The Jimmy Hill Way (48 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

He's annoyed (like most people are) because the CET an FTJHW said he has to bash SISU and be really annoyed at the same time.

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you're being ridiculous now mate.

I am bashing sisu at every opportunity, I'm am getting more annoyed with the cunts than I've ever been as the season goes on.

Look at my post history,I have constantly criticised the CET on here and have criticised some action of TJHW when I haven't agreed with them.
It isn't either of them that's making me bash sisu, it's what I am seeing happening to my club.

 

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[Nick]

Read the post above. I would disagree.
I comment on here because it is a discussion about something that both you and I love, Coventry City. There are times when people write things that irritate me or that I completely disagree with. Some things you write I agree with. Lots that you write I don't. I am sure that you see things the same. I don't write things to get anyone worked up as They are my own opinions for people to agree or disagree with. As I have said to you before, I think people have minds of their own and make up their own views on things. The way I look at it, and I accept that I may be wrong, is that most people are worked up, myself included, because they can see what Sisu have done to something they love. They are not worked up because someone else has convinced them to be.
I may be wrong about Willis, not sure. You seem to be saying I made it up to get people mad. If I wanted to be a rabble rouser I think that there are a lot more things I could focus on than this to get people angry. My comments are in good faith, what I truly believe and are there for others to take or leave, comment on or not.There is no ulterior motive.

how can you disagree, the words aren't there. He didn't say it. It's not opinion, it's fact.

Is the same as the whole defending sisu rubbish when somebody gets found out making stuff up.

 

[Grendel]

The game has changed. Prior to the end of the window the assumption was players would be sold after the first bid

When they were not sold they should have been so we should employ a 6 foot lumbering centre forward - so much for keeping young jems.

The utterly hapless Andy Turner writes a diatribe article that says these young players are denied a better future by having bids rejected. His whole article was embarrassing.

On CWR he said hus sources told him these players are on the move. Pathetic.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

You complained about the Trust's comments calling for Fisher to reisign because of a poor transfer window. You then comment on how the transfer window has enhanced the team, but then somehow you are not defending Fisher?

You are right, my reading skills are not what they need to be.

Lol! I actually said it wasn't a poor transfer window but not an entirely successful one either.

Not the worst and not the best.

But definitely not the disaster that the Jimmy Hill Way painted it out to be.

But then why am I replying-seems like you made you mind up about my post already.

EXACTLY the reason why I complained about the Jimmy Hill Way at the beginning.

Blinkered..


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[shmmeee]

The game has changed. Prior to the end of the window the assumption was players would be sold after the first bid

When they were not sold they should have been so we should employ a 6 foot lumbering centre forward - so much for keeping young jems.

The utterly hapless Andy Turner writes a diatribe article that says these young players are denied a better future by having bids rejected. His whole article was embarrassing.

On CWR he said hus sources told him these players are on the move. Pathetic.

Gems.

 

[Grendel]

Gems.

Oh dear - a typing error is exposed by Mr Duggins Gestapo.

Who said keeping these gems was important?

 

[shmmeee]

Oh dear - a typing error is exposed by Mr Duggins Gestapo.

Who said keeping these gems was important?

Not a typing error, a spelling mistake.

Not bothered with the rest of your post, just poking your pomposity thanks.

 

[Grendel]

Not a typing error, a spelling mistake.

Not bothered with the rest of your post, just poking your pomposity thanks.

The irony of you quoting my pomposity is off the scale.

 

[pastythegreat]

you're being ridiculous now mate.

I am bashing sisu at every opportunity, I'm am getting more annoyed with the cunts than I've ever been as the season goes on.

Look at my post history,I have constantly criticised the CET on here and have criticised some action of TJHW when I haven't agreed with them.
It isn't either of them that's making me bash sisu, it's what I am seeing happening to my club.

Hating on sisu because of what?

Poor form, shit league position?
Or
Stuff you read in the CET, Twitter, FB etc?

All these outlets are trying to turn people against sisu.
Nick was discussing (arguing) on twitter a couple of days ago with a fan who believed sisu had made up false stories of bids for our players (willis/lameiras/stevenson/haynes), so that they could look like the good samaritans by not selling them??!!
How far are people willing to go just to get angry?!

All these people who are spreading h

ate for sisu.
We all have one thing in common. Why can't we spread love for CCFC for once?

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[chiefdave]

I don't know if this has been covered in this thread (can't be arsed to read it), but why do we have the Jimmy Hill Way when we already have the Trust?

The idea was supposed to be that the Trust were distanced from protests and JHW brought together all the other groups under one banner. However that doesn't seem to have happened at all. Its clear the trust and JHW have a working relationship, to put it politely. The Trust put out PR for JHW and even had their leader as one of the guests at the meeting about fan ownership. Moz, from the trust, let it slip when he said at the end 'we' are organising a coach to Wimbledon. Of course its not the Trust its JHW.

Its a strange head in the sand approach. People try to offer constructive comments but unless you're totally onboard with the direction the Trust and JHW are going you're either ignored or branded a SISU lover.

Even the chaps from Supporters Direct and Pompey said the Trust had to be totally distanced from any protest groups and attempt to establish a better relationship with the clubs owners. Why is that sort of advice being ignored?

To me you just roll all the protest groups into one and then have the Trust totally separate. The Trust then has to establish a civil dialogue with the club, that means coming out against smoke bombs, whistles and pitch invasions. As Patsy said earlier in the thread you can't encourage disruption one minute and then act all surprised the next.

Essentially the whole thing needs to be handled in a much more professional manner. Rise above Fishers standards and show we're better than him. Stop adding little digs to statements, stop making ridiculous requests to speak about a fan takeover when there is no plan in place for a fan takeover.

 

[clint van damme]

Hating on sisu because of what?

Poor form, shit league position?
Or
Stuff you read in the CET, Twitter, FB etc?

All these outlets are trying to turn people against sisu.
Nick was discussing (arguing) on twitter a couple of days ago with a fan who believed sisu had made up false stories of bids for our players (willis/lameiras/stevenson/haynes), so that they could look like the good samaritans by not selling them??!!
How far are people willing to go just to get angry?!

All these people who are spreading hate for sisu.
We all have one thing in common. Why can't we spread love for CCFC for once?

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Like I said look at my post history, you'll soon get the drift of my opinion of the CET and I'm not on Facebook.
My opinion is based on the way they are mismanaging our club.
As I've said numerous times, they have no strategy for taking us forward or progressing the club.
As I've said numerous times, I'm not actually bothered about them running at break even, but they're not doing it as part of a bigger plan to progress the club.
As for spreading the love for CCFC, I'm all for that.

 

[pastythegreat]

The idea was supposed to be that the Trust were distanced from protests and JHW brought together all the other groups under one banner. However that doesn't seem to have happened at all. Its clear the trust and JHW have a working relationship, to put it politely. The Trust put out PR for JHW and even had their leader as one of the guests at the meeting about fan ownership. Moz, from the trust, let it slip when he said at the end 'we' are organising a coach to Wimbledon. Of course its not the Trust its JHW.

Its a strange head in the sand approach. People try to offer constructive comments but unless you're totally onboard with the direction the Trust and JHW are going you're either ignored or branded a SISU lover.

Even the chaps from Supporters Direct and Pompey said the Trust had to be totally distanced from any protest groups and attempt to establish a better relationship with the clubs owners. Why is that sort of advice being ignored?

To me you just roll all the protest groups into one and then have the Trust totally separate. The Trust then has to establish a civil dialogue with the club, that means coming out against smoke bombs, whistles and pitch invasions. As Patsy said earlier in the thread you can't encourage disruption one minute and then act all surprised the next.

Essentially the whole thing needs to be handled in a much more professional manner. Rise above Fishers standards and show we're better than him. Stop adding little digs to statements, stop making ridiculous requests to speak about a fan takeover when there is no plan in place for a fan takeover.

Thank you chiefdavina.
Love from Patsy

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[robbiethemole]

Fan unity is a load of old bollocks. I haven't any real affiliation to any of you and I don't really care what any of you do.
I don't even like the majority of people anyway, arseholes. So why should that change just because a few of you are stupid enough to support the same shit team as I do.

huh, I hought we were pals :muted:

 

[hill83]

huh, I hought we were pals :muted:

Not you, you're one of the good ones.

 

[Nick]

Hating on sisu because of what?

Poor form, shit league position?
Or
Stuff you read in the CET, Twitter, FB etc?

All these outlets are trying to turn people against sisu.
Nick was discussing (arguing) on twitter a couple of days ago with a fan who believed sisu had made up false stories of bids for our players (willis/lameiras/stevenson/haynes), so that they could look like the good samaritans by not selling them??!!
How far are people willing to go just to get angry?!

All these people who are spreading h

ate for sisu.
We all have one thing in common. Why can't we spread love for CCFC for once?

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Yes, the one who said I was defending sisu because I didn't just go along with something he had clearly just made up.

This is taken direct from the statement, would be interesting to see them

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Well Tim, fans have been taking to social media to give their verdict and it is very clear (though not unanimous: there are those who blindly defend you and Sisu,

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This is where people get the crap from, as well as the trusts small elements.

Strange how people like Gilbert, jan etc don't come on to put their arguments across now. People don't just swallow their crap so easily.

 

[pastythegreat]

Yes, the one who said I was defending sisu because I didn't just go along with something he had clearly just made up.

This is taken direct from the statement, would be interesting to see them



Well Tim, fans have been taking to social media to give their verdict and it is very clear (though not unanimous: there are those who blindly defend you and Sisu,

Because not believing lies and defending sisu are the same thing?!

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[Grendel]

Because not believing lies and defending sisu are the same thing?!

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According to Obtuse yes

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Lol! I actually said it wasn't a poor transfer window but not an entirely successful one either.

Not the worst and not the best.

But definitely not the disaster that the Jimmy Hill Way painted it out to be.

But then why am I replying-seems like you made you mind up about my post already.

EXACTLY the reason why I complained about the Jimmy Hill Way at the beginning.

Blinkered..


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I made up my mind when I read your posts which were aimed at the Trust and the FTJHW which are ordinary supporters doing their best to try and rid this club of Sisu. Do we spend our energy undermining organisations doing their best to get rid of Sisu or do we try and help get rid of the real enemy of the club either by supporting these organisations or doing things ourselves if we don't agree with them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Is the latest call for Fisher to resign missing the point (again)? They must realise by now that Fisher is just a front man for JS.
Do they think that SISU would sack him and replace him with somebody who erred on the side of doing what the fans want which would likely be contrary to what JS wants?
The constant public statements while understandable achieve little and lack focus on the real issues.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

how can you disagree, the words aren't there. He didn't say it. It's not opinion, it's fact.

Is the same as the whole defending sisu rubbish when somebody gets found out making stuff up.

I quoted the words, look at the context in which they are said. Your second comment I don't understand.

 

[Nick]

I made up my mind when I read your posts which were aimed at the Trust and the FTJHW which are ordinary supporters doing their best to try and rid this club of Sisu. Do we spend our energy undermining organisations doing their best to get rid of Sisu or do we try and help get rid of the real enemy of the club either by supporting these organisations or doing things ourselves if we don't agree with them.

Maybe the groups can spend their time listening to constructive feedback and alternative views rather than just the back pats?

The logic is that you can't disagree with anything because it means you are defending sisu or you need to be on their board.

 

[Nick]

Because not believing lies and defending sisu are the same thing?!

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That seems to be the logic of a worrying amount of people.

It's the same old pattern.

Make something up that will get people worked up
Get corrected
Say they are defending sisu
Sit and watch the likes roll up and the "spot ons".

 

[pastythegreat]

I made up my mind when I read your posts which were aimed at the Trust and the FTJHW which are ordinary supporters doing their best to try and rid this club of Sisu. Do we spend our energy undermining organisations doing their best to get rid of Sisu or do we try and help get rid of the real enemy of the club either by supporting these organisations or doing things ourselves if we don't agree with them.

Help them how? By giving ideas on how you think things could be better? To just be ignored as your view doesn't fit with what they want to do?

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[Nick]

I quoted the words, look at the context in which they are said. Your second comment I don't understand.

I quoted his whole post, he doesn't say Tim Fisher did well.

I said it's the same logic is when people get accused of defending sisu.

 

[Nick]

Help them how? By giving ideas on how you think things could be better? To just be ignored as your view doesn't fit with what they want to do?

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Been there, wasted hours doing that. Only Steve was bothered

 

[hill83]

I want to kiss sisu. They are the best.

Shocking Nick

 

[clint van damme]

Yes, the one who said I was defending sisu because I didn't just go along with something he had clearly just made up.

This is taken direct from the statement, would be interesting to see them

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Well Tim, fans have been taking to social media to give their verdict and it is very clear (though not unanimous: there are those who blindly defend you and Sisu,

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This is where people get the crap from, as well as the trusts small elements.

Strange how people like Gilbert, jan etc don't come on to put their arguments across now. People don't just swallow their crap so easily.

Yep. Really silly, immature and divisive to put that comment in, like I say, people in all factions should be trying to build bridges, not alienate people who they perceive to disagree with them.
I can't actually think of anyone who blindly defends sisu.

 

[clint van damme]

Fan unity is a load of old bollocks. I haven't any real affiliation to any of you and I don't really care what any of you do.
I don't even like the majority of people anyway, arseholes. So why should that change just because a few of you are stupid enough to support the same shit team as I do.

in order to preserve the future of said team, thus allowing you to attend their games, so that you can strut about feeling superior to the aforementioned arseholes in the proximity of a convenient location, (the Jimmy Hill statue), where you can throw a few hay makers into any of the arseholes who get above themselves.

 

[hill83]

in order to preserve the future of said team, thus allowing you to attend their games, so that you can strut about feeling superior to the aforementioned arseholes in the proximity of a convenient location, (the Jimmy Hill statue), where you can throw a few hay makers into any of the arseholes who get above themselves.

I'm not throwing hayemakers into any arseholes thanks, sounds messy.
Also, I don't feel superior to anyone, I am also an arsehole. We all are.

 

[Nick]

Shocking Nick

If I say it didn't happen am I defending sisu? Done me there

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not throwing hayemakers into any arseholes thanks, sounds messy.
Also, I don't feel superior to anyone, I am also an arsehole. We all are.

see, it's all about the unity - arseholes of the world unite.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

I made up my mind when I read your posts which were aimed at the Trust and the FTJHW which are ordinary supporters doing their best to try and rid this club of Sisu. Do we spend our energy undermining organisations doing their best to get rid of Sisu or do we try and help get rid of the real enemy of the club either by supporting these organisations or doing things ourselves if we don't agree with them.

No I spend energy questioning these organisations rather than blithely following them.

I don't believe what I read in the papers/internet/television-especially when I find out that PR companies are involved.

I use what intellect and education I have to form an opinion.

When that opinion is to criticise the CCFC protest group-I don't see it as wasted energy-actually the contrary.

You say you are entitled to your opinion-then so am I.

But just don't expect me to go along with the rest of the herd because they are trying get rid of the owners.

Like I said in my first post-can't remember anybody protesting when they sold Highfield Road, or when the council withheld the Tesco money or when ACL decided to sell the clubs share to Wasps.

I am pro club not pro Sisu.

Something that the JHW or the trust need to start doing to earn my support.



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[Irish Sky Blue]

Help them how? By giving ideas on how you think things could be better? To just be ignored as your view doesn't fit with what they want to do?

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You have the opportunity now to state your ideas. If they are an effective way of getting at Sisu and achievable then I think people would listen.

 

[pastythegreat]

You have the opportunity now to state your ideas. If they are an effective way of getting at Sisu and achievable then I think people would listen.

I've stated on here and on twitter numerous times that I think all 'shit on clubs' (us, Blackpool, Blackburn, Charlton etc) need to come together as one group.
Nobody cares about 800 charlton fans, nobody gives a toss about 500 sky blue fans and nobody even notices 200 blackpool fans.
However 7000 fans unite and March on the FA/EFL offices! Bring the surrounding area to a halt. But for one common cause.
Not sisu out or Roland out but for more protection from the FA! Tell the media about our trouble but we're here for better protection for lower league clubs.
So just for instance, last game of the season, there's 7 empty stadiums across the country with 7000 fans protesting in London. Now surely that'll attract some media attention.

Have posted this on here previously and even tweeted the trust about it months ago. Nobody acknowledged it.

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[Irish Sky Blue]

I've stated on here and on twitter numerous times that I think all 'shit on clubs' (us, Blackpool, Blackburn, Charlton etc) need to come together as one group.
Nobody cares about 800 charlton fans, nobody gives a toss about 500 sky blue fans and nobody even notices 200 blackpool fans.
However 7000 fans unite and March on the FA/EFL offices! Bring the surrounding area to a halt. But for one common cause.
Not sisu out or Roland out but for more protection from the FA! Tell the media about our trouble but we're here for better protection for lower league clubs.
So just for instance, last game of the season, there's 7 empty stadiums across the country with 7000 fans protesting in London. Now surely that'll attract some media attention.

Have posted this on here previously and even tweeted the trust about it months ago. Nobody acknowledged it.

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I think it is a good idea and if organised it is certainly something I would support. The problem for an idea like this is getting enough people on board to make it work. I think if it was combined at a time when two or three of those clubs were playing in London it might have greater support. I think the pig protest in London worked so well because the game at Charlton brought the two sets of fans together. You would probably be able to get a good few fans from Orient and Charlton as it would be easier for them to get to. Somebody on here suggested more involvement from London CCFC fans as obviously easier if you live in the area.