That Juncker is a skunk, he really is. The EU crowd have once again shown their true colours this week and will continue to do so. They throw in token crap that has pretty much been sorted like EU citizens rights as an excuse to stall talks but in truth it's all about the money they want to grab !
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (24 Viewers)
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Captain Dart
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So what do y'all think about Juncker's illegal state aid for Luxemboug?
Europe 'to bill Amazon for back taxes'
What a naughty boy.
Europe 'to bill Amazon for back taxes'
What a naughty boy.
chiefdave
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Given we were being told last week the EU was a dictatorship and it was solely down to Juncker what happened then isn't it down to him that they're being billed for back taxes, or is it only a dictatorship when it supports your argument?
Captain Dart
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I don't believe I said that? I do think there is insufficient democracy, if the EU is going to have powerful political leaders they shouldn't be appointed by what is in effect an electoral college of MEPs. https://www.economist.com/news/euro...-eus-democratic-deficit-election-or-selection
Kingokings204
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Absolutely this. I think everyone knows this. All they want and will still want is our money. It's all about money. It's the only language they know. They employ the most amount of civil servants for a union in the latest state of the art buildings. Jet around the world and wine and dine plentiful, get pensions not seen anywhere else in the world. No wonder all the uk policticans want to stay in. It's a great gig after uk politics has finished. Now we vote to leave and 10b a year is set to go.
Please Britain please stay. Or give us 100b and you can go as that gives us times to put up every one else's bill.
Everything you need to know about this EU. Money. Money money.
Grendel
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Indeed. Martcov was lecturing me on democracy the other day - it's seems EU and democracy are having the week off given the silence over Catalonia
Kingokings204
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Wasn't even mentioned in junckers EU speech yesterday aired by the BBC in the EU parliament. The classic head in the sand stuff. I won't mention it and we all pretend it didn't happen. It's set a precedent now of course.
fernandopartridge
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I've said it before but post Brexit I can foresee an Irish clamour to exit.
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I thought the political leaders were the MEPs and the European Council - not the civil servants?
Grendel
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Definetely.
Whatever they do will be wrong. If they take Spain's side they will be undemocratic. If they take Catalonia's side, they will be interefereing in a member's own constitutional affairs. If they do nothing it will prove that the EU is greedy. No doubt Grendel knows what to do.... Oh, I know, back Brexit and screw Europe...
Grendel
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What's your view on Catalonia?
I hope that money - or rather agreed financial commitments - are enforced. The EU has the responsibilty to 27 members to ensure this is done. How come Britain still doesn't know what it wants and has a cabinet led by an ineffective leader and comprised of people who are juggling for power and their own career interests above the interests of the UK? BTW, Britain has been recruiting thousands of civil servants to take over offices replacing EU institutions - so I shouldn't play the bureaucracy card.
The EU is not to blame for Britain's unpreparedness. They have had well over a year to tell us specifically a. what they want from the EU, and b. what definite benefits the British electorate are going to get out of Brexit ( vague comments like "control of our borders", "Brexit means Brexit" etc. don't say anything which you can quantify as a benefit ).
'Britain has been recruiting thousands of civil servants to take over offices replacing EU institutions - so I shouldn't play the bureaucracy card.'.............Yup British jobs for British people !! That's how it should be of course !
It's a gravy train for Belgium, the French and of course Germany. Poland does well too as not only do they take a huge share of cash, they export their unemployment problem too. My mate has a house in Bulgaria near the ski resorts, he says that the whole area has been revamped with billions of Euro's of EU money, good for him but for the UK ?? Nah
As for unpreparedness, you are only reading bullshit in bias news outlets. You've just said yourself there is a big recruitment drive. We've put plenty of proposals to Barnier and his muppets but the unelected cretins are like a stuck record........money, money, money !
It's a gravy train for Belgium, the French and of course Germany. Poland does well too as not only do they take a huge share of cash, they export their unemployment problem too. My mate has a house in Bulgaria near the ski resorts, he says that the whole area has been revamped with billions of Euro's of EU money, good for him but for the UK ?? Nah
As for unpreparedness, you are only reading bullshit in bias news outlets. You've just said yourself there is a big recruitment drive. We've put plenty of proposals to Barnier and his muppets but the unelected cretins are like a stuck record........money, money, money !
Grendel
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You truly are a disgrace - we should pay want we contractually owe and that's it. If there isn't an instant formula to calculate that and an agreement by all members when signing treaties of their obligations then we should just abandon negotiations and walk away. German car prices will instantly rise and sales will be lost in their highest profit market. Let's see who comes back to the negotiating table then shall we.
skybluetony176
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What are you basing that on?
Kingokings204
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Blimey British jobs for British workers. There is a terrible thing hey.
Britain doesn't owe anything beyond 2020 and that's the end of it. I'm not blaming the EU to have a go at trying to get more but it's tells you everything you need to know about the black hole created by brexit. Maybe their pensions will have to be cut 5% see how that goes down hey Mart? I tell you it will be the EU citizen to pay for Britains missing money it won't be their pay packet and lifestyle.
Kingokings204
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Probably the 3 referendums they had in 2008 Tony? You remember don't you? the first two where they voted no to the Lisbon treaty and were told to vote a third time and get it right please. Probably that.
Sick Boy
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The EU doesn't get involved in domestic politics, as I'm sure you know.
Sick Boy
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Highly unlikely. The EU has a very high approval rating.
Captain Dart
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But they are not the electorate, they are an electoral college & I think that is not sufficiently democratic.
fernandopartridge
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Not amongst any of the Irish people I know. They were admiring of the UK public's vote to leave. Remember they voted against the Lisbon treaty first time around.
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skybluetony176
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You also have to remember that they take out more than they pay in, you also have to remember they have the Euro as a currency, can't really comment on the feeling amongst the population but even if there was a hunger I can't see the politicians sharing that opinion. As you pointed out, they had to have two referendums on the Lisbon treaty, can't see them doing a Cameron and taking the risk of the in out referendum.
Euroscepticism in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia
According to Wikipedia the EU has an 80% approval rating in Ireland. Must be true
This was an interesting bit
"A poll conducted by Red C in January 2017 found that 70% are in favour of EU membership while 28% said they would vote for an 'Irexit' if there was a "hard border" with Northern Ireland. [12]Additional Eurobarometer and Red C polls in the first half of 2017 found that a significant majority agree that Ireland should remain in the European Union, with the former poll suggesting 90% support for freedom of movement of EU nationals, and 85% support for economic and monetary union."
Seems that a soft border with the North could have a big bearing on the EU approval rating. The British government obviously doesn't have an appetite for a hard border, the Irish government doesn't either. Seems unlikely that there will be a hard border.
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Astute
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WOW.
Nothing about Luxembourg where Juncker was in charge of. But you come back with Ireland that you normally sympathise with.
Astute
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There are 28 members. So why do you say 27?
Astute
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You racist twat.
The proper term is British jobs for anyone who lives in the EU although we don't have enough homes to guarantee somewhere to live.
Astute
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Astute
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Domestic is anything that happens in the EU. That is unless it doesn't suit.
Do you vote on UK leading civil servants? Can you even name them?
Or, EU jobs for EU citizens? How many houses extra had May just propsed btw?
1 member is negotiating leaving on it's own. The rest, 27, are being represented by the EU negotiating team led by Barnier.
All Irish people I know think that the Brits created the border problem in the first place and are now doing it again. I know no Irish person who thinks that Brexit is a good idea. ( I think Grendel may be of Irish descent, but I don't know him - apart from on here ).
Undecided. Some say it's a distraction used by right wing populists. But, I don't know enough to have an "educated" opinion.
Grendel
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Freedom of movement is a big issue for the UK. The reality is that it leads to wage suppression. Supply of foreign labour needs regulating.