Astute
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The EU countries would be well out of pocket as we buy much more off them than they buy off us. But the money would go in tax and not the companies. Thw tax would most probably go to the EU to keep the gravy train going.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (163 Viewers)
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Everything we have ever voted on that got passed. We even had a Uk foreign minister of the EU.
Astute
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ccfc92
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This is 100% spot on.
There's no specific Leave/Remain traits.
I believe people should earn what they want in life, not be handed to them, but I also believe people who fall on hard times should be helped.
I believe immigration isn't a bad thing, but should be controlled to bring in workers that we need, who work and contribute to the economy, but I don't believe in letting anyone in.
I believe we need to trade with Europe, and the world, and am not arrogant enough to think the UK would survive without these trade deals.
The amount of presumptions shown towards Leave voters, is quite frankly, alarming. You're instantly an arrogant, racist, skin headed moron, apparently.
ccfc92
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SkyblueBazza
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We have been restricted in business dealings with the likes of China because of EU trading agreements...with them removed we might get even better deals elsewhere. It is all if's & buts & maybes really...whether positive or negative opinions are given atm
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SkyblueBazza
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All the stuff that they want & we can provide...those are the opportunities. In some countries for generations they have been keen to buy British because of that curious & bizarre belief that British is best
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SkyblueBazza
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Yes...seek the negatives and you will find some.
What the US Commerce Secretary says is not necessarily what he decides - the rhetoric used can be a tool to ramp up a stronger but still not attractive enough deal with the EU. The EU-US trade deal on the table now will look very different once the Brexit deal is finalised.
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Grendel
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Despite the protestations of Martcov and co the rather pitiful antics of the EU trying to act tough is only political posturing.
They want to try and derail the government and try and boost Corbyn and co popularity by juvenile scare mongering
More significantly they are terrified of a significant vote for Le Penn in the presidential elections. Macron will win but if 45% of the electorate vote national front it's a significant blow against the ghastly Euro project from one of the biggest pro euro advocate countries.
They want to try and derail the government and try and boost Corbyn and co popularity by juvenile scare mongering
More significantly they are terrified of a significant vote for Le Penn in the presidential elections. Macron will win but if 45% of the electorate vote national front it's a significant blow against the ghastly Euro project from one of the biggest pro euro advocate countries.
Captain Dart
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..and how the hell can they let a Chancellor stand for a 4th term! Even the Yanks plugged that bad idea.
Sick Boy
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Like what?
Any trade deal is going to massively favour those countries over us and they are going to smell blood. It seems that some are going to have to get used to Britain's diminished power within the world.
Sick Boy
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May's latest attempt at acting tough is pathetic and shows that she is weak.I wonder why she/you don't mind when non doms and hedge funds try to influence elections?
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Astute
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Who doesn't mind?
So you would like her to roll over and go on the EU terms? Itis the EU terms that have made people want to leave. This one rule for everyone doesn't work. What is best for Germany isn't best for all.
Astute
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Will there be an EU then?Chances are they will be the generation reapplying for EU membership.
Sick Boy
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How is her latest outburst going to help with getting as good a deal as possible? She comes across as a weak and unstable leader.
Sick Boy
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Yes there most certainly will be. We were told that first Austria and then the Netherlands would fall to anti-EU parties, which didn't happen. Now we have some willing a fascist to get into power in France in an attempt to weaken the EU. What a sorry state of affairs.
No, but I think that we should stay in the single market as it benefits our industry.
It shows how right wing our country is becoming and how desperate some are. The brexiteers need some support in the EU to tell us " we told you so ". Some on here predicted the rise of the AfD in Germany and even said they were speaking for the silent majority. They have recently decided, unashamedly, not to become a more Centre party and stay on the extreme right - much to the pleasure of their openly neo Nazi wing.
Their ratings dropping accordingly.
In Germany the choice is very pro EU against extremely pro EU, with the FDP and greens as pro EU minority parties.
The silent majority seems to prefer reform the EU, to leaps in the dark such as voting to leave or for a Trump type character.
I hope Le Pen gets hammered.
Would you say that a known fascist party winning or getting 45% is the preferable outcome to the ghastly Euro project? Are you quietly hoping for a Le Pen Presidency?
Shame on you if you are.
The chancellor does not have the power of the presidency and is not directly elected. The party is elected and chooses the chancellor.
The last chancellor with presidential powers was Adolf Hitler who took over the presidency after Hindenburg died. The current president is Steinmeier. No comparison to the USA.
Rather clever cartoon from The Economist I thought...
Doesn't show the 27 opponents in the opposite corner- not enough space in the paper.
Astute
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And strangely enough you never mention Junckers outbursts. I am glad she is standing up to him or it would guarantee the hard brexit you keep going on about.
Astute
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At last you have admitted what the EU is in its present state.
Astute
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Don't we all. It is Juncker that said it won't happen. He is the biggest problem.
Astute
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Germany does very well out of the EU. Most other countries don't. So there is bound to be unrest elsewhere and opportunists taking advantage.
The biggest problem is that we want to be in the single market, but not accept the rules for membership.
Astute
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The best outcome would be reform in the EU. But there is no chance with Juncker in charge.
Astute
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In an EU we never voted to join.....
We joined the common market. It is nothing like what we joined.
What do you mean "most others"? Even the ones complaining are getting something out of the EU. Most complainers ( countries ) are not wanting to leave, but are complaining about specific issues. The demagogues are having a field day - but they offer no alternatives... So, the EU will remain, but hopefully be reformed. A clear pro EU vote in France and Germany will strengthen the EU and so I hope the French and Germans will start reforming it.
We won't have any say and will be too busy unravelling our laws and going round cap in hand looking for trade deals with people like Trump or the Saudis for the next 5 to 10 years. "Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible".
Are you claiming that our elected government did not sign over authority to the European Parliament and thus the commission?
We do have a parliament, and a council led by Tusk. Juncker is not a dictator. He is also not commission president for life.
The system of government in England is different to, say, when the Magna Carta was drawn up. Things do evolve and successive UK elected governments have agreed all changes or have been part of the EU decision making process, as have our MEPs.
Kingokings204
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its quite obvious all this scaremongering and 100billion bill is all a mask.
There is a very big presidential election Sunday in France that people haven't seemed to mention on this thread lately.
The bs and rhetoric from juncker and barnier is quite clearly a threat to the french people on who to vote for Sunday. It's don't vote for Le pen else you will end up like Britain and be "punished" which is ironic when legally there is no bill to settle and pay proven by law and German car workers and french wine producers would be "punished" there own voters if they don't get a good trade deal. I saw it mentioned earlier I don't see many German car workers families being happy if we all in Britain started buying fords niassans and kia's. Etc. who would be punished then? It certainly wouldn't be the British consumer.
There is a very big presidential election Sunday in France that people haven't seemed to mention on this thread lately.
The bs and rhetoric from juncker and barnier is quite clearly a threat to the french people on who to vote for Sunday. It's don't vote for Le pen else you will end up like Britain and be "punished" which is ironic when legally there is no bill to settle and pay proven by law and German car workers and french wine producers would be "punished" there own voters if they don't get a good trade deal. I saw it mentioned earlier I don't see many German car workers families being happy if we all in Britain started buying fords niassans and kia's. Etc. who would be punished then? It certainly wouldn't be the British consumer.