General Election (32 Viewers)

[Grendel]

May is for "no deal is better than a bad deal". Labour is for soft Brexit. Both say we will leave. But as usual, there are people who view Brexit differently. The soft Brexiteers have the upper hand now. Let's see what happens on free movement. I think movement will continue, but not as completely free. There will be some form of protection against benefit tourism. Live and work where you want, but don't expect to be supported indefinitely if you haven't got a job.

Corbyn would have wanted a far harder Brexit. He's always been opposed to absolute free movement as has his union pay masters.

 

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[Astute]

The cynic in me says that the Telegraph were well aware that Merkel isn't a negotiator and that the negotiations had not even started..... just winding the Sir Ernie's of the world up. A bit more hate against the 'opponents'.

Germany is the largest country in the EU. Merkel is in charge of Germany. Are you saying that she doesn't have a say in what happens?

 

[martcov]

Germany is the largest country in the EU. Merkel is in charge of Germany. Are you saying that she doesn't have a say in what happens?

I am saying she isn't a negotiator and that the negotiations haven't started yet. So even if she has more say than Estonia, it is up to the negotiators to get this cleared up - not individual countries. The EU countries have already approved their negotiation strategy. How are we getting on? Got the goat skin parchment out yet for the Queen's Speech?

 

[martcov]

Corbyn would have wanted a far harder Brexit. He's always been opposed to absolute free movement as has his union pay masters.

I think that he would be more interested in other things, the whole picture, and may be more likely to compromise on some points than hard Brexit Tories.

 

[Grendel]

I think that he would be more interested in other things, the whole picture, and may be more likely to compromise on some points than hard Brexit Tories.

Given his and Mcdonnells views on the EU are far more anti than 95% of Tory politicians I find that a very odd observation.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The negotiations have yet to start, so how can you say Merkel has got in the way? Brexit is in the way of my rights, not Merkel. I don't like Brexit as it brings years of uncertainty with it and there is no guarantee that Britain will be better off than before.

The people delaying the negotiations are the British government - not Merkel - who have yet again damaged themselves needlessly. What the hell are we doing relying on a provincial party to enable mainland Britain to have a majority government? The tail is wagging the dog.

The British hadn't even triggered Article 50 at the time and she isn't a negotiator, why is it so hard to understand? The cynic in me always says that the government knew all of this only too well.

It doesn't matter.

Merkel is making things worse and it is absolutely clear as day.

It's hilarious that you are both denying it.

 

[clint van damme]

Given his and Mcdonnells views on the EU are far more anti than 95% of Tory politicians I find that a very odd observation.

well that stands to reason as 95% of the tory brexiters were remainers a few months previous until that rat hole into number 10 opened up.

 

[clint van damme]

It doesn't matter.

Merkel is making things worse and it is absolutely clear as day.

It's hilarious that you are both denying it.

no one has made this worse than May. Car crash of a politician.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

no one has made this worse than May. Car crash of a politician.

I'm not saying she hasn't.

I'm just saying Merkel is not this angel she is being made out to be. For all May's flaws, this particular one was on Merkel, and it is one of the biggest things causing concern within Brexit.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm not saying she hasn't.

I'm just saying Merkel is not this angel she is being made out to be. For all May's flaws, this particular one was on Merkel, and it is one of the biggest things causing concern within Brexit.

we're going to have a group of creationists who believe consensual gay sex is worse than child abuse dictating to our government how they proceed, Merkel is the last of our worries.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

we're going to have a group of creationists who believe consensual gay sex is worse than child abuse dictating to our government how they proceed, Merkel is the last of our worries.

Stop deflecting my point.

Merkel has and will continue to make Brexit more difficult.

 

[clint van damme]

Stop deflecting my point.

Merkel has and will continue to make Brexit more difficult.

I'm not deflecting. I really couldn't give a fuck what Europe is up to until we get our own house in order.

We are in such a mess domestically that we need to sort out things closer to home first otherwise we're going to be in bigger trouble than we already are once these negotiations start.

Strange though that that some people don't want the leader of the most powerful nation in Europe to get involved while at the same time expecting German car companies to fight our corner because we are their biggest market.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'm not deflecting. I really couldn't give a fuck what Europe is up to until we get our own house in order.

We are in such a mess domestically that we need to sort out things closer to home first otherwise we're going to be in bigger trouble than we already are once these negotiations start.

Strange though that that some people don't want the leader of the most powerful nation in Europe to get involved while at the same time expecting German car companies to fight our corner because we are their biggest market.

Getting involved?

May: I want to fast track a deal for our citizens and yours.
Every country in Europe: Sounds good.
Merkel: Nein.

That is single handedly fucking things up. There is no defence for it.

We need to sort our own house out yes, but this isn't about that.

 

[Ian1779]

Getting involved?

May: I want to fast track a deal for our citizens and yours.
Every country in Europe: Sounds good.
Merkel: Nein.

That is single handedly fucking things up. There is no defence for it.

We need to sort our own house out yes, but this isn't about that.

So surely May and her idiots like Johnson coming out and basically giving the EU the 2 fingered salute before the election was announced was not a particularly astute move either..... didn't exactly scream the message of looking to do a deal for the interests of everyone did it?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So surely May and her idiots like Johnson coming out and basically giving the EU the 2 fingered salute before the election was announced was not a particularly astute move either..... didn't exactly scream the message of looking to do a deal for the interests of everyone did it?

I never said it did. Although with 'citizens' a deal was there to be done.

Again though, I was talking about Merkel.

It is pretty clear that I'm right from this reaction though.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

It doesn't matter.

Merkel is making things worse and it is absolutely clear as day.

It's hilarious that you are both denying it.

Correct Earlson.

The fact that Tusk and Merkel refused to agree with the PM in guaranteeing EU citizens residency rights prior to opening negotiations irrefutably shows that they want to use them as bargaining chips; the very thing that Mart and Sick have been whining about and accusing the PM of for months.

Yet they still wriggle and squirm to deflect responsibility away from their beloved EU.

You're right it is hilarious.

 

[Ian1779]

I never said it did. Although with 'citizens' a deal was there to be done.

Again though, I was talking about Merkel.

It is pretty clear that I'm right from this reaction though.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing you... the EU is clearly something Merkel wants to protect - and we have to make sure we are aware of it when we go into negotiations. She may well want to 'punish' us - but I worry that people like Johnson and Davis seem oblivious.. and we have a 'coalition of chaos' at the table to boot.

 

[skybluedan]

Hopefully a deal might be going through for Collins then , certainly the type of player we need to help get us out of this shit league ,

 

[Liquid Gold]

We can talk about Merkel all we want but we have no control over her. We do have control over the elected representatives we're sending to Brussels to negotiate the exit on our behalf, currently we're sending people that have been insulting and dismissive of those they're going to be negotiating with. We need to have our own house in order before pointing fingers over the channel.

 

[skybluedan]

I'm thinking I would let Willis go no problem to sign Collins , even harries ,

 

[clint van damme]

Correct Earlson.

The fact that Tusk and Merkel refused to agree with the PM in guaranteeing EU citizens residency rights prior to opening negotiations irrefutably shows that they want to use them as bargaining chips; the very thing that Mart and Sick have been whining about and accusing the PM of for months.

Yet they still wriggle and squirm to deflect responsibility away from their beloved EU.

You're right it is hilarious.

fancy going into negotiations with bargaining chips, what a novel idea!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We can talk about Merkel all we want but we have no control over her. We do have control over the elected representatives we're sending to Brussels to negotiate the exit on our behalf, currently we're sending people that have been insulting and dismissive of those they're going to be negotiating with. We need to have our own house in order before pointing fingers over the channel.

fancy going into negotiations with bargaining chips, what a novel idea!

That's what I'm saying. Our own lot aren't much good, but neither are they and there are so many people here in denial.

Instead we are getting a condescending viewpoint on our own lot, whilst kissing the arse of those in Europe, whether that is in the EU, or leaders like Merkel. It's embarrassing.

Most people would be a lot more relaxed about our exit from the EU if citizens were giving assurances about their fate in the UK or abroad. That is something we have tried to do, yet Merkel is fucking it up along with Tusk. What do you then hear? Brexit was voted for by idiots, Brexit is xenophobic, blah blah blah. It's all our fault. Actually, It is plain and simple that people just don't understand or want to mess up the exit because they don't like it.

Look at the nurse situation. You think applications would be down 96% if Merkel wasn't being a fucking child? No, they wouldn't.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

fancy going into negotiations with bargaining chips, what a novel idea!

So you approve of using peoples residency as a bargaining chip.

For some reason that doesn't surprise me.

 

[clint van damme]

So you approve of using peoples residency as a bargaining chip.

For some reason that doesn't surprise me.

where as we have given cast iron assurances on the future of EU residents in the UK haven't we? Or do you expect everyone involved in negotiations to forget about them?

You couldn't make it up honestly.

 

[Liquid Gold]

That's what I'm saying. Our own lot aren't much good, but neither are they and there are so many people here in denial.

Instead we are getting a condescending viewpoint on our own lot, whilst kissing the arse of those in Europe, whether that is in the EU, or leaders like Merkel. It's embarrassing.

Most people would be a lot more relaxed about our exit from the EU if citizens were giving assurances about their fate in the UK or abroad. That is something we have tried to do, yet Merkel is fucking it up along with Tusk. What do you then hear? Brexit was voted for by idiots, Brexit is xenophobic, blah blah blah. It's all our fault. Actually, It is plain and simple that people just don't understand or want to mess up the exit because they don't like it.

Look at the nurse situation. You think applications would be down 96% if Merkel wasn't being a fucking child? No, they wouldn't.

At no point have our government tried to give assurances to Eu citizens living in the UK.

 

[clint van damme]

That's what I'm saying. Our own lot aren't much good, but neither are they and there are so many people here in denial.

Instead we are getting a condescending viewpoint on our own lot, whilst kissing the arse of those in Europe, whether that is in the EU, or leaders like Merkel. It's embarrassing.

Most people would be a lot more relaxed about our exit from the EU if citizens were giving assurances about their fate in the UK or abroad. That is something we have tried to do, yet Merkel is fucking it up along with Tusk. What do you then hear? Brexit was voted for by idiots, Brexit is xenophobic, blah blah blah. It's all our fault. Actually, It is plain and simple that people just don't understand or want to mess up the exit because they don't like it.

Look at the nurse situation. You think applications would be down 96% if Merkel wasn't being a fucking child? No, they wouldn't.

the fact you seem concerned with the rights of UK citizens in the EU, but don't seem worried about the rights of EU citizens in the UK only adds fuel to the xenophobe argument.

 

[clint van damme]

At no point have our government tried to give assurances to Eu citizens living in the UK.

Perhaps they don't count as much! I think we're starting to get a good idea of the sub text to this argument from certain people.

 

[Sick Boy]

Stop deflecting my point.

Merkel has and will continue to make Brexit more difficult.

Like Britain, the EU will always try and prioritise its own needs and what's best for it. What did you expect?

Suck it up.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

At no point have our government tried to give assurances to Eu citizens living in the UK.

the fact you seem concerned with the rights of UK citizens in the EU, but don't seem worried about the rights of EU citizens in the UK only adds fuel to the xenophobe argument.

You are trying to argue water isn't wet. It's actually hilarious. You know the left have lost when they start throwing round 'you're xenophobic'.

I've always argued that both sets of rights are just as important as each other, so another argument completely flawed.

May for all her shit has tried to give assurances on EU citizens living in the UK, but has asked for the same assurances back, something that was agreed by most apart from Merkel, your guardian angel and the whole point of my argument which has been deflected several times.

May is a joke, but so is Merkel.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Perhaps they don't count as much! I think we're starting to get a good idea of the sub text to this argument from certain people.

No you're right, my fiancee doesn't matter.

Give me a break.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Like Britain, the EU will always try and prioritise its own needs and what's best for it. What did you expect?

Suck it up.

I expect a mature and adult approach from both sides.

Instead it is, 'the EU is amazing and the UK is shit'. Even when the former is trying to fuck over the latter, which is where nearly all of us live.

 

[Sick Boy]

I expect a mature and adult approach from both sides.

Instead it is, 'the EU is amazing and the UK is shit'. Even when the former is trying to fuck over the latter, which is where nearly all of us live.

I haven't noticed you condemning the UK media's approach or that of the government with their threats, unless I missed it?

There was plenty of the 'EU is shit' type of posts that you didn't condemn either. I also note that the EU doesn't look like collapsing any time soon, neither does the Euro.

 

[clint van damme]

No you're right, my fiancee doesn't matter.

Give me a break.

You're misguided, there are others though where their real agenda shines through quite clearly.

You are trying to argue water isn't wet. It's actually hilarious. You know the left have lost when they start throwing round 'you're xenophobic'.

I've always argued that both sets of rights are just as important as each other, so another argument completely flawed.

May for all her shit has tried to give assurances on EU citizens living in the UK, but has asked for the same assurances back, something that was agreed by most apart from Merkel, your guardian angel and the whole point of my argument which has been deflected several times.

May is a joke, but so is Merkel.

You don't get it do you? I think Brexit will be an absolute car crash, I don't want it to be for the sake of my children, they're who I want the best for, I hope I'm totally wrong and Brexit catapults us to the leading economy in the world, (not that that's going to happen).
But if the negotiators take some Brexiteers arrogance and mis guided sense of Britains place in the world into talks we're going to get fucking rinsed.

Just look at mays visit to India, lukewarm at best. The rest of the world isn't banging down the door to strike up deals with a post brexit UK as quickly as possible, it's a myth. We need a big, fuck off reality check ASAP.

 

[chiefdave]

The fact that Tusk and Merkel refused to agree with the PM in guaranteeing EU citizens residency rights prior to opening negotiations irrefutably shows that they want to use them as bargaining chips; the very thing that Mart and Sick have been whining about and accusing the PM of for months.

The EU repeatedly said they wouldn't hold talks prior to article 50 being invoked so why do you think they would start agreeing thing prior to that? The whole point of having negotiations is to agree things like this. The fact that we've wasted the first few weeks with an unneeded election that has left us in a mess is hardly the fault of the EU.

 

[chiefdave]

Breakdowns from YouGov. Always interested to see what patterns turn up.