The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (45 Viewers)

[Grendel]

All Irish people I know think that the Brits created the border problem in the first place and are now doing it again. I know no Irish person who thinks that Brexit is a good idea. ( I think Grendel may be of Irish descent, but I don't know him - apart from on here ).

The vast majority of Northern Ireland think remaining in the uk is far more important than remaining in the EU.

 

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[Sick Boy]

The vast majority of Northern Ireland think remaining in the uk is far more important than remaining in the EU.

That's why even unionists have been getting Irish passports and they voted to remain overall. Chances are NI will remain in the customs union.

 

[Sick Boy]

Not amongst any of the Irish people I know. They were admiring of the UK public's vote to leave. Remember they voted against the Lisbon treaty first time around.

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None of my family or anyone I know in Ireland think it's a good idea. It has something like 80% approval rating of the EU.

 

[Grendel]

That's why even unionists have been getting Irish passports and they voted to remain overall. Chances are NI will remain in the customs union.

You've totally skirted round the point I've made. It's ridiculous even discussing it really

 

[Sick Boy]

You've totally skirted round the point I've made. It's ridiculous even discussing it really

What exactly is your point based on? What evidence?

 

[Grendel]

None of my family or anyone I know in Ireland think it's a good idea. It has something like 80% approval rating of the EU.

Amazing how many personal life experiences you can quote to "support" your argument.

 

[martcov]

The vast majority of Northern Ireland think remaining in the uk is far more important than remaining in the EU.

Yes, but they voted remain when asked on that topic.

 

[martcov]

Freedom of movement is a big issue for the UK. The reality is that it leads to wage suppression. Supply of foreign labour needs regulating.

That is disputed - or at least whether it makes significant difference.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

How come Britain still doesn't know what it wants

The EU is not to blame for Britain's unpreparedness. They have had well over a year to tell us specifically a. what they want from the EU).

How could you possibly be in a position to know that the UK negotiating team is unprepared or doesn't know what it wants? You're just lapping up the EU propaganda and repeating it parrot fashion on here.

The lack of progress in the talks has nothing to do with the UK's unpreparedness and everything to do with the fact that the EU want to humiliate and make an example of a nation who stuck two fingers up to them. Barnier is not negotiating, he's stonewalling. He's a clown, just like pisshead Junkers. As every week goes by their attitude and words confirm that this country made the right decision.

The PM bent over backwards in her Florence speech to try to get things moving. I believed at the time she went way too far way too early. It showed weakness. Now that her offers have been dismissed and thrown back at her, she should give them an ultimatum that unless significant progress is made on the EU's side by the end of the month, all the Florence offers are off the table. Walk away.

 

[Sick Boy]

Amazing how many personal life experiences you can quote to "support" your argument.

I come from an Irish family so it's hardly a surprise, is it?

 

[Grendel]

What exactly is your point based on? What evidence?

There was a large poll of voters across all religious and political spectrums - 7% wanted union with the Republic - 7%. More said they'd consider this in 20 years but even then 60% said no under any circumstances. So you're notion that this will lead to a unified Ireland is complete drivel I'm afraid.

 

[martcov]

You truly are a disgrace - we should pay want we contractually owe and that's it. If there isn't an instant formula to calculate that and an agreement by all members when signing treaties of their obligations then we should just abandon negotiations and walk away. German car prices will instantly rise and sales will be lost in their highest profit market. Let's see who comes back to the negotiating table then shall we.

Exactly what I said - commitments should be honoured. Depends how clever German car manufacturers are...... there is more than one way of skinning a cat...

 

[Sick Boy]

There was a large poll of voters across all religious and political spectrums - 7% wanted union with the Republic - 7%. More said they'd consider this in 20 years but even then 60% said no under any circumstances. So you're notion that this will lead to a unified Ireland is complete drivel I'm afraid.

Got a link to it? I haven't mentioned a unified Ireland, have I? Although I do think long-term it will happen.

What happened to your respect for other opinions and beliefs that you were bleating on about recently?

 

[Grendel]

Got a link to it? I haven't mentioned a unified Ireland, have I? Although I do think long-term it will happen.

What happened to your respect for other opinions and beliefs that you were bleating on about recently?

No one of my Irish relatives told me about it

 

[Nick]

What's your view on Catalonia?

Mulder and Scully was catchy.

 

[Grendel]

That is disputed - or at least whether it makes significant difference.

Oh better take that up with the Unite leader then as I was quoted him

 

[Grendel]

Yes, but they voted remain when asked on that topic.

By a much smaller margin than the unity issue with Britain - 100,000 and 7 areas voted leave.

 

[Kingokings204]

How could you possibly be in a position to know that the UK negotiating team is unprepared or doesn't know what it wants? You're just lapping up the EU propaganda and repeating it parrot fashion on here.

The lack of progress in the talks has nothing to do with the UK's unpreparedness and everything to do with the fact that the EU want to humiliate and make an example of a nation who stuck two fingers up to them. Barnier is not negotiating, he's stonewalling. He's a clown, just like pisshead Junkers. As every week goes by their attitude and words confirm that this country made the right decision.

The PM bent over backwards in her Florence speech to try to get things moving. I believed at the time she went way too far way too early. It showed weakness. Now that her offers have been dismissed and thrown back at her, she should give them an ultimatum that unless significant progress is made on the EU's side by the end of the month, all the Florence offers are off the table. Walk away.

Yes spot on. Don't do what bullies what you to do and pander to their demands. We have done enough now and what we need to do now is give them a deadline and if talks aren't going by then say Christmas then walk away and go to WTO rules. See what happens then.

Right now we need to walk away. They can't bully us if we walk away. Power is taken away.

 

[martcov]

Oh better take that up with the Unite leader then as I was quoted him

I didn't know you believed left wing leaders...

 

[Grendel]

I didn't know you believed left wing leaders...

I don't but that's the view of the left - the view of the right - just dribbling Mr Euro wants to stay and his ratings are now alongside ukip at 6% - were leaving and the sooner the better.

 

[martcov]

How could you possibly be in a position to know that the UK negotiating team is unprepared or doesn't know what it wants? You're just lapping up the EU propaganda and repeating it parrot fashion on here.

The lack of progress in the talks has nothing to do with the UK's unpreparedness and everything to do with the fact that the EU want to humiliate and make an example of a nation who stuck two fingers up to them. Barnier is not negotiating, he's stonewalling. He's a clown, just like pisshead Junkers. As every week goes by their attitude and words confirm that this country made the right decision.

The PM bent over backwards in her Florence speech to try to get things moving. I believed at the time she went way too far way too early. It showed weakness. Now that her offers have been dismissed and thrown back at her, she should give them an ultimatum that unless significant progress is made on the EU's side by the end of the month, all the Florence offers are off the table. Walk away.

What is the cabinet's united policy on free movement? How are they going to deal with EU citizens rights and what is the united position on financial commitments? Every week something different is memtioned. The EU have a suggested solution to the Irish border - what's ours?

If you cannot answer the questions, then I will assume the cabinet is disunited and that you, and May for that matter, don't have a clue what the UK wants.

 

[martcov]

I don't but that's the view of the left - the view of the right - just dribbling Mr Euro wants to stay and his ratings are now alongside ukip at 6% - were leaving and the sooner the better.

Well, I'm coming around to that way of thinking as well. The sooner the better.

 

[martcov]

By a much smaller margin than the unity issue with Britain - 100,000 and 7 areas voted leave.

The unity with Britain hasn't been really tested since 1973 when the catholics boycotted the referendum.

 

[skybluetony176]

The vast majority of Northern Ireland think remaining in the uk is far more important than remaining in the EU.

Do they? What are you basing that on other than thin air? I have Protestant cousins in Northern Ireland who are now Southern Irish passport holders because of brexit. I'd love to know what your evidence is. The majority would actually like to remain in the UK and the EU would I think be correct.

 

[Grendel]

The unity with Britain hasn't been really tested since 1973 when the catholics boycotted the referendum.

Christ are you thick, ignorant or both? The Irish will not leave the uk and if brexit happens so be it - they will gladly accept that as a consequence of remaining in the uk. Oddly old Marxist Nicola after her bluster post referendum went VERY silent. Why is that? We know why.

 

[skybluetony176]

1 member is negotiating leaving on it's own. The rest, 27, are being represented by the EU negotiating team led by Barnier.

That magic money tree has sprouted another branch. We're only proper investment in the NHS and nationalisation away from having the Labour Party in government now. Tories have turned into labour light. The irony.

 

[skybluetony176]

Undecided. Some say it's a distraction used by right wing populists. But, I don't know enough to have an "educated" opinion.

Don't let that stop you. Grendull won't

 

[skybluetony176]

Amazing how many personal life experiences you can quote to "support" your argument.

I posted a link to the 80% approval rating if you're interested. Which you probably aren't.

 

[skybluetony176]

Freedom of movement is a big issue for the UK. The reality is that it leads to wage suppression. Supply of foreign labour needs regulating.

The government can raise the minimum and living wage anytime they want can't they?

 

[Kingokings204]

The government can raise the minimum and living wage anytime they want can't they?

You think companies are paying Eastern European migrants the living wage? Why not just employ British if they are.

 

[clint van damme]

You think companies are paying Eastern European migrants the living wage? Why not just employ British if they are.

I work for one that is.

 

[skybluetony176]

You think companies are paying Eastern European migrants the living wage? Why not just employ British if they are.

Minimum wage is law. If they're not paying it then they stand to be taken to court. You assume that British people will always do the jobs that EU migrants will do. In the majority of cases they will and UK and EU workers will work side by side. When I worked on building sites I worked alongside many Eastern Europeans and we were on the same rates. The problem my trade had was a lack of qualified and skilled workers, this was made up with EU migrants. I know plenty of people who do warehouse work and work alongside EU immigrants all on the same rate and better than minimum wage. I know a supervisor at one of the big warehouses in Rugby and they simply don't get enough UK applicants to fill their workforce. Then you have service sectors, again can't get UK applicants. Then you get seasonal farm work, again, where are these UK applicants willing to do the job?

I never claimed that EU migrants are all earning the living wage, some are and better but even then the point still stands. Who's surpressing wages in the UK when we have a minimum and living wage that the government can raise at will?

 

[martcov]

Christ are you thick, ignorant or both? The Irish will not leave the uk and if brexit happens so be it - they will gladly accept that as a consequence of remaining in the uk. Oddly old Marxist Nicola after her bluster post referendum went VERY silent. Why is that? We know why.

I said that it hasn't been really tested. You say I'm thick. You cannot even understand plain English, so maybe that makes you a bit more than thick

 

[martcov]

The government can raise the minimum and living wage anytime they want can't they?

Yes, and they should enforce it if it is not being adhered to. Easier to blame the EU for some people though.

 

[Sick Boy]

Minimum wage is law. If they're not paying it then they stand to be taken to court. You assume that British people will always do the jobs that EU migrants will do. In the majority of cases they will and UK and EU workers will work side by side. When I worked on building sites I worked alongside many Eastern Europeans and we were on the same rates. The problem my trade had was a lack of qualified and skilled workers, this was made up with EU migrants. I know plenty of people who do warehouse work and work alongside EU immigrants all on the same rate and better than minimum wage. I know a supervisor at one of the big warehouses in Rugby and they simply don't get enough UK applicants to fill their workforce. Then you have service sectors, again can't get UK applicants. Then you get seasonal farm work, again, where are these UK applicants willing to do the job?

I never claimed that EU migrants are all earning the living wage, some are and better but even then the point still stands. Who's surpressing wages in the UK when we have a minimum and living wage that the government can raise at will?

I used to temp in a warehouse near Butler's Leap back when I was a student and half of the workers were eastern European and earning decent money. We were still shortstaffed even then.