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[fernandopartridge]

The Taxpayer's Alliance have tweeted the following to back up what I said about the poorest paying more tax as a proportion of income:





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[Grendel]

The Taxpayer's Alliance have tweeted the following to back up what I said about the poorest paying more tax as a proportion of income:





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That's a bit misleading as under any government indirect tax will be worse for the lower end - you can't means test booze, fags fuel and VAT duties

 

[clint van damme]

Looks like the gloves are off and the knives are out for Theresa.

 

[fernandopartridge]

That's a bit misleading as under any government indirect tax will be worse for the lower end - you can't means test booze, fags fuel and VAT duties

Yes, but what it's really telling you is that we don't have a particularly progressive tax system in the UK. Too much tax is taken through consumption rather than taxing of company / individual income or unearned wealth which falls disproportionately on the poorest.

 

[skybluegod]

Looks like the gloves are off and the knives are out for Theresa.

Do you think?
Considering it was May and her team who spoke about it to the newspapers, seems to me like an attempt to see who was leading it for sure, and low and behold they have confirmed it is Shapps, with the support of a few people who are ex-ministers who have it out for May after she replaced them.
Maybe that will change of course in the coming days and you might be right, but at this moment in time don't think she will be too worried at the moment, only because he doesn't really have the backing in the party.

However, this really isn't helping press on with Brexit which is what everyone wants. 6 Months have already been wasted by the Government, would be stupid to waste another month for a change of leadership, and then a possible change of approach, so everything that has been said so far, will then change, giving us even less time to make a deal.

 

[clint van damme]

Do you think?
Considering it was May and her team who spoke about it to the newspapers, seems to me like an attempt to see who was leading it for sure, and low and behold they have confirmed it is Shapps, with the support of a few people who are ex-ministers who have it out for May after she replaced them.
Maybe that will change of course in the coming days and you might be right, but at this moment in time don't think she will be too worried at the moment, only because he doesn't really have the backing in the party.

However, this really isn't helping press on with Brexit which is what everyone wants. 6 Months have already been wasted by the Government, would be stupid to waste another month for a change of leadership, and then a possible change of approach, so everything that has been said so far, will then change, giving us even less time to make a deal.

I agree with that, it's started, so that's what everyone involved should be concentrating on.

 

[skybluegod]

I agree with that, it's started, so that's what everyone involved should be concentrating on.

Exactly, even all of this Labour stuff pushing for another general election. Everyone is sick and tired of voting for the same stuff. Let the government get on with it, and argue it out in parliament not in the press.

 

[Captain Dart]

Do you think?
Considering it was May and her team who spoke about it to the newspapers, seems to me like an attempt to see who was leading it for sure, and low and behold they have confirmed it is Shapps, with the support of a few people who are ex-ministers who have it out for May after she replaced them.
Maybe that will change of course in the coming days and you might be right, but at this moment in time don't think she will be too worried at the moment, only because he doesn't really have the backing in the party.

However, this really isn't helping press on with Brexit which is what everyone wants. 6 Months have already been wasted by the Government, would be stupid to waste another month for a change of leadership, and then a possible change of approach, so everything that has been said so far, will then change, giving us even less time to make a deal.

Shapps is the stalking horse to force the race, if he gets it started others will throw their hat in the ring but he needs to get a vote of no confidence in May for that to happen.
He has 30 odd votes declared and no doubt a number who have not shown their hand but he needs 159 votes, that's a long way to go.

 

[martcov]

Do you think?
Considering it was May and her team who spoke about it to the newspapers, seems to me like an attempt to see who was leading it for sure, and low and behold they have confirmed it is Shapps, with the support of a few people who are ex-ministers who have it out for May after she replaced them.
Maybe that will change of course in the coming days and you might be right, but at this moment in time don't think she will be too worried at the moment, only because he doesn't really have the backing in the party.

However, this really isn't helping press on with Brexit which is what everyone wants. 6 Months have already been wasted by the Government, would be stupid to waste another month for a change of leadership, and then a possible change of approach, so everything that has been said so far, will then change, giving us even less time to make a deal.

You are right about the time wasting and lack of direction with Brexit. The Sun claims it is the drunkard Juncker and the Dandy Barnier who are holding up Brexit. It is quite clearly the collapsing Tory party who are at fault. May is being made to look ineffective by people like BoJo as a tactic for their own ambitions. A sorry state at this crucial time.

 

[martcov]

Exactly, even all of this Labour stuff pushing for another general election. Everyone is sick and tired of voting for the same stuff. Let the government get on with it, and argue it out in parliament not in the press.

The Tory problems are internal and will not be argued out in parliament. Let's see who Murdoch and the other influential people in the background want.

 

[Sick Boy]

Looks like it is only a matter of time now. I expect Rudd will end up PM.

Imagine the outrage on here if a Labour government was in such a state at a crucial time in the country's history.

 

[skybluegod]

The Tory problems are internal and will not be argued out in parliament. Let's see who Murdoch and the other influential people in the background want.

I didn’t say the Tory problems?
I meant the disagreements on brexit and policy clearly? Sorry if that needed spelling out

 

[skybluegod]

Looks like it is only a matter of time now. I expect Rudd will end up PM.

Imagine the outrage on here if a Labour government was in such a state at a crucial time in the country's history.

Really? I have always seen this forum as largely labour?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I reckon the tory rebellion will be crushed......If they oust May now, then the country would demand a general election....nailed-on tory suicide......

......surely they can't be that dumb?

....still.....heres hoping...

 

[martcov]

Really? I have always seen this forum as largely labour?

Where have you been?

 

[skybluegod]

Where have you been?

Have only really taken up an interest in politics in the last year, but from this thread and a couple others I have seen largely Labour support.
Just look at this thread, I have only seen 3/4 people support conservative, the rest were labour or labour leaning.

 

[clint van damme]

The Tory problems are internal and will not be argued out in parliament. Let's see who Murdoch and the other influential people in the background want.

the editor of the Sun was out jogging with boris every evening of the conference, make of that what you!

 

[skybluegod]

I reckon the tory rebellion will be crushed......If they oust May now, then the country would demand a general election....nailed-on tory suicide......

......surely they can't be that dumb?

....still.....heres hoping...

Not sure the country would, but I’m sure labour would.

 

[Sick Boy]

I reckon the tory rebellion will be crushed......If they oust May now, then the country would demand a general election....nailed-on tory suicide......

......surely they can't be that dumb?

....still.....heres hoping...

The way they are at the moment, nothing would surprise me!

 

[Sick Boy]

Not sure the country would, but I’m sure labour would.

Let's just continue with the narrative that the country is tired of voting and ban elections for the next decade.

 

[skybluegod]

Let's just continue with the narestive that the country is tired of voting and ban elections for the next decade.

Haha fine by me

Or we could just do what labour supporters do, and ask for a vote every time we think we have a chance at power

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Not sure the country would, but I’m sure labour would.

and the SNP, SF, PC, Greens, Liberals, etc.

Its already a minority government. If May is replaced with yet another opportunist or lickspittle, then it would only be a matter of time.....

 

[Sick Boy]

Haha fine by me

Or we could just do what labour supporters do, and ask for a vote every time we think we have a chance at power

It's only a matter of time before we have a Labour government.

 

[Kingokings204]

You are right about the time wasting and lack of direction with Brexit. The Sun claims it is the drunkard Juncker and the Dandy Barnier who are holding up Brexit. It is quite clearly the collapsing Tory party who are at fault. May is being made to look ineffective by people like BoJo as a tactic for their own ambitions. A sorry state at this crucial time.

Oh come on. The same barnier and juncker who want 100billion and we are meant to get on with it? Simply laughable.

Not saying the tories have been inept because they have been. I agree but to say barnier and juncker haven't been stalling themselves due to a German election and purposeful tactics is either in denial or you are just lying.

 

[Kingokings204]

It's only a matter of time before we have a Labour government.

I agree unless May goes and then corbyn is back in trouble imo.

 

[Kingokings204]

Looks like it is only a matter of time now. I expect Rudd will end up PM.

Imagine the outrage on here if a Labour government was in such a state at a crucial time in the country's history.

Rudd won't be PM. It has to be a brexiter. . Look where a remainer has got us?

You have a PM currently who voted remain and doesn't want to leave the EU. However she has a major problem because the country voted to leave. It makes her look weak and inept. May needs to go else yes labour will get in.

 

[Sick Boy]

I agree unless May goes and then corbyn is back in trouble imo.

Who is going to replace her? The only alternative is Rudd and I can't see her turning it round.

If not Rudd,who?

 

[Kingokings204]

Who is going to replace her? The only alternative is Rudd and I can't see her turning it round.

If not Rudd,who?

That's the million dollar question. My response is above.

 

[martcov]

Oh come on. The same barnier and juncker who want 100billion and we are meant to get on with it? Simply laughable.

Not saying the tories have been inept because they have been. I agree but to say barnier and juncker haven't been stalling themselves due to a German election and purposeful tactics is either in denial or you are just lying.

Why do they need to stall when we are taking our time to get our act together? We are meant to get on with it. We invented Brexit. Come on, tell the EU what it is. Tell the EU which things the U.K. Counts as commitments and ask the EU which things the EU insists are commitments and then hand over the list to arbitration. Next sort out EU citizens rights and put forward a workable solution to the Irish border problem.

You keep saying that you know what you voted for. Ffs tell the government because they don't have a fxxking clue.

 

[Sick Boy]

Rudd won't be PM. It has to be a brexiter. . Look where a remainer has got us?

You have a PM currently who voted remain and doesn't want to leave the EU. However she has a major problem because the country voted to leave. It makes her look weak and inept. May needs to go else yes labour will get in.

Johnson (arguably not a true Brexiteer)? Gove? Rees-Mogg?

 

[Kingokings204]

Johnson (arguably not a true Brexiteer)? Gove? Rees-Mogg?

It's not great is it. Gun to my head I would go for Rees-mogg mainly due to the fact he is very clever and believes in the process. Also the social media and press campaign around him is quite phenomenal and is gathering moggmentum as they say.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's not great is it. Gun to my head I would go for Rees-mogg mainly due to the fact he is very clever and believes in the process. Also the social media and press campaign around him is quite phenomenal and is gathering moggmentum as they say.

A Tory PM opposed to abortion under any circumstance?

 

[Kingokings204]

Why do they need to stall when we are taking our time to get our act together? We are meant to get on with it. We invented Brexit. Come on, tell the EU what it is. Tell the EU which things the U.K. Counts as commitments and ask the EU which things the EU insists are commitments and then hand over the list to arbitration. Next sort out EU citizens rights and put forward a workable solution to the Irish border problem.

You keep saying that you know what you voted for. Ffs tell the government because they don't have a fxxking clue.

They do have a clue Mart but they can't please everyone. 18 out of he 25 member of the cabinet are or were remainers. Trouble is the country voted to leave. There is a massive disconnect and these cabinet members don't want to leave the EU. That's the problem. It makes Mays position impossible and have therefore made here look inept and weak. I think she is anyway personally as her stint as home sec wasn't good by any means.

It's quite obvious the EU are stalling. Major unreasonable demands are deliberate because they are trying to please 27 countries. Impossible. And they know full well the longer this goes on for and the deadline gets nearer to march 2019 we will be forced to accept a deal. Good tactics by the EU to be fair but if it backfires then they lose.

 

[clint van damme]

It's not great is it. Gun to my head I would go for Rees-mogg mainly due to the fact he is very clever and believes in the process. Also the social media and press campaign around him is quite phenomenal and is gathering moggmentum as they say.

do we really want a hard line Christian as PM?

 

[Kingokings204]

A Tory PM opposed to abortion under any circumstance?

Well that's his view and he is entitled to it. Many will disagree with it but I respect his faith and his opinion. I highly highly respect he has been honest and didn't lie about it either. Very rare these days.