Dr Sam Wells gave three extraordinary reflections on this question.
Meanwhile the Very Revd Pete Wilcox reflected powerfully on Lamentations and Revelation – speaking of protest, hope and the call to endure.
I’ve come away with too much to write, and no words to write it. We must protest to the limit against evil: before it occurs, as it happens, and in its aftermath. But there is also a need for silent reflection – in which we honour the victims, mourn our capacity for evil, and learn to beware.
My reflection is life in all its fullness is to be lived and lived well. We are all capable of such love and such good yet we often choose not good
God or not, we are responsible for the choices we make and we have the free will to choose how we react to every situation we face. I choose the reality of Gods existence in my life. It doesn't make me a better person or a wiser person and it's not an excuse for behaving in an inhuman way and excusing it in some metaphysical way.
I can know freedom from guilt and an understanding of unconditional love and how this impacts all I am as I recognise Gods love around me in all things
Bless you guys
Some words from the Archbishop of Canterburys recent trip to Auschwitz
After visiting Auschwitz this week, here are some reflections on recognising and responding to evil:
This was my third visit to Auschwitz/Birkenau, and each time has been even more appalling. In early January the cold is penetrating, between 9 and 14 degrees below centigrade. We were fully equipped with snow boots, layers of clothing, hats, gloves, scarves... yet it worked through layer after layer until we were cold to the core. The prisoners wore the equivalent of pyjamas and clogs. We were out in that cold for five hours in the day. They would be out for 12 hours. We were fed. They were starved.
There are so many statistics about Auschwitz/Birkenau, but it defies description. Eighty-five per cent of prisoners died. Many in just days of arriving. Then there was the industrialized killing of the gas chambers. The vulnerable, the disabled, marginalised minorities, and above all the Jews: children, adults and the elderly, taken from a train to their deaths in as little as 30 minutes. Accounts were kept, profits were sought. No one can deny the reality of what happened. There is simply far, far, far too much evidence.
Our retreat at Auschwitz gathered the first cohort of the Learning Community (a group of Anglican clergy on a programme of in-service training) for three days of prayer and theological and scriptural reflection. We considered the issues of human evil: how we recognise it and how we respond.
Naturally it provoked so many questions:
Having seen this terrible place could we still speak of God? Could we still pray, and if so in what way?
Could we hear the tunes of evil in such a way that we recognise their modern variations?
Even if we recognised evil, how could we know we would have the courage to protest, to lament – and not be silent when horror threatened?
Here are three things that will stay with me:
First is the way that the perpetrators at Auschwitz tried to dehumanise their victims – in a way that actually cost the humanity of both. It worked to some extent. Prisoners killed others in order to live – and were then killed themselves. Others gave their lives, like St Maximilian Kolbe and St Edith Stein.
Second, these atrocities were committed by ordinary people. When one of the priests leading our retreat was asked who was to blame, he said: "People did it to people.”
Third, it was idolatrous and demonic. It was evil in the strict sense of human-created alternatives to the grace and providence of God. It reversed everything good with everything bad. During the retreat the Revd Dr Sam Wells gave three extraordinary reflections on this question.
Meanwhile the Very Revd Pete Wilcox reflected powerfully on Lamentations and Revelation – speaking of protest, hope and the call to endure.
I’ve come away with too much to write, and no words to write it. We must protest to the limit against evil: before it occurs, as it happens, and in its aftermath. But there is also a need for silent reflection – in which we honour the victims, mourn our capacity for evil, and learn to beware.
My reflection is life in all its fullness is to be lived and lived well. We are all capable of such love and such good yet we often choose not good
God or not, we are responsible for the choices we make and we have the free will to choose how we react to every situation we face. I choose the reality of Gods existence in my life. It doesn't make me a better person or a wiser person and it's not an excuse for behaving in an inhuman way and excusing it in some metaphysical way.
I can know freedom from guilt and an understanding of unconditional love and how this impacts all I am as I recognise Gods love around me in all things
Bless you guys
Astute
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If only war wasn't caused by religion.
Wyken Sky Blue
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I used to hate him and his music.
But during 2015 when he released What do you Mean, Sorry and Love Yourself they aren't bad songs.
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Hitler was brought up as a catholic Christian in a Christian country. His rise to power started in very catholic Munich. His first act as chancellor was to promise to keep canon law in a deal with the Vatican ambassador who later became pope.
His followers were largely Christian. There pogrom against Jews and communists was made possible by religious fervour. It wasn't the first anti Jewish pogrom in Germany. Julius Streicher referred to a previous one in Nürnberg in the Middle Ages - and to a future one which he thought would inevitably come, whilst on the scaffold at his execution.
Yes, the Jews were responsible for the death of Christ in the eyes of the Catholic Church- Auschwitz was hardly a surprise. That bishops didn't mention the religious roots of the pogrom is also not a surprise. It was easy to wind up hate against Jews in a catholic area. Harder in Berlin and Hamburg, but it was too late to stop it after the Nazis came to power.
I don't need blessing by a hateful vindictive god - who doesn't exist anyway, but is regularly used to justify terrible atrocities.
Sky Blue Pete
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Do you really think it is?? You're way more intelligent than that!
It's caused by fear, hatred, bitterness etc etc etc religion or politics is just an excuse to treat others in a way that is wrong
Sky Blue Pete
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It was me blessing you msrtcov and I repeat what I did to astute. You are way to intelligent to not understand that war is caused by hatred , bitterness, fear and religion and politics are excuses that humans use to justify what they do that is just plain wrong.
I say again bless you
Sky Blue Pete
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Don't get me wrong it's absolutely insane that a faith following the footsteps of the prince of peace can be used for such evil and I have no answer
covcity4life
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War is down to man
They can use religion as an excuse or they can use oil as an excuse. Either way its himan failurr thay causes it
Why shoukd god step in? Humans will be judged on their actions. Of some humans are evil it will have consequences for others in this lifetime. When judged they will have to pay for that and innocents wont.
Also whats this many gods thing? Everyone on thisbthread believes in 1 God.
Will some other religions say different? Sure. But some said the world was flat too. Should we discoint all science because some disagree?
This is better. Less immature crying and ranting. More debate.
They can use religion as an excuse or they can use oil as an excuse. Either way its himan failurr thay causes it
Why shoukd god step in? Humans will be judged on their actions. Of some humans are evil it will have consequences for others in this lifetime. When judged they will have to pay for that and innocents wont.
Also whats this many gods thing? Everyone on thisbthread believes in 1 God.
Will some other religions say different? Sure. But some said the world was flat too. Should we discoint all science because some disagree?
This is better. Less immature crying and ranting. More debate.
trevelfarandwide
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Well said, and well pointed out, generally.
I won't, however, engage in any further discussions with certain members, because their lack of humanity is galling to me. Tried my utmost to make my stance clear, as innocently as I could, but it took one innocuous comment to send everyone into a dog-pile. I'm done.
Like I said to you, if you want to learn more about my journey, then I'll PM you.
Also, Sky Blue Pete is a far better Christian than me, since his heart is truly forgiving in the face of unwarranted abuse. Take a leaf out of his book, not mine.
Sky Blue Pete
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Just seen this one martcov.
Three for starters
Stalin
Pol pot
Rwanda Hutus and Tutsi's
And of course there is wisdom outside of the Christian faith. How arrogant do you think I am?
covcity4life
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Yes i will pm you later today mate. Thanks
trevelfarandwide
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Agree with this 100%, Pete. The discord and dissention is sown by those in power, simply to get what they want. Let's not forget that the only reason WW2 broke out, is because The Allies wanted a piece of Germany's economic miracle. Hitler told them to piss off, and the rest is history. Hitler didn't invade any country, historically, he was simply defending his country in retaliation. Not to say Hitler is a hero, because some truly do see him that way: he was a drug-crazed maniac towards the middle and end of WW2, and his decisions and actions were very clear for the world to see. Also, Hitler was a devout Catholic. Not many people know that.
If I was to tell people that Christ is the road to the complete truth of this world, would they listen in your opinion?
Sky Blue Pete
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I'm the most humble guy I know lol. In all seriousness it's funny that people expect Christian's to be a certain thing and ridicule them for it and when they behave in a way that others deem unchristian they call them for hypocrisy! You are who you have been made to be - I am no better than you or astute or any of our friends on here.
Life is complex I choose to be in awe of that and seek to inspire my fellow man in the way a butterfly inspires me in its gracefulness.
Love God and love your neighbour - Christianity in a nutshell! I have some bloody hard questions ready for when I die but I also have some bloody hard ones to answer about how I've used what I've been given for the greater good
In science you can dispute claims and prove them wrong through peer review. In religion you can make outlandish claims and no-one can either disprove them or prove them. They remain claims.
Why do you think other religions are inferior to yours? Or that they are less true than yours? All religions are based on claims, not facts. They are all equal. Your claims are unproven, Hindu's claims are unproven = they are equal in value. Scientific value of 0,00%.
Sky Blue Pete
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Scientific value 0% is debatable but absolutely there are truths throughout all the world faiths. There are some central tenents of the Christian faith that are different but unfortunately the 'truth' of them can sometimes be dependent on the people acting it out and we are awful on occasion. How I wish it wasn't so but I've come to understand that as human beings with or without faith we choose how we act and that has consequences for us personally and those around us
Where were you at history class? Germany's economic miracle was based on massive rearmament and construction - see Trump's plans- the result was short term boom. The money was running out and the first thing that got taken in the "Anschluss" of Ausrtia was the gold reserves from the central bank so that the plan could continue.
Himmler only left the Catholic Church after his father died. He was happily handing out death sentences without trial whilst still a catholic. He was annoyed with the church because he wanted to divorce his wife in favour of his mistress.
It was necessary, as well as being politically motivated, to get into Austria.
I don't get the poor little Hitler bit either. Hitler himself said that he wanted "Lebensraum". Not exactly saying piss off to the allies. He saw Britain as an imperial power which was more interested in the empire than Europe, and saw Germany's future as the strong power in Europe. According to him in Mein Kampf.
As for drug crazed, I don't know how you judge that.
Love an imaginary friend and be nice to those in your group seems to be common amongst religious people. When it comes to those who don't conform to the rules of the group, or belong to another group, then you can expect problems.
Otis
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I'm the most humble guy I know too.
In another life we could have been gay lovers (with God's permission of course and my turning the other cheek).
I'm the most humble guy I know too.
In another life we could have been gay lovers (with God's permission of course and my turning the other cheek).
Other cheeks I think you mean....;-)
Sky Blue Pete
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See that may be how Christianity has been portrayed and may even be How you have experienced it but it's not true. Love his very hard for others who hate you as I'm sure you understand. It's a powerful prospectus for a new world of peace for all. My god doesn't prefer me as I acknowledge him read the lost coin the lost sheep etc etc. Christianity's god is a god of all people, he causes the sun to rise on all not just those who profess to follow Jesus. It's power that corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately
trevelfarandwide
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Well, I must be humble too, since I haven't quoted a single Bible verse yet.
What you say about the perception of Christians is very true; we are still sinners, we are still beholden to this corrupt flesh, but it's through repentance, prayer, and forgiveness that we come to understand God's word in all ways. In no way are we perfect or higher than anyone else, that's a complete 360 on what we're trying to achieve. This is what I mean about Atheists at least trying to understand what we are, and why we have faith in something that cannot be explained or proven by any conventional means.
Life is indeed complex, mate, more so than I ever thought prior to my journey through Christ.
Debate the scientific value of the bible then. The "truth" is what humans made up and is not provable as truth in the real sense. Just faith based "truth".
Sky Blue Pete
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Martcov you are right to question Justin welby on why no mention of the conflict that caused the auschwitz murder camp
Read a little about him though it would open your eyes to what travel has been saying about understanding faith.
From losing his child in s car accident to his work in Nigeria seeking reconciliation his life has made a massive difference to many people and he would give the glory to what paul described in Romans as 'the imaginary God' and what he'd describe as god as seen in the bodily form or a Nazarene peasant - Jesus
Read a little about him though it would open your eyes to what travel has been saying about understanding faith.
From losing his child in s car accident to his work in Nigeria seeking reconciliation his life has made a massive difference to many people and he would give the glory to what paul described in Romans as 'the imaginary God' and what he'd describe as god as seen in the bodily form or a Nazarene peasant - Jesus
So he is better than all the other gods? I think there are a few billion people who would deny that. World peace is highly unlikely if religious people feel that their individual gods are the solution. If you follow that logic, everyone else should give up their gods to fulfill your god's powerful prospectus. You have no proof that your claims are better than those of others.
I am sure that Welby is a decent and good guy. Doesn't mean that Jesus was the son of god.
Sky Blue Pete
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Ok meditation martcov? Any use to mindfulness and managing ones mind to live our lives better??
Scientific value of the bible is seen more in the lives of scientists who believed the words of the bible and sought to understand the world around them. Galileo and Darwin come to mind.
The bible is not a scientific book it's a narrative of god and his people. Written by human beings who were inspired by their God. There's ooetey, history, documentary, prophecy etc etc it's not written about us but it is written for us. There's very little science in it
I hate the black and white nature of what some people's faith and non faith becomes. We know very very little and what we do know we use to divide rather than unite. It's bloody disastrous.
The biggest challenge to life on earth science and faith would tell us is climate change caused by our actions. We have many Christian's in the states looking to prophecy about Jesus returning and judging us all rather than being the stewards of his creation that he calls us to be?
That's corporately our fault and I'd love god to break in and stop us but that's not how it works.