The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (50 Viewers)

[Astute]

Doctors, nurses, midwives. Have you been in a British hospital lately? They bring much needed unskilled workers to fill job requirements that keep our economy ticking over. Remember we have record employment at the minute, there would be a lot of job vacancies if it weren’t for immigrants skilled and unskilled at the moment and that stifles productivity which has a damaging effect on the economy that’s already struggling to grow at anything other than a crawl. They come as students and pay for that privilege boosting the coffers of of universities and help regenerate cities like Coventry. They give us gold medal winners like amp Farah.

Shall I go on or are you through with being stupid?

So third world students come here and pay to go to university? :smuggrin:

 

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[clint van damme]

I can only compare 20 years ago and now.

We're well and truly going in the wrong direction.

I was joking but to honest there's some truth in it. The UK was a violent place in the 70s and 80s, Coventry was pretty bad.
I think the country has become better in that respect.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes, we have some workers in the NHS. Well done. What percentage of third world immigrants in the UK is that? How many don't have jobs, cause trouble, breed like mad and contribute zero? A much higher percentage no doubt.

Fuck me. Did I just wake up in the 1970’s.

 

[Astute]

Yes, we have some workers in the NHS. Well done. What percentage of third world immigrants in the UK is that? How many don't have jobs, cause trouble, breed like mad and contribute zero? A much higher percentage no doubt.

I am all for the needy coming here. But those that don't need somewhere safe take most of the places because the EU says so.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Fuck me. Did I just wake up in the 1970’s.

Well I don't know about that, but you're definitely not on this planet.

 

[skybluetony176]

So third world students come here and pay to go to university? :smuggrin:

This may come as a surprise to you but not everyone from third world countries are poor. And the ones who can afford to come here as students aren’t the poor ones.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes, we have some workers in the NHS. Well done. What percentage of third world immigrants in the UK is that? How many don't have jobs, cause trouble, breed like mad and contribute zero? A much higher percentage no doubt.

So how many don’t have jobs and add nothing? I know quite a lot of people from the African community as my sister in law is married to an African and I’m yet to meet one who doesn’t have a job, pays taxes etc. And I’m not talking about medical professionals either.

 

[Sick Boy]

Not strictly Brexit but an indication of our standing in the world currently. For the first time since it was formed in 1946 there will be no British judge on the International Court of Justice.

Who needs to be involved with that foreign rubbish?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So how many don’t have jobs and add nothing? I know quite a lot of people from the African community as my sister in law is married to an African and I’m yet to meet one who doesn’t have a job, pays taxes etc. And I’m not talking about medical professionals either.

When was the last time you left your house?

 

[Sick Boy]

It is people like you who will see this country destroyed.

I don't need to say anything more.

Blaming others for the very mess they've created, typical of the far right that

 

[skybluetony176]

Well I don't know about that, but you're definitely not on this planet.

That’s the thing. I am. I’ve traveled the world and broadened my horizons. You’re striking me as someone who’s probably not been anywhere other than Spain and spent a fortnight in an English themed pub drinking tetleys while eating nothing but a Sunday roast and full English. Hope the bacon wasn’t danish, hope you stayed of the peas and cabbage, they’re foreign invaders by the way introduced by Italians.

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck me. Did I just wake up in the 1970’s.

Jacko's just got the internet!

 

[skybluetony176]

When was the last time you left your house?

Just a rough figure will be fine. I never leave my house apparently so I wouldn’t know. You’ll have to educate me with some facts.

 

[skybluetony176]

Jacko's just got the internet!

I never knew Alf Garnet was a Cov fan. You live and learn.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That’s the thing. I am. I’ve traveled the world and broadened my horizons. You’re striking me as someone who’s probably not been anywhere other than Spain and spent a fortnight in an English themed pub drinking tetleys while eating nothing but a Sunday roast and full English. Hope the bacon wasn’t danish, hope you stayed of the peas and cabbage, they’re foreign invaders by the way introduced by Italians.

I've been to every continent apart from Antarctica. I speak three languages and that is not including sign language to which I am fluent. My wife is foreign, and my girlfriend before her was too.

Not everyone that has issues with mass uncontrolled migration from third world countries is as ignorant as you. I think it's actually even worse that you have traveled and have those opinions. I'm guessing everywhere you go is 'exactly the same and equal'.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Blaming others for the very mess they've created, typical of the far right that

I actually think that's exactly what the left have been doing in fairness. Either that or being ignorant to the mess.

 

[skybluetony176]

I've been to every continent apart from Antarctica. I speak three languages and that is not including sign language to which I am fluent. My wife is foreign, and my girlfriend before her was too.

Not everyone that has issues with mass uncontrolled migration from third world countries is as ignorant as you. I think it's actually even worse that you have traveled and have those opinions. I'm guessing everywhere you go is 'exactly the same and equal'.

What migration from third world countries is mass and uncontrolled? Even migration from the EU isn’t uncontrolled. The numbers have always been dependent on available jobs. Other controls could be put in place but successive governments have failed to implement them. Sick boy can tell you all about the hoops he has to jump through to settle in Italy. You’re demonstrating perfectly passing the blame of something our governments fails to do on others.

 

[Astute]

This may come as a surprise to you but not everyone from third world countries are poor. And the ones who can afford to come here as students aren’t the poor ones.

So we are getting to the truth now.

 

[Astute]

What migration from third world countries is mass and uncontrolled? Even migration from the EU isn’t uncontrolled. The numbers have always been dependent on available jobs. Other controls could be put in place but successive governments have failed to implement them. Sick boy can tell you all about the hoops he has to jump through to settle in Italy. You’re demonstrating perfectly passing the blame of something our governments fails to do on others.

Are you on about England or Cloud Cuckooland?

So since when has migration been limited from the EU? Juncker wouldn't even let Cameron talk about limiting it before the Brexit vote.

 

[skybluetony176]

Are you on about England or Cloud Cuckooland?

So since when has migration been limited from the EU? Juncker wouldn't even let Cameron talk about limiting it before the Brexit vote.

It’s a natural control. This may come as a surprise to you but EU migrants on the whole come here to work and earn a living, not sponge off the welfare state. If the jobs weren’t available to EU migrants in the numbers they are they wouldn’t come in the numbers they do. They’re also net contributors to the economy. The gross contribution is many times more than that.

There are already other mechanisms in place that we choose not to implement. Again ask sick boy about the hoops he has to jump through in Italy. David Cameron’s arguments for further controls would have been a lot more convincing if we had our own house in order and implement EU controls to the limit. We were asking to move the goalposts when we weren’t even hitting where they were currently placed. And Cameron did negotiate some change with the EU, not to the extent he was asking but some. So you’re factually incorrect in the first place.

 

[Astute]

It’s a natural control. This may come as a surprise to you but EU migrants on the whole come here to work and earn a living, not sponge off the welfare state. If the jobs weren’t available to EU migrants in the numbers they are they wouldn’t come in the numbers they do. They’re also net contributors to the economy. The gross contribution is many times more than that.

There are already other mechanisms in place that we choose not to implement. Again ask sick boy about the hoops he has to jump through in Italy. David Cameron’s arguments for further controls would have been a lot more convincing if we had our own house in order and implement EU controls to the limit. We were asking to move the goalposts when we weren’t even hitting where they were currently placed. And Cameron did negotiate some change with the EU, not to the extent he was asking but some. So you’re factually incorrect in the first place.

You are so wrong.

So if someone comes here and doesn't work what can we do about it?

Germany tried to do it. After over 2 years of going through the courts and having the correct paperwork they couldn't get rid of 76% of them. And that isn't counting those without the correct paperwork. Their human rights comes before anything else. All they have to do is shack up with a bird who has kids. They then have the right to a family life.

 

[skybluetony176]

You are so wrong.

So if someone comes here and doesn't work what can we do about it?

Germany tried to do it. After over 2 years of going through the courts and having the correct paperwork they couldn't get rid of 76% of them. And that isn't counting those without the correct paperwork. Their human rights comes before anything else. All they have to do is shack up with a bird who has kids. They then have the right to a family life.

Are you talking about EU or non EU immigrants here? It sounds like you’re talking about non EU. Which is not what I was referring to.

 

[clint van damme]

I actually think that's exactly what the left have been doing in fairness. Either that or being ignorant to the mess.

why do you keep going on about the left?

The tories took us into Europe and have been in power for majority of the time between then and now.

 

[Sick Boy]

I actually think that's exactly what the left have been doing in fairness. Either that or being ignorant to the mess.

The left appears to be anyone who is not to the right of right wing.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

why do you keep going on about the left?

The tories took us into Europe and have been in power for majority of the time between then and now.

Why, because Sick Boy made a jibe about the right.

Literally no other reason at that moment. - Although I can make a million arguments about them.

 

[Grendel]

Jacko's just got the internet!

Showing your age there.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The left appears to be anyone who is not to the right of right wing.

That's funny, it seems to be the complete opposite to me.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 - Has a foreign wife, but is opposed to mass migration from third world countries. Must be a right wing bigot!

 

[Sick Boy]

That's funny, it seems to be the complete opposite to me.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 - Has a foreign wife, but is opposed to mass migration from third world countries. Must be a right wing bigot!

Which countries in the EU are third world? Your assertion that we will be living under Sharia Law within 100 years was pretty funny as well, by the way.

I also presume that you'd be unhappy about any of your future children applying for an EU passport?

 

[skybluetony176]

That's funny, it seems to be the complete opposite to me.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 - Has a foreign wife, but is opposed to mass migration from third world countries. Must be a right wing bigot!

Again. What mass migration is happening from third world countries? You’re opinions if not bigoted seem to be formed on misinformation.

 

[Captain Dart]

Again. What mass migration is happening from third world countries? You’re opinions if not bigoted seem to be formed on misinformation.

Something like 250,00 a year, I refer you to the Times, the Telegraph and the New Statesman.
Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants drop off radar in the UK every year according to secret figures
Number of iIllegal immigrants in Britain hits 250,000 a year
How many illegal immigrants are in the UK?

The Express, Mail & Sun have their rather more colourful analyses..

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Which countries in the EU are third world? Your assertion that we will be living under Sharia Law within 100 years was pretty funny as well, by the way.

I also presume that you'd be

Which countries in the EU are third world? Your assertion that we will be living under Sharia Law within 100 years was pretty funny as well, by the way.

I also presume that you'd be unhappy about any of your future children applying for an EU passport?

You still won't take that bet with me, so why is it so funny? It was 'some aspects of Sharia law' for the record.

I was also talking about the EU forcing nonEU migration on us, but carry on .

As for the EU passport, that might be something some people voted remain to preserve, but I personally think it's worth giving up.

 

[skybluetony176]

Something like 250,00 a year, I refer you to the Times, the Telegraph and the New Statesman.
Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants drop off radar in the UK every year according to secret figures
Number of iIllegal immigrants in Britain hits 250,000 a year
How many illegal immigrants are in the UK?

The Express, Mail & Sun have their rather more colourful analyses..

250K a year. Africa must be empty.

 

[chiefdave]

Isn't the key word there illegal? That's not going to change because we leave the EU.

 

[Grendel]

250K a year. Africa must be empty.

Oh Tony Africa has a population of 1.3 billion.

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh Tony Africa has a population of 1.3 billion.

I’m aware of that but apparently there is mass migration coming from third world countries in Africa. Perhaps you should explain to Earlsdon sky blue what constitutes mass immigration. Not forgetting the 4.4 billion population of Asia. That must be empty too.