Stoke interested in Chris Camwell - Camwell Signs New Contract Thread! (4 Viewers)

ccfcway

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"Ian rush says if I don't drink my milk, I'll only be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley"

"Accrington Stanley, who are they"

"dunno, but they beat Coventry in league 2 last week"
 

AVWskyblue

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I don't blame any young lad for taking the money. I blame the FA/FL and PL for letting it happen. Football isn't just about the PL. Seems the authorities in this country have lost sight of that though.

Edit. Can't remember which club it was, but seen a story about a chairman complaining about the PL and distribution of funds. Their response was to threaten to withdraw the funding they provide. Along those lines. Their arrogance and attitude stinks, I hope the bubble bursts.
It was Accrington Stanley's chairman, even though the pl threatened to pull funding etc as you say he's still complaining and asking for an enquiry

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NortonSkyBlue

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I can't get indignant about this story and I wish the lad well should he go to Stoke. What does make me shake my head is how low we have become in the food chain of the football league over the past years. We can bitch about how it isn't fair or right but like with SISU there is absolutely nothing we can do about it that will affect the outcome.
If he is on 480 per month he will on the salary of many teenagers and if he is living at home I am sure that is fine but lets be honest at 3k a week and the chance to secure his future then its a no brainer.
I just wish we hadn't plummeted so far that we are in this position.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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I can't get indignant about this story and I wish the lad well should he go to Stoke. What does make me shake my head is how low we have become in the food chain of the football league over the past years. We can bitch about how it isn't fair or right but like with SISU there is absolutely nothing we can do about it that will affect the outcome.
If he is on 480 per month he will on the salary of many teenagers and if he is living at home I am sure that is fine but lets be honest at 3k a week and the chance to secure his future then its a no brainer.
I just wish we hadn't plummeted so far that we are in this position.

£3k a week and not playing at all though. It would be a backward step for any young player to join a premier league club at the moment. For Every Dele Ali there are twenty Alex Nimley's (I know there was only ever one Alex Nimley In Nicks eyes). Youngsters are starting to get better advised and are staying with their clubs longer and gaining more experience. If they are good enough they'll still get their chance in time.
 

Nick

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£3k a week and not playing at all though. It would be a backward step for any young player to join a premier league club at the moment. For Every Dele Ali there are twenty Alex Nimley's (I know there was only ever one Alex Nimley In Nicks eyes). Youngsters are starting to get better advised and are staying with their clubs longer and gaining more experience. If they are good enough they'll still get their chance in time.

There was more than one, there was the one who went in big brother.
 

ccfc121

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I was told about this last week so it's definitely true, although I don't know how much he has been offered. The 18's that have been offered their pro contract have only been offered 1 year deals at £200 per week apparently, so for him not to accept the offer from stoke is pretty risky if he is being offered around £3000pw for the next couple of years. I was also told (Although I'm not sure if it is true) that Camwell only played in the last league game to up the fee Coventry would receive in compensation if he was to leave on a free.
 

ccfcway

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I was told about this last week so it's definitely true, although I don't know how much he has been offered. The 18's that have been offered their pro contract have only been offered 1 year deals at £200 per week apparently, so for him not to accept the offer from stoke is pretty risky if he is being offered around £3000pw for the next couple of years. I was also told (Although I'm not sure if it is true) that Camwell only played in the last league game to up the fee Coventry would receive in compensation if he was to leave on a free.

lucky for us then that Haynes and Stokes were injured as well
 

shmmeee

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Are tribunals just a flat fee or can they involve payments for games played or sell on clauses?

Seems like we get stuffed for peanuts whatever so it's worth the gamble to a PL club to hoover up talent and we get nothing. The whole system needs looking at, better for everyone is young players can learn their trade and prove themselves without having to choose between their craft and their back pocket. Really perverse incentives.
 

Ranjit Bhurpa

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As much as i'd like us to be playing top flight football I love the fact that we aren't in the Premier league. Its vile, rotten and bloated and I would hate to be paying to watch players going through the motions on £50k a week knowing that we'd paid their agents something similar.
Surely I saw a report this week stating that Pogba's agent received £41m for negotiating his transfer to Man Utd.
If true, it's about time all of these hangers on associated with the game particularly at this level are told where to go.
Do modern players and close family and advisors not have the ability to negotiate their own deals without bringing in these leeches and also spot when their leg is being lifted? Too many snouts in the trough.
And the Premier League would do well to remember we have a professional set up of 92 clubs, not just an elite band of 20 with an ever widening gap.
I applaud the comments from the Accrington owner and I hope his concerns are taken seriously.
 

Ranjit Bhurpa

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"Ian rush says if I don't drink my milk, I'll only be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley"

"Accrington Stanley, who are they"

"dunno, but they beat Coventry in league 2 last week"
I saw a handful of Accrington's games last season and yes, they would have been very capable of beating us 2-0.
 

wingy

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Are tribunals just a flat fee or can they involve payments for games played or sell on clauses?

Seems like we get stuffed for peanuts whatever so it's worth the gamble to a PL club to hoover up talent and we get nothing. The whole system needs looking at, better for everyone is young players can learn their trade and prove themselves without having to choose between their craft and their back pocket. Really perverse incentives.
Yes Shmmeee we get a set fee up front and then stage payments dependant on how long we've had him etc,how many games he plays for them.
The scale increases the longer that Is I think.
But they can get round that by loopholes like loaning him out I think.
I really think this lad has the potential to become a Stuart Pearce type left back.
Really would hope he'd resist an offer but I don't think he'll become a no one who just takes the money, but will take the money and succeed.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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How can clubs make these calls on players who've virtually never played league football? It's incredible how PL clubs just hoover up a whole batch of youngsters on the cheap on the off chance that one might turn out, and they've got the TV backing to do it.

Their reply to the Accrington chairman to the effect of 'how about we take away your solidarity payments and see if you like that' showed all you need to know about them. They are more powerful than the FA, and what good have they done our national team? What good have they done for English clubs in Europe? All of this money from Sky and BT and the best we can do is get Leicester in the CL quarter final.
 

robbiekeane

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£3k a week and not playing at all though. It would be a backward step for any young player to join a premier league club at the moment. For Every Dele Ali there are twenty Alex Nimley's (I know there was only ever one Alex Nimley In Nicks eyes). Youngsters are starting to get better advised and are staying with their clubs longer and gaining more experience. If they are good enough they'll still get their chance in time.
I get your point but it's risk management. For every calum Wilson there are also hundreds of Shaun Jeffers (there's probably a better example).

It's a 3 year contact worth half a million guaranteed, versus an outside chance of making it big in the game
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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I didn't realise he was that hot a prospect?

Plenty of youth players move and never make it at PL clubs but their salaries go up and they have hope of breaking into a PL team one day.

Fact is we are a L2 club and no where near being in the premiership. Can't blame him if he goes.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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I didn't realise he was that hot a prospect?

Plenty of youth players move and never make it at PL clubs but their salaries go up and they have hope of breaking into a PL team one day.

Fact is we are a L2 club and no where near being in the premiership. Can't blame him if he goes.
Very highly rated. Excellent at set pieces too. Like wingy said he's very in the Stuart Pearce mould, bit of an edge to his game but sure that can be managed.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Very highly rated. Excellent at set pieces too. Like wingy said he's very in the Stuart Pearce mould, bit of an edge to his game but sure that can be managed.

I haven't even seen him play yet - how sad is it that we are producing players that we can't even hold onto long enough for 95+% of us to see them even kick a ball in anger!
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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Who are they?
You will know who they are next season. They will probably put your comment up on their dressing room wall. In case you don't know they are a mid table team in league 2 gates of less than 2000 pay no transfer fees (no agents fees) and will probably give us a darn good game when we play them. If it was tongue in cheek be careful this comment might come back to haunt you
 

SBAndy

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You will know who they are next season. They will probably put your comment up on their dressing room wall. In case you don't know they are a mid table team in league 2 gates of less than 2000 pay no transfer fees (no agents fees) and will probably give us a darn good game when we play them. If it was tongue in cheek be careful this comment might come back to haunt you

Fuck me you've lived a sheltered life.
 

Nick

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You will know who they are next season. They will probably put your comment up on their dressing room wall. In case you don't know they are a mid table team in league 2 gates of less than 2000 pay no transfer fees (no agents fees) and will probably give us a darn good game when we play them. If it was tongue in cheek be careful this comment might come back to haunt you

I do worry about some people.

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Warwickhunt

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yep. A 3 year contract on that money and you can give yourself a good start in life even if you don't make it. Get the bullet from city and you're standing on the corner of Hearsall common dressed in a giant pizza box.
Stop giving my job away!
 

thekidfromstrettoncamp

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Post 56 I do post 57 don't worry about me lasted 70 years so far but A .C. have far better idea how to run a football club than our shower on one third of our attendances.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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Get your point zack but it's a consequence of where we are and potentially brings a question over the academy if we're not able to maximise on sales due to our position.

Yup. The more who leave for next to nothing, the less point there is having an academy to do other clubs' work for them, really.
 

Somerset Sky Blue

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At my age I wish it was only the point I missed. Like it
Just for the youngsters out there, an advert for milk in the 80s had two boys drinking milk, saying," Ian Rush says drink milk or I can play for Accrington Stanley," response - "who are they?" other boy replied,"exactly.". Hence some of the thread comments... Oh, I wish I'd posted a link to the advert!
 

ccfcway

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Just for the youngsters out there, an advert for milk in the 80s had two boys drinking milk, saying," Ian Rush says drink milk or I can play for Accrington Stanley," response - "who are they?" other boy replied,"exactly.". Hence some of the thread comments... Oh, I wish I'd posted a link to the advert!

you might need to explain who Ian Rush is
 

covcity4life

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True....
Welsh lad, scored a few goals for Liverpool and Wales.
Dodgy tash!

I remmeber i was sad when rush retired as it was the begining of players i know leaving the game. First time experience for me as a kid

Players come and go of course but back then it felt like footall would never be the same again lol.
 

procdoc

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Firstly, where did anyone get the 3k a week figure from? Secondly, why the heck wouldn't he move. He will become a premiership player. They'll likely loan him out to a league 1 club. We have also offered contracts to two other left backs so he'd most likely get loaned to Nuneaton. It's a no brainer
 
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Believe this ones done. Now following Stoke U23 players + Stoke accounts on Twitter which is normally the first sign of a move you can get as a fan unless you're ITK.
A like for the evidence, rather than the result!
 

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