Grendel
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Don't be mean he has lovely hair !
On his head?
Which is why I said I would be careful of doing that.
Although "fire and fury like the world has never seen before" comes very near...
Grendel
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You do realise that was a virtual parody of a JFK speech against China in the 60's?
I am sure Trump didn't know that. Also China in the 60s was no where near as militarily capable as today. I don't think that rhetoric frightens North Korea because they know China will never allow the USA to take action on the Korean Peninsula.
Maybe Putin thinks the same as I do... Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned the Trump administration the continuing hostility between the US and North Korea was close to deteriorating into a “large-scale conflict” and said the only way to de-escalate tensions was through talks.
Grendel
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Again though your lack of historical context shows.
When I mentioned Jfk and China you dismissed it must most historians would equate China in the 60's to North Korea today - funded by the Kremlin.
It's been proved that JFK was with an inch - or a fingertip - of triggering a nuclear attack on China as Nehru was convinced of an immediate assault. That's not even discussing the Cuban Missile Crises when WW 3 looked a certainty.
To start equating Trump as a threat in anywhere near the same scale as Kennedy is frankly laughable.
Email Putin then...
What do you mean exactly by they won't allow the USA to take action ? I'm pretty sure if that ugly little gimp landed a missile on Guam then the US would respond in kind ?!
Grendel
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No doubt 50 years ago you'd have said e mail Kruschev - you haven't a clue
clint van damme
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don't think it was a parody, don't think he has the wit, more plain old fashioned plagiarism - he has previous.
Yes they would.. but would China just say.. ok.? He knows he sits in a place where neither side ( US or China ) wants to make the first move for fear of the other ( in such a case, China replying by targeting some military target in South Korea ). Let's hope he is just bluffing... but if you say fire and fury you're going to look a fool if you don't carry your threat through... Ibwould be steering a wide berth
skybluetony176
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What a load of horse shit. JFK's fingers were no where near any button. The "proof " you talk about is tapes of a conversation between McNamara and Kennedy during the India-China war when McNamara suggested that a nuclear attack as opposed to American troops being killed on the ground. His finger was nowhere near the button as history has shown. Diplomacy by JFK settled the matter. He could do this because he unlike Trump understood diplomacy and how to use it.
Well, you should know there was no such thing as an email 50 years ago being clued up history. I was only suggesting you point your argument out to Putin as he seems to think the USA could cause a wider conflict as I also suggested. I may not have a clue, but I suspect Putin has a wealth of information that neither you nor I have.
Sick Boy
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I presume you'd be putting yourself forward with the troops then?
skybluetony176
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God help us. Or should that be them, as in the troops. Imagine being stuck behind enemy lines with Grendull. Death couldn't come quick enough
Kingokings204
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I asked you to explain why you thought the euro was strong against the pound. I gave you a clue. It has to do with Brexit whereas you were saying it has been declining gradually for 3 or 4 years anyway..
scubasteve
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I thought you said trump was colluding with Putin and Russia? Now putin is warning trump and USA. So Is trump still in bed with Russia, or just when it suits you? But now you agree with Putin.... seriously you like to flip flop with your ideology to suit.
Kingokings204
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The reason for the sharp decline upon the brexit vote was the pound was backed heavily and over valued as a result so when brexit became clear on the night you have what's called a run where everyone gets out of there as fast as they can and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when actually you can be better off just staying where you are. So that's the big decline and whilst the talks continue the pound won't climb to quite your expert as he is right. This helps exporters and the ftse100 and their value rise in the mean time.
Give it time and it will find its place naturally and then you have that balance you need for a stable economy.
Kingokings204
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It's hardly strong against the pound though is it. It's about level, a pound gets you a roughly a euro.
As for brexit of course it's had a big impact I agree but to pretend it's all brexits fault is ludicrous. That's was my point that's the pound has been falling for 3 years. That wasn't brexit.
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shmmeee
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Firstly, that’s the last four years and it’s clearly not been falling.
Secondly, see that peak at the end of 2015/start of 2016? That’s when Cameron fucked up negotiations and came back until he announced the referendum.
Thirdly, see that steep drop halfway through 2016? That’s this:
From: The stunning collapse of the British pound, in charts
It was Brexit.
I think Trump got help from Russia. I think Putin is pissed off that the help didn't bring what he wanted. In fact Trump daren't show too much preference for Putin because of the ongoing investigations and military people - who are wary of Russis - are in key positions in the Trump cabinet. I haven't changed my mind on Trump. Everyday something more comes out.
As Schmee's graph shows, you are way off the mark. It was Brexit. The pound will find it's natural level way lower than when we were in the EU. The advantages of a cheap pound will eventually by eaten away by inflation. The stock market is high partly because of low interest rates and because shares are cheaper for foreign investors because of the weak pound. When prices rise faster than wages domestic demand will fall and the stock market will drop because of falling profits of firms dependent on strong domestic demand. Enjoy.
Kingokings204
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Firstly, that’s the last four years and it’s clearly not been falling.
Secondly, see that peak at the end of 2015/start of 2016? That’s when Cameron fucked up negotiations and came back until he announced the referendum.
Thirdly, see that steep drop halfway through 2016? That’s this:
From: The stunning collapse of the British pound, in charts
It was Brexit.
Sorry but that first chart is something else. You've got the wrong one I'm afraid.
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Kingokings204
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So as you can now correctly see the pound started failing in June July 2014 when it was at 1.73 and has steadily declined since then and the brexit vote accelerated the decline due to a massive gamble on us staying in the eu and now the uncertainty it has now caused for now.
Strong means in relation to what it was. It was 83p, it is now 93p. It has absolutely nothing to do with parity to the currency unit. But there again you claim to know more about these things than I do.
Kingokings204
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The graph isn't right you donut. It has it at 1.28 and it wasn't it was 1.73 in July 2014.
Go and re check your facts and come back to me yeah?
Kingokings204
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I clearly do. You quoted a graph posted by schmee that's completely wrong and then had the cheek to make a point on it to be right where tbf it's made you look a bit silly. Look at my graph posted its the official decline of the pound over the last 5 years.
Where is the massive gamble? And what happened to the pound mid 2016?
Kingokings204
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Kingokings204
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Brexit. We all know brexit caused the pound to drop massively in June 2016. The reason it was so dramatic was there was a massive gamble on us staying the eu and when on the night we voted brexit they all ran faster than a cheetah.
Grendel
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Firstly, that’s the last four years and it’s clearly not been falling.
Secondly, see that peak at the end of 2015/start of 2016? That’s when Cameron fucked up negotiations and came back until he announced the referendum.
Thirdly, see that steep drop halfway through 2016? That’s this:
From: The stunning collapse of the British pound, in charts
It was Brexit.
Have you drawn the first graph yourself? What is it?