Should drugs be legalised? (2 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

You are sending a convicted drug user to a place that is full of drugs. Then once they come out they can't get a job because they have a criminal record. You do know reoffending is a thing right? and the rates are huge in this country.

in an ideal world if we are strict on drugs outside of prison we would be same inside.

cant hypothisise about sending all druggies to prison but then refuse to beleive prisons would change from how they are currently.

 

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[Nick]

in an ideal world if we are strict on drugs outside of prison we would be same inside.

cant hypothisise about sending all druggies to prison but then refuse to beleive prisons would change from how they are currently.

Being strict on it doesn't stop it.

 

[clint van damme]

YUP,our govt too weak to punish me

luckily i quit

but if i hadnt time in prison would have made me shape up!

no one is going to prison for smoking cannabis.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Anyway the idea that harsher punishments stop people doing something is nonsense. In the Philippines now they're murdering drug users and nothing has changed. The only proven way to reduce the harmful effects of drugs on society is to decriminalise them and treat it as a public health issue.

Point of order. They are not murdering people, its state policy, they are eradicating drug dealers.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Point of order. They are not murdering people, its state policy, they are eradicating drug dealers.

Executing people without trial is murder

 

[Grendel]

The legalisation of drugs is ill advised for numerous reasons.

The argument deployed that it harms only the individual concerned is not correct. There is growing evidence of long term use having significant impacts on mental health. It's not co-incidence that many terrorist activities are done by losers with a history of cannabis usage.

Professor Nutt tried to lessen its danger by combine health and social economic factors on his scale. Proposterous in itself but more so when he didn't factor an inevitable increase legalisation would have. When confronted he admitted the mental health issue but brushed it off and talked about horse riding.

The alcohol and tobacco industries are well established globally and cannot be stopped. That's no argument to legalise a substance that also can damage health and create social nuisance.

The argument regarding drugs in prison is equally absurd. The system is failed at that point and the failure should be addressed.

Probably the most ridiculous thing on here is the argument you can break laws you don't like. The country has a democratic voice and law changing is made through political means.

To suggest otherwise promotes anarchy. Look at the cleric preacher who is Mr Livingstones friend who believes force and discipline should be applied to women who disobey the males in the family. If he and his followers believe our laws are not representing his belief is he ok to exert discipline?

Clearly not as the law protects individuals. So break a law get punished. Look to change go to the ballot box.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Executing people without trial is murder

Not if the state deems it legal, which in the Philippines is the case.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not if the state deems it legal, which in the Philippines is the case.

Under international law it's extrajudicial killing and very illegal. I wouldn't expect a reasoned argument about this from somebody who is happy to live in a wahabist state that stones people to death anyway.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

What has the state policy of the Philippines got to do with Saudi Arabia?
I could respond to you in kind but frankly it achieves nothing. Just like your argument on drugs, you are pissing in the wind and have nowhere to go.

 

[Grendel]

Under international law it's extrajudicial killing and very illegal. I wouldn't expect a reasoned argument about this from somebody who is happy to live in a wahabist state that stones people to death anyway.

You really are pathetic. Why don't you join a sixth form debating society. You are so out of your league it's embarrassing.

 

[covmark]

The legalisation of drugs is ill advised for numerous reasons.

The argument deployed that it harms only the individual concerned is not correct. There is growing evidence of long term use having significant impacts on mental health. It's not co-incidence that many terrorist activities are done by losers with a history of cannabis usage.

Professor Nutt tried to lessen its danger by combine health and social economic factors on his scale. Proposterous in itself but more so when he didn't factor an inevitable increase legalisation would have. When confronted he admitted the mental health issue but brushed it off and talked about horse riding.

The alcohol and tobacco industries are well established globally and cannot be stopped. That's no argument to legalise a substance that also can damage health and create social nuisance.

The argument regarding drugs in prison is equally absurd. The system is failed at that point and the failure should be addressed.

Probably the most ridiculous thing on here is the argument you can break laws you don't like. The country has a democratic voice and law changing is made through political means.

To suggest otherwise promotes anarchy. Look at the cleric preacher who is Mr Livingstones friend who believes force and discipline should be applied to women who disobey the males in the family. If he and his followers believe our laws are not representing his belief is he ok to exert discipline?

Clearly not as the law protects individuals. So break a law get punished. Look to change go to the ballot box.

I can't believe you are linking having a joint with terrorism
You're bonkers mate.

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[letsallsingtogether]

The legalisation of drugs is ill advised for numerous reasons.

The argument deployed that it harms only the individual concerned is not correct. There is growing evidence of long term use having significant impacts on mental health. It's not co-incidence that many terrorist activities are done by losers with a history of cannabis usage.

Professor Nutt tried to lessen its danger by combine health and social economic factors on his scale. Proposterous in itself but more so when he didn't factor an inevitable increase legalisation would have. When confronted he admitted the mental health issue but brushed it off and talked about horse riding.

The alcohol and tobacco industries are well established globally and cannot be stopped. That's no argument to legalise a substance that also can damage health and create social nuisance.

The argument regarding drugs in prison is equally absurd. The system is failed at that point and the failure should be addressed.

Probably the most ridiculous thing on here is the argument you can break laws you don't like. The country has a democratic voice and law changing is made through political means.

To suggest otherwise promotes anarchy. Look at the cleric preacher who is Mr Livingstones friend who believes force and discipline should be applied to women who disobey the males in the family. If he and his followers believe our laws are not representing his belief is he ok to exert discipline?

Clearly not as the law protects individuals. So break a law get punished. Look to change go to the ballot box.

Can't t argue with that the only flaw is the prisons are full and they keep letting people of with pathetic fines and 10 hours unpaid work.
They should bring back prisoner's working for the community they have harmed.

 

[shmmeee]

The legalisation of drugs is ill advised for numerous reasons.

The argument deployed that it harms only the individual concerned is not correct. There is growing evidence of long term use having significant impacts on mental health. It's not co-incidence that many terrorist activities are done by losers with a history of cannabis usage.

Professor Nutt tried to lessen its danger by combine health and social economic factors on his scale. Proposterous in itself but more so when he didn't factor an inevitable increase legalisation would have. When confronted he admitted the mental health issue but brushed it off and talked about horse riding.

The alcohol and tobacco industries are well established globally and cannot be stopped. That's no argument to legalise a substance that also can damage health and create social nuisance.

The argument regarding drugs in prison is equally absurd. The system is failed at that point and the failure should be addressed.

Probably the most ridiculous thing on here is the argument you can break laws you don't like. The country has a democratic voice and law changing is made through political means.

To suggest otherwise promotes anarchy. Look at the cleric preacher who is Mr Livingstones friend who believes force and discipline should be applied to women who disobey the males in the family. If he and his followers believe our laws are not representing his belief is he ok to exert discipline?

Clearly not as the law protects individuals. So break a law get punished. Look to change go to the ballot box.

Showing your ignorance again I see.

Don’t even know where to start with this shitshow of a post.

You’d have made a cracking Nazi guard is all I’d say.

 

[Grendel]

I can't believe you are linking having a joint with terrorism
You're bonkers mate.

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You are aware that as an example the pair who beheaded Lee Rigby had a history of cannabis abuse? Now tell me what would have been the response to a government that legalised the drug one day and the next this occurred?

 

[Grendel]

Showing your ignorance again I see.

Don’t even know where to start with this shitshow of a post.

You’d have made a cracking Nazi guard is all I’d say.

What a killer response from the statistical expert they claimed food had increased in price since Brexit by 20%.

You cannot even construct an argument based on face or opinion from research. I'm surprised how ignorant of historical fact you are if I'm honest.

Love the Ken Livingston bit at the end.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

I'm doing quite well in the prediction league

 

[covcity4life]

gambling is another one

I can gamble. Sometimes i get a thrill from it. Some othrt people csnt control.it. they lose everything. Hsrm thrmselves and their family

If gambling was made illegal i might be peeved but the country would be better off overall. No one NEEDS to gamble. Just like they dont NEED to drink alcohol.or.smoke weed. Stop asking for laws to be changed to make harmful things easier to get.

Think of the bigger picture. Vote for me. Ill sort this country that u have fucked up you potheads!

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

gambling is another one

I can gamble. Sometimes i get a thrill from it. Some othrt people csnt control.it. they lose everything. Hsrm thrmselves and their family

If gambling was made illegal i might be peeved but the country would be better off overall. No one NEEDS to gamble. Just like they dont NEED to drink alcohol.or.smoke weed. Stop asking for laws to be changed to make harmful things easier to get.

Think of the bigger picture. Vote for me. Ill sort this country that u have fucked up you potheads!

Your natural environment is Saudi Arabia !!!

 

[covcity4life]

Your natural environment is Saudi Arabia !!!

I am a terrorist i guess

I never knew till the day i dared to say harmful things should be banned

Whay a bastard i am!

 

[clint van damme]

gambling is another one

I can gamble. Sometimes i get a thrill from it. Some othrt people csnt control.it. they lose everything. Hsrm thrmselves and their family

If gambling was made illegal i might be peeved but the country would be better off overall. No one NEEDS to gamble. Just like they dont NEED to drink alcohol.or.smoke weed. Stop asking for laws to be changed to make harmful things easier to get.

Think of the bigger picture. Vote for me. Ill sort this country that u have fucked up you potheads!

if gambling was made illegal no one would gamble, you're on fire tonight mate.

 

[covcity4life]

if gambling was made illegal no one would gamble, you're on fire tonight mate.

No one is saying that. Dont be so slow

It would minimise the amount of gambling tho

No one is saying all crime can be stopped. But i would rather stop harmful acts and have ppl go oit of thetr way to get it than legalise it and let people harm Themselves whilst i pride myself on them not breaking laws to get hold it

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Ok why am I doing quite well in the prediction league

Discuss

 

[shmmeee]

No one is saying that. Dont be so slow

It would minimise the amount of gambling tho

No one is saying all crime can be stopped. But i would rather stop harmful acts and have ppl go oit of thetr way to get it than legalise it and let people harm Themselves whilst i pride myself on them not breaking laws to get hold it

That would be great in some imaginary candy land where that actually happens, but the evidence isn't on your side. A great example to look at is prohibition of alcohol. We've had it legal, illegal, then legal again and it provides some excellent data points.

What happened under prohibition?

- Organised crime thrived
- Quality control went out the window and harm from the drug massively increased
- Prices went up dragging addicts into destitution
- People drank anyway

Sound familiar?

Alcohol use is on the decline without it being banned, cigarette use is on the decline without a ban, education works where legislation doesn't.

Also: you ain't my Dad. It isn't your job to decide what is and isn't good for me. I think your religion is harmful to both you and society, but I shouldn't have the ability to stop you doing it unless it infringes on someone else's rights. That's basic liberal democracy.

 

[Grendel]

Considering this thread is about illegal assault at a football ground, I assume you also think we should ban live matches?

Even an attempt at a clever analogy is appallingly bad.

 

[shmmeee]

Even an attempt at a clever analogy is appallingly bad.

Took you fucking ages, and that was the best you could come up with?

Go on, give it another go.

Also: might want to look up what an analogy is.

 

[Grendel]

That would be great in some imaginary candy land where that actually happens, but the evidence isn't on your side. A great example to look at is prohibition of alcohol. We've had it legal, illegal, then legal again and it provides some excellent data points.

What happened under prohibition?

- Organised crime thrived
- Quality control went out the window and harm from the drug massively increased
- Prices went up dragging addicts into destitution
- People drank anyway

Sound familiar?

Alcohol use is on the decline without it being banned, cigarette use is on the decline without a ban, education works where legislation doesn't.

Also: you ain't my Dad. It isn't your job to decide what is and isn't good for me. I think your religion is harmful to both you and society, but I shouldn't have the ability to stop you doing it unless it infringes on someone else's rights. That's basic liberal democracy.

I love it when someone spits out hatred and abuse and ends their statement with liberal democracy. What is liberal democracy out of interest as opposed to just democracy?

 

[Grendel]

Took you fucking ages, and that was the best you could come up with?

Go on, give it another go.

With respect I've laid out my case in some detail. It's you who is not capable of an ariticulated response.

 

[shmmeee]

I love it when someone spits out hatred and abuse and ends their statement with liberal democracy. What is liberal democracy out of interest as opposed to just democracy?

Where's the hatred and abuse, you cock gobbler?

I don't teach any more, but as you're having so much of an issue with understanding basic words, I'll give you this one for free:

Liberal democracy: a democratic system of government in which individual rights and freedoms are officially recognized and protected, and the exercise of political power is limited by the rule of law.

Democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 

[shmmeee]

With respect I've laid out my case in some detail. It's you who is not capable of an ariticulated response.

Your case is full of crap. You're obsessed with David Nutt for some reason. You rant on about terrorists smoking cannabis like you've found some Nobel winning evidence.

If you've got any actual points, I'd be happy to respond (be quick though, I've got to put the kids to bed).

 

[covcity4life]

Shmee you call it candyland bur i only want to talk about how i would want it and enforce it.

I dont deny that without beong heavyhanded it probbaly wouldnt work

I do not want us to be saudi arabia but prople nees to be punished to learn lessons and serve as a leason for others too sometimes

This cointry is going downhil because girls having kids as teens and asbo kids killing people etc. All because we live in a world where 'ahhh its ok' and 'ahhh i wanna do drugs leave me alone im not hurting anyone' kinda mentality

 

[shmmeee]

Shmee you call it candyland bur i only want to talk about how i would want it and enforce it.

I dont deny that without beong heavyhanded it probbaly wouldnt work

I do not want us to be saudi arabia but prople nees to be punished to learn lessons and serve as a leason for others too sometimes

This cointry is going downhil because girls having kids as teens and asbo kids killing people etc. All because we live in a world where 'ahhh its ok' and 'ahhh i wanna do drugs leave me alone im not hurting anyone' kinda mentality

Do you think it works in Saudi Arabia?

Also, teenage pregnancy has been falling for decades, where have you been? As has teenage drug use.

 

[Grendel]

Where's the hatred and abuse, you cock gobbler?

I don't teach any more, but as you're having so much of an issue with understanding basic words, I'll give you this one for free:

Liberal democracy: a democratic system of government in which individual rights and freedoms are officially recognized and protected, and the exercise of political power is limited by the rule of law.

Democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

That's hogwash I'm afraid. Democracy is democracy. Your feeble attempt inserting the word liberal actually is an attempt to usurp some pathetic form of superiority over a poster who you claimed was in a religion that you consider unhealthy. A statement that is not actually aligned to a liberal democrat.

I'm not surprised you don't teach anymore. Your historical knowledge is appalling and your understanding of basic economics embarrassing. I guess the old adage is true.

Furthermore, you seem rather angry. I fail to see why. I've presented an argument you haven't tried to dismantle other than some absurd attempt to suggest I'm a Nazi concentration camp gaurd (some would be deeply offended but I'm just bemused given you clearly have abject ignorance on the subject as I exposed earlier)

In conclusion I'm afraid like another poster this level of debate is probably beyond you.

 

[covcity4life]

Do you think it works in Saudi Arabia?

Also, teenage pregnancy has been falling for decades, where have you been? As has teenage drug use.

I just said i dont want it to be like saudi arabia..not asking for hands to be cut off. Not saying thag works even!

Hes right you do seem very angry

 

[Grendel]

I just said i dont want it to be like saudi arabia..not asking for hands to be cut off. Not saying thag works even!

Hes right you do seem very angry

If teenage drug abuse is falling it's hardly a reason for legalisation. Then again according to Schmeee state intervention is offensive and certainly not "liberal" - so why mention it at all?

 

[Liquid Gold]

There no such thing as liberal democracy now haha, it's almost sad. Don't feed him.