The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (23 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

So you have just proved me right and you wrong.

I said unemployment was at a low.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Derailing Brexit.

You really think that's not been happening?

I'm not sure how you think they are directly having an effect on the Government's incompetence.

 

[Astute]

The country is reliant on those workers and it is unlikely actual migration will substantially fall. Isn't unemployment supposed to be at its lowest?

Unemployment isn't at its lowest. But employment is at its highest.

UK unemployment at lowest level since 1975 - but prices rise faster than pay

That's from the Telegraph, so can't be accused of socialist propaganda.

You was saying.......

We joined the EU in 73. Then unemployment went up

 

[Astute]

I'm not sure how you think they are directly having an effect on the Government's incompetence.

Why are you trying to disagree with those who agree with you?

 

[clint van damme]

And that is it?

That means May and Boris are OK then because neither do they.

it doesn't mean they're OK with me I disagree with their policies but speaking at a rally for a far right group is a different level of cuntishness as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Astute]

it doesn't mean they're OK with me I disagree with their policies but speaking at a rally for a far right group is a different level of cuntishness as far as I'm concerned.

But Juncker is OK because he doesn't join the rallies isn't he?

As usual in this thread what is good for one isn't good for the other.

 

[clint van damme]

But Juncker is OK because he doesn't join the rallies isn't he?

As usual in this thread what is good for one isn't good for the other.

You really don't need me to explain this to you mate. We all have our believes, and we agree or disagree with politicians based on how they represent us.
Some we grow to hate, some we develop a special hatred for.
For me, someone who aligns themselves with the far right will get that special hatred from me.
If you think Junkers worse then that's your call but for me Farage, is absolute scum and you can post all night but you won't change my opinion.

 

[Sick Boy]

You was saying.......

We joined the EU in 73. Then unemployment went up

And the economy boomed and unemployment was at a low in the EU as well.

 

[Astute]

You really don't need me to explain this to you mate. We all have our believes, and we agree or disagree with politicians based on how they represent us.
Some we grow to hate, some we develop a special hatred for.
For me, someone who aligns themselves with the far right will get that special hatred from me.
If you think Junkers worse then that's your call but for me Farage, is absolute scum and you can post all night but you won't change my opinion.

But why try to make out that I like Farage to try and make a point?

 

[Sick Boy]

But why try to make out that I like Farage to try and make a point?

I don't think he did but some posters on here certainly admire and deflect away from him.

 

[Astute]

And the economy boomed and unemployment was at a low in the EU as well.

When was that?

Do you mean now when we are supposed to be doing badly?

 

[clint van damme]

But why try to make out that I like Farage to try and make a point?

I said to ESB1 that farage should be nowhere near negotiations after he said he should.
You said the one to keep away from negotiations is junker. But by saying it you've implied that you prefer farage to junker and that's what I've taken from it.
Of course that doesn't mean you like him just prefer him to junker but that's not something I'll ever agree with you on.

 

[Astute]

And the economy boomed and unemployment was at a low in the EU as well.

Read it again. I am supposed to think that Farage is better than Juncker. But neither has a place in serious politics. They are both a joke.

 

[Astute]

I said to ESB1 that farage should be nowhere near negotiations after he said he should.
You said the one to keep away from negotiations is junker. But by saying it you've implied that you prefer farage to junker and that's what I've taken from it.
Of course that doesn't mean you like him just prefer him to junker but that's not something I'll ever agree with you on.

Farage is nothing to do with negotiations and never will be. Juncker wants to run the show. Very big difference.

 

[clint van damme]

Farage is nothing to do with negotiations and never will be. Juncker wants to run the show. Very big difference.

but ESB1 said he should be and that was why I posted saying he's the last man that should be let near negotiations in my opinion.

 

[martcov]

Farage is nothing to do with negotiations and never will be. Juncker wants to run the show. Very big difference.

I think you overestimate Juncker. He has said what he would like. People are giving their opinions on it. That's it. Maybe some things will happen soon and others in the distant future. Farage though is a total tosser who has had far too much airtime for his lies and distortions. His nationalistic vision is of nation states putting their countries first and having committee meetings to sort out problems. The main problem being that a Europe of competing selfish states will be pushed aside by the larger developing countries and by the USA. Forget the nostalgia of a powerful Britain going it alone. That cannot work judging by the economic growth of countries like India, Brazil and China. I think the main problem we have with negotiations is not what Juncker wants - at least he knows what he wants- but that we aren't agreed on what we want. We want to go, but where to and in which direction? Total cock up.

 

[Astute]

And the economy boomed and unemployment was at a low in the EU as well.

If unemployment was low why is it now the lowest since 75 as you showed in the link? So in other words it went up after 75.

 

[Astute]

but ESB1 said he should be and that was why I posted saying he's the last man that should be let near negotiations in my opinion.

And you are trying to make out that I think he should be in the negotiations or that I like the bloke. You have put it in black and white.

 

[Astute]

I think you overestimate Juncker. He has said what he would like. People are giving their opinions on it. That's it. Maybe some things will happen soon and others in the distant future. Farage though is a total tosser who has had far too much airtime for his lies and distortions. His nationalistic vision is of nation states putting their countries first and having committee meetings to sort out problems. The main problem being that a Europe of competing selfish states will be pushed aside by the larger developing countries and by the USA. Forget the nostalgia of a powerful Britain going it alone. That cannot work judging by the economic growth of countries like India, Brazil and China. I think the main problem we have with negotiations is not what Juncker wants - at least he knows what he wants- but that we aren't agreed on what we want. We want to go, but where to and in which direction? Total cock up.

Juncker has got it his way so far. So why should I be confident it will suddenly change?

He is the head of the EU. Why would everyone suddenly ignore him?

FFS you two are getting desperate trying to connect me with Farage in some way. What more can I say than earlier that Farage and Juncker shouldn't be anywhere near serious politics? They are a pair of twats who are in it for what they can get out of it.

 

[clint van damme]

And you are trying to make out that I think he should be in the negotiations or that I like the bloke. You have put it in black and white.

incredible that that is what you take from it.

 

[Sick Boy]

If unemployment was low why is it now the lowest since 75 as you showed in the link? So in other words it went up after 75.

The EU held a gun to the likes of Thatcher no doubt?

 

[Grendel]

The EU held a gun to the likes of Thatcher no doubt?

No thatcher was a dribbling europhile - you and her are at one on the subject.

 

[Sick Boy]

No thatcher was a dribbling europhile - you and her are at one on the subject.

Why do Europhiles dribble in your warped world?

 

[Astute]

You said the one to keep away from negotiations is junker. But by saying it you've implied that you prefer farage to junker and that's what I've taken from it.

incredible that that is what you take from it.

You was saying.......

 

[Astute]

The EU held a gun to the likes of Thatcher no doubt?

No. You said unemployment was lower in the EU. Yet you showed in a link that it went up after we joined the EU.

So yet again you contradict yourself then try and wriggle out of it. Are you Grendels understudy?

 

[clint van damme]

You was saying.......

yep nothing there to prove your point.
You engaged in some whataboutery when you said the one to keep away is junker so again, it implies you prefer him to junker though it doesn't mean you necessarily like him.

 

[Astute]

Why do Europhiles dribble in your warped world?

Why does everyone that doesn't agree with you agree with Farage?

 

[Liquid Gold]

I'm a massive 'remoaner' but I'm prepared to say Junker is a twat. One man doesn't make an organisation though, he's head of the commission which can pass no legislation without putting it through the, directly elected, EU parliament.

Could we have someone better in his position? Yes, definitely.
Does that warrant abandoning the whole thing? No.

 

[Astute]

yep nothing there to prove your point.
You engaged in some whataboutery when you said the one to keep away is junker so again, it implies you prefer him to junker though it doesn't mean you necessarily like him.

So it is no secret that I don't like Farage. It is no secret that I think neither should be in serious politics.

You have no point against what I am saying so you as usual come out with something about Farage. Most people that voted leave don't like Farage. That would be like saying that you agree with everything that Juncker says as you want us to stay in the EU.

 

[Sick Boy]

No. You said unemployment was lower in the EU. Yet you showed in a link that it went up after we joined the EU.

So yet again you contradict yourself then try and wriggle out of it. Are you Grendels understudy?

If you think that an increase in unemployment is all down to the EU then I don't know what to say.

 

[Astute]

I'm a massive 'remoaner' but I'm prepared to say Junker is a twat. One man doesn't make an organisation though, he's head of the commission which can pass no legislation without putting it through the, directly elected, EU parliament.

Could we have someone better in his position? Yes, definitely.
Does that warrant abandoning the whole thing? No.

Spot on.

It isn't because Juncker is in charge though. It is changes he keeps pushing through. We don't have the power to change anything. Being in the EU costs us about 175m a week net. Yet we have as much of a say as those who take millions out each week. I don't see that as being fair. And the more countries that join the more diluted our say becomes.

 

[Astute]

If you think that an increase in unemployment is all down to the EU then I don't know what to say.

You will do as you said it was now the lowest. But it is only the lowest since we joined the EU.

 

[clint van damme]

So it is no secret that I don't like Farage. It is no secret that I think neither should be in serious politics.

You have no point against what I am saying so you as usual come out with something about Farage. Most people that voted leave don't like Farage. That would be like saying that you agree with everything that Juncker says as you want us to stay in the EU.

Are you mental? I didn't initiate discussing Farage. ESB1 did, I responded to him saying Farage should lead negotiations and you jumped in and started going on about Junker.
Which renders the following statement:

"You have no point against what I am saying so you as usual come out with something about Farage"

as paranoid nonsense.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Spot on.

It isn't because Juncker is in charge though. It is changes he keeps pushing through. We don't have the power to change anything. Being in the EU costs us about 175m a week net. Yet we have as much of a say as those who take millions out each week. I don't see that as being fair. And the more countries that join the more diluted our say becomes.

But the point of that is those countries take more to develop their economy and infrastructure. Once they do there will be no need to divert funds to them and there will be much more money to be made all round through trade.

 

[Astute]

You said the one to keep away from negotiations is junker. But by saying it you've implied that you prefer farage to junker and that's what I've taken from it.

Are you mental? I didn't initiate discussing Farage. ESB1 did, I responded to him saying Farage should lead negotiations and you jumped in and started going on about Junker.
Which renders the following statement:

"You have no point against what I am saying so you as usual come out with something about Farage"

as paranoid nonsense.

Try and explain this away instead of ignoring it then.