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[martcov]

No I'm saying we have set the wheels in motion as once we leave the EU (yes that's right) we will have the power the sign trade deals all over the world to suit our countries needs. Fantastic isn't it? I'm very excited by it. Britain is going global. And then a trade deal with Brazil and America. Very exciting stuff.

But you haven't... Japan has said they will make their stance quite clear. EU has priority. May is going cap in hand and hoping she will get some sort of an agreement to get some sort of agreement in the future. Meanwhile Japan says it will Settle it's deal with the EU a priority...

 

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[SIR ERNIE]

The UK will finish up paying whatever sum they are legally obliged to pay. I would have thought that the onus is on the EU to prove what that sum is.

 

[scubasteve]

But you haven't... Japan has said they will make their stance quite clear. EU has priority. May is going cap in hand and hoping she will get some sort of an agreement to get some sort of agreement in the future. Meanwhile Japan says it will Settle it's deal with the EU a priority...

Might want to retract that seeing in a joint press conference this afternoon, May and Abe just announced that a instant deal will be done post brexit and is a immediate priority. Add that to the half billion Aston martin deal (not bad for the local area with the plant just down the road in gaydon) and the increased investment by Nissan in the UK.

 

[Sick Boy]

There are so many variables. that there's no way posters on a message board are going to be able to determine what is an appropriate figure. Having said that I would rather send a crew from on here to try and get us the best deal rather than the clowns who are actually doing the negotiating.

Bit more info here:

The EU "divorce bill"

That'd be a great idea! I'd definitely be up for that but we'd probably end up with an EU football team.

 

[chiefdave]

Might want to retract that seeing in a joint press conference this afternoon, May and Abe just announced that a instant deal will be done post brexit and is a immediate priority. Add that to the half billion Aston martin deal (not bad for the local area with the plant just down the road in gaydon) and the increased investment by Nissan in the UK.

Where are you getting that from? The reports I'm seeing are saying Abe has specifically not committed to a quick post Brexit deal. May is promising things she can't necessarily deliver. How has she committed to their being transparency and predictability in the exit negotiations and no damage to Japanese businesses? I'd like to take it as a positive but what happens if May turns up for the next round of talks with Japan with the Brexit negotiations having shown little progress?

There will be a natural sense of uncertainty for a while. What we all hope is that while is not very long, the sooner we can get to a position where at least, for example, there will be no tariffs, that will be a big breakthrough, because that would allow you to invest with confidence.

In my world, when you decide to design a new car, it takes four years, and will probably cost you a billion dollars, those are big bets you have to put down and if you don’t know what your sales environment, or your manufacturing environment, is going to be like in four years, you can either hesitate to make the investment or you can make the investment with a certain degree of risk.
So the more we can hear from the politicians in terms of what they think they’re going to negotiate, or what they are negotiating, where they’re being successful, where there are gaps, the quicker we can get to that, the more predictable we can make our investments.
What I can’t cope with is my cars being stuck at a French port for six months. That’s far more damaging for business.

He also said while Aston Martin were committed to the UK companies in Tokyo, Yokohama or Nagoya, or Germany, as examples, would be more reluctant. Adding that the prospect of trade barriers kept him awake a night.

 

[scubasteve]

Where are you getting that from? The reports I'm seeing are saying Abe has specifically not committed to a quick post Brexit deal. May is promising things she can't necessarily deliver. How has she committed to their being transparency and predictability in the exit negotiations and no damage to Japanese businesses? I'd like to take it as a positive but what happens if May turns up for the next round of talks with Japan with the Brexit negotiations having shown little progress?

He also said while Aston Martin were committed to the UK companies in Tokyo, Yokohama or Nagoya, or Germany, as examples, would be more reluctant. Adding that the prospect of trade barriers kept him awake a night.

Theresa May secures Japanese pledge on post-Brexit trade deal

 

[chiefdave]

Theresa May secures Japanese pledge on post-Brexit trade deal

That's only an interim deal and it would be identical the EU - Japan deal. I'll be pissed off if after all this all we do is replicate what we have already in the EU.

It also says they will seek to do a deal which is not quite an announcement of a deal ready to be done the instant we leave the EU.

 

[clint van damme]

Might want to retract that seeing in a joint press conference this afternoon, May and Abe just announced that a instant deal will be done post brexit and is a immediate priority. Add that to the half billion Aston martin deal (not bad for the local area with the plant just down the road in gaydon) and the increased investment by Nissan in the UK.

that post is a perfect example of cherry picking the best bits!
Yes, there is a lot to be optimistic about but there are also several notes of caution.
I'm not reaching for either the champagne or the sleeping pills and vodka just yet.

 

[scubasteve]

That's only an interim deal and it would be identical the EU - Japan deal. I'll be pissed off if after all this all we do is replicate what we have already in the EU.

It also says they will seek to do a deal which is not quite an announcement of a deal ready to be done the instant we leave the EU.

Yeah it's a cut and paste job for a smooth transition then tweak the deal as needed later, which makes sense to me. Just shows that we are a priority and a deal will be done asap. Which is contrary to what others have said.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah it's a cut and paste job for a smooth transition then tweak the deal as needed later, which makes sense to me. Just shows that we are a priority and a deal will be done asap. Which is contrary to what other have said.

Funny. Dave moans that it takes years to get a deal her when ones agreed quickly in lieu of leaving he's still not happy.

 

[scubasteve]

that post is a perfect example of cherry picking the best bits!
Yes, there is a lot to be optimistic about but there are also several notes of caution.
I'm not reaching for either the champagne or the sleeping pills and vodka just yet.

Always will be cautious until it's signed and delivered but it's positive movement and not the doom and gloom.

 

[chiefdave]

Funny. Dave moans that it takes years to get a deal her when ones agreed quickly in lieu of leaving he's still not happy.

But we haven't done a deal. There's a vague promise of an interim deal if Brexit negotiations go well and the UK remains and entry point to EU trading.

But don't worry, to get that all we've had to do is commit our forces to assist Japan. A move that North Korea says leaves the UK facing destruction. And in the process May has managed to upset China who have said the UK will reap what they sow. So that's all going well. Weren't China going to be one of our big new trade deals?

Can't say when I was being told what a strong position the UK would be in out of the EU and how we'd be able to make superior trade deals it left me with the impression we should celebrate the possibility of getting a deal identical to the one we have as a member of the EU.

 

[Grendel]

But we haven't done a deal. There's a vague promise of an interim deal if Brexit negotiations go well and the UK remains and entry point to EU trading.

But don't worry, to get that all we've had to do is commit our forces to assist Japan. A move that North Korea says leaves the UK facing destruction. And in the process May has managed to upset China who have said the UK will reap what they sow. So that's all going well. Weren't China going to be one of our big new trade deals?

Can't say when I was being told what a strong position the UK would be in out of the EU and how we'd be able to make superior trade deals it left me with the impression we should celebrate the possibility of getting a deal identical to the one we have as a member of the EU.

You said in a post above we can't agree deals until we leave in 18 months and scaremongering in could take 4.5 years and 50 countries. Face it the only reason it takes so long is we have to bow down to what such giants as Poland want.

It's very sensible to tie up interim deals and then progress to sign fresh deals once we are free and not having to ask Romania if it is good for them.

 

[skybluetony176]

But we haven't done a deal. There's a vague promise of an interim deal if Brexit negotiations go well and the UK remains and entry point to EU trading.

But don't worry, to get that all we've had to do is commit our forces to assist Japan. A move that North Korea says leaves the UK facing destruction. And in the process May has managed to upset China who have said the UK will reap what they sow. So that's all going well. Weren't China going to be one of our big new trade deals?

Can't say when I was being told what a strong position the UK would be in out of the EU and how we'd be able to make superior trade deals it left me with the impression we should celebrate the possibility of getting a deal identical to the one we have as a member of the EU.

Everyone will bow down and kiss our ass remember. Including the EU as Germany won't risk not selling cars into the UK. That's what everyone supporting out was telling me. Not happening so far. Seems the best we can hope for is identical deals we already had in place as a member of the EU and a worse trade deal with the EU.

I appreciate its all got to come out in the wash yet but at the moment it looks like someone has put a red sock in with the whites.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There are so many variables. that there's no way posters on a message board are going to be able to determine what is an appropriate figure. Having said that I would rather send a crew from on here to try and get us the best deal rather than the clowns who are actually doing the negotiating.

Bit more info here:

The EU "divorce bill"

I agree with you, and would actually support that. An all round team from SBT would probably do a better job...

Mind you, I'd love to see the look on Junker's face when he opens an envelope with a bit of paper saying 'Slade Out'.

 

[chiefdave]

You said in a post above we can't agree deals until we leave in 18 months and scaremongering in could take 4.5 years and 50 countries.

Actually that's not what I said. I said we have 18 months to sort 50 replacement deals. Nothing has changed. Japan have said they may sign an interim deal when we leave the EU. That still leaves an actual deal to be negotiated.

By May's own admission the talks are to 'prepare the ground', so when are the talks on an actual deal going to take place? Only 18 months left until we leave and replacement trade deals need to be negotiated with over 50 countries the EU currently has agreements in place with. If you take the recent Japan EU deal as an example that took 4 years and 18 rounds of negotiations and is still to be finalised. We've got to complete similar deals 50 times over in the next 18 months!

What time frame do you think is realistic to negotiate 50 replacement, not interim, deals?

 

[Grendel]

Actually that's not what I said. I said we have 18 months to sort 50 replacement deals. Nothing has changed. Japan have said they may sign an interim deal when we leave the EU. That still leaves an actual deal to be negotiated.

What time frame do you think is realistic to negotiate 50 replacement, not interim, deals?

How do countries outside the EU do trade deals? It's actually as an independant country bot too difficult - oddly you could employ negotiators for every country - you can then do 50 negotiations at the same time!

 

[chiefdave]

Not happening so far. Seems the best we can hope for is identical deals we already had in place as a member of the EU and a worse trade deal with the EU.

If whats been talked about in Japan today is replicated elsewhere the deal with the EU will be the most vital part as it seems other countries are keen to deal with the UK so long as they remain an entry point to the EU.

 

[skybluetony176]

How do countries outside the EU do trade deals? It's actually as an independant country bot too difficult - oddly you could employ negotiators for every country - you can then do 50 negotiations at the same time!

How much is that going to cost out of interest?

 

[chiefdave]

How do countries outside the EU do trade deals? It's actually as an independant country bot too difficult - oddly you could employ negotiators for every country - you can then do 50 negotiations at the same time!

And are we doing that, what is the negotiation schedule? We can't even recruit enough civil servants to process the paperwork of brexit itself let alone 50 trade deals at the same time. Thats assuming it is 50, that would mean all encompassing trade deals. Many countries have multiple deals with different trade departments negotiating different areas.

So yes you're correct other countries do trade deals, but not necessarily quickly and not necessarily covering all aspects of trade.

Again I ask what do you think the timescale is on getting new deals negotiated, as opposed to interim deals, with all the countries that currently have EU deals in place?

 

[martcov]

Yeah it's a cut and paste job for a smooth transition then tweak the deal as needed later, which makes sense to me. Just shows that we are a priority and a deal will be done asap. Which is contrary to what others have said.

I read it as an agreement to have an agreement- which is what I predicted. We will see what happens after we have left. Nothing more has actually happened.

 

[Kingokings204]

I read it as an agreement to have an agreement- which is what I predicted. We will see what happens after we have left. Nothing more has actually happened.

Not free trade with Japan? It currently isn't. I say that's good exciting news.

 

[Sick Boy]

Not free trade with Japan? It currently isn't. I say that's good exciting news.

I thought that Brexit was supposed to have been a reaction against neo liberalism? Now it's more for it?

 

[martcov]

Not free trade with Japan? It currently isn't. I say that's good exciting news.

Japan is setting it's agreement with the EU - of which we are still a member. That is more exciting than a promise to have an agreement at some future date.

 

[Kingokings204]

Japan is setting it's agreement with the EU - of which we are still a member. That is more exciting than a promise to have an agreement at some future date.

hate to break it to you, we are leaving the EU so the deal was for Britain and Japan to have a free trade deal. Good news isn't it?

 

[Kingokings204]

I thought that Brexit was supposed to have been a reaction against neo liberalism? Now it's more for it?

Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?

 

[martcov]

hate to break it to you, we are leaving the EU so the deal was for Britain and Japan to have a free trade deal. Good news isn't it?

We haven't got the deal yet. If we got the same deal as the EU we would have the same deal as we would have had without all the confusion. If. Very exciting.

 

[martcov]

Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?

According to you. Seems like a contradiction when you put it like that though.

 

[clint van damme]

Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?

was it? Plenty who voted leave said immigration wasn't a factor - but everyone knew exactly what they were voting for apparently.

How can you say a free trade deal with Japan is great news until you know the detail, if might be, it might not be.

 

[skybluetony176]

Brexit was about controlling our own laws and borders and opening ourselves up to the world. A free trade deal with Japan is great news isn't it?

We would have had it anyway. A deal between the EU and Japan was signed last year to phase out import tariffs between the two. The UK deal is also an interim deal not a permanent one. At the end of the day the car import market into the EU is worth over $170B from the six biggest importing EU countries alone excluding the UK. The UK car import market in comparison is worth $46B. If you were Japan in your own national interest where are you going to butter your bread?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

but everyone knew exactly what they were voting for apparently.

This is the most nonsensical line known to man isn't it. Like everyone who wanted to remain had the same view of what they thought remaining should look like?

By all means blame Cameron for making such a ridiculous polarised question, with no room for nuance, but it's utter gibberish to say *what* Brexit actually *was* and *is*.

Corbyn's would be rather different, after all...

 

[Kingokings204]

This is the most nonsensical line known to man isn't it. Like everyone who wanted to remain had the same view of what they thought remaining should look like?

By all means blame Cameron for making such a ridiculous polarised question, with no room for nuance, but it's utter gibberish to say *what* Brexit actually *was* and *is*.

Corbyn's would be rather different, after all...

That's the problem you don't seem to get we had a choice remain or leave, we could argue for hours about what remain looks like and what leave looks like but the question was a simple remain or leave and the uk voted to leave and that is what is now happening.

A lot more encouraged by yesterday's talks and my belief is in 20 years time when this has all passed we will look back on it just like I do praising the lord we didn't join the euro. Same people and businesses said our country would fall to bits if we didn't join it. London would collapse. People would be poorer. Mercifully we didn't join.

I have the same prediction for brexit.

 

[clint van damme]

That's the problem you don't seem to get we had a choice remain or leave, we could argue for hours about what remain looks like and what leave looks like but the question was a simple remain or leave and the uk voted to leave and that is what is now happening.

A lot more encouraged by yesterday's talks and my belief is in 20 years time when this has all passed we will look back on it just like I do praising the lord we didn't join the euro. Same people and businesses said our country would fall to bits if we didn't join it. London would collapse. People would be poorer. Mercifully we didn't join.

I have the same prediction for brexit.

it is quite clear that the scope of this whole thing is bigger than we realised though.

And hopefully everything will be alright but the economic indicators are pretty hard to read at the moment. Yes our economy i still growing which is good, but we'reill performing very poorly compared to the other G7 countries - long way to go before we know how this is going to pan out.

 

[martcov]

was it? Plenty who voted leave said immigration wasn't a factor - but everyone knew exactly what they were voting for apparently.

How can you say a free trade deal with Japan is great news until you know the detail, if might be, it might not be.

May and the U.K. Are under pressure because of Brexit. There was no way May was going to come back with nothing. We don't know what was discussed behind closed doors, but we do know that a 'scrap of paper' doesn't necessarily count for hard facts. Any deal has been kicked two years down the road- at least. Wait and see.

 

[Grendel]

May and the U.K. Are under pressure because of Brexit. There was no way May was going to come back with nothing. We don't know what was discussed behind closed doors, but we do know that a 'scrap of paper' doesn't necessarily count for hard facts. Any deal has been kicked two years down the road- at least. Wait and see.

Whenever Cameron or any predecessor went to Europe to negotiate fresh terms for the uk that's what they always got - precisely nothing.