The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (294 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Astute

Astute

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Sick Boy said:
Apart from that at trade deal will be similar to the one with Canada and will be completely different to what we have now.

Even with a deal, if the UK is importing goods that are banned in Ireland, there will still need to be a border to ensure that it doesn't get in.

There's not going to be a trade deal before the border is sorted out, the Irish government are never going to agree to that.

Get used to it.
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You say it all as a matter of fact when all you are doing is guessing.
 
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Kingokings204

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Captain Dart said:
They won't do that, this is a bit of hard line posturing to curry favour with DUP supporters. Remember Foster has her own issues to face, the Ash for cash scandal hasn't gone away.

It will all be solved by the end of next week.
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The DUP won’t let us leave in different areas. The leave vote will apply to the whole of the UK. Yesterday proves they won’t accept anything less. I happen to think that’s good news for the UK and within hours sturgeon was asking for special treatment in Scotland. It won’t work.
 
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Kingokings204

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TM and the conservatives not getting a majority at the last election has pidgeon holed herself and the DUP having as much power as they do for just 10 mps is holding the government to account for the leave vote. I fear if she did get the massive majority she wanted she would of gave the EU everything. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Ironically if she never held an election she would of still had a majority and could of done what she wanted.
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
Such a strange thing to post.

I take you at face value when you say you’re a labour voter and nutural on the eu but when all you take away from that post is a chance to have a dig at Corbyn when that really wasn’t the point then your motives look a bit suspect.
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I want a Labour government. But he has a past that would stop millions voting for him.

The Tories are in the biggest mess for a very long time. The only thing they are strong in is the bad things. They were there for the taking. But they still nearly got the majority.

If Corbyn has to be leader he needs to bring in stronger MP's. But he has stuck with long term friends. And they also have questionable pasts.

But oh yeah I am supposed to forget about the negatives and hope they pull it off next time. But the priblem is the Tories will get stronger. They can get rid of May after Brexit and put someone strong in her place if it goes wrong. If it goes well people will vote for her. Whereas Labour would still have Corbyn.

Does that fill you with confidence?
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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The more I think about the border issue the harder I find it to see a solution. What are the options?

ROI leaves the EU and joins the UK - no chance

NI leaves the UK and remains in the EU - I'm far from an expert on Irish politics but surely no chance, especially in the short term

Hard border between NI and ROI - no chance, ROI don't want it therefore the EU won't accept it

Soft border between NI and ROI - easy to implement as its what we have now but in no way could that be claimed to be 'taking back control' which was a key issue in the referendum. How do you stop goods and people crossing a soft border? You can't, it might as well not be there

Move the border to between Ireland and GB - DUP have said they won't accept this which means their arrangement with the government ends and the government likely collapses. You also then have to deal with Scotland who also voted remain. How can you make an exception for NI but tell Scotland they can't have similar. If you say they can the border problem moves to England / Scotland

There doesn't seem to be a solution which is practical, acceptable to NI and ROI and the rest of the UK.
 
Astute

Astute

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chiefdave said:
The more I think about the border issue the harder I find it to see a solution. What are the options?

ROI leaves the EU and joins the UK - no chance

NI leaves the UK and remains in the EU - I'm far from an expert on Irish politics but surely no chance, especially in the short term

Hard border between NI and ROI - no chance, ROI don't want it therefore the EU won't accept it

Soft border between NI and ROI - easy to implement as its what we have now but in no way could that be claimed to be 'taking back control' which was a key issue in the referendum. How do you stop goods and people crossing a soft border? You can't, it might as well not be there

Move the border to between Ireland and GB - DUP have said they won't accept this which means their arrangement with the government ends and the government likely collapses. You also then have to deal with Scotland who also voted remain. How can you make an exception for NI but tell Scotland they can't have similar. If you say they can the border problem moves to England / Scotland

There doesn't seem to be a solution which is practical, acceptable to NI and ROI and the rest of the UK.
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Why would the government collapse? They nearly have the majority without them. They would only lose out on anything where everyone voted against what they want to push through.
 
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Kingokings204

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chiefdave said:
The more I think about the border issue the harder I find it to see a solution. What are the options?

ROI leaves the EU and joins the UK - no chance

NI leaves the UK and remains in the EU - I'm far from an expert on Irish politics but surely no chance, especially in the short term

Hard border between NI and ROI - no chance, ROI don't want it therefore the EU won't accept it

Soft border between NI and ROI - easy to implement as its what we have now but in no way could that be claimed to be 'taking back control' which was a key issue in the referendum. How do you stop goods and people crossing a soft border? You can't, it might as well not be there

Move the border to between Ireland and GB - DUP have said they won't accept this which means their arrangement with the government ends and the government likely collapses. You also then have to deal with Scotland who also voted remain. How can you make an exception for NI but tell Scotland they can't have similar. If you say they can the border problem moves to England / Scotland

There doesn't seem to be a solution which is practical, acceptable to NI and ROI and the rest of the UK.
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Pretty much a agree on all that.

There won’t be no hard border. It will remain pretty much as it is now and they will get round it somehow. Could even be the wording changing.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Astute said:
Why would the government collapse? They nearly have the majority without them. They would only lose out on anything where everyone voted against what they want to push through.
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Not everyone. A few rebels from within her own party could be enough to stop brexit in its tracks. Or anything else that Labour and Lib Dem’s don’t agree with. She’s in an unprecedented position not seen since the 70’s and we all know what a mess that was.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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chiefdave said:
The more I think about the border issue the harder I find it to see a solution. What are the options?

ROI leaves the EU and joins the UK - no chance

NI leaves the UK and remains in the EU - I'm far from an expert on Irish politics but surely no chance, especially in the short term

Hard border between NI and ROI - no chance, ROI don't want it therefore the EU won't accept it

Soft border between NI and ROI - easy to implement as its what we have now but in no way could that be claimed to be 'taking back control' which was a key issue in the referendum. How do you stop goods and people crossing a soft border? You can't, it might as well not be there

Move the border to between Ireland and GB - DUP have said they won't accept this which means their arrangement with the government ends and the government likely collapses. You also then have to deal with Scotland who also voted remain. How can you make an exception for NI but tell Scotland they can't have similar. If you say they can the border problem moves to England / Scotland

There doesn't seem to be a solution which is practical, acceptable to NI and ROI and the rest of the UK.
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Regulatory alignment across the whole UK (after all we do all trade with the EU), might solve problems to come though it has its own problems.

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Astute

Astute

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skybluetony176 said:
Not everyone. A few rebels from within her own party could be enough to stop brexit in its tracks. Or anything else that Labour and Lib Dem’s don’t agree with. She’s in an unprecedented position not seen since the 70’s and we all know what a mess that was.
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Both parties are split on Brexit. The only party not split on Brexit is the one formed to get it.

The Tory leader who is in charge of us leaving is a remainer. The leader of Labour has always wanted out. Labour will want the opposite to the Tories. The Tories want the opposite of what is happening. Of course it is a mess.
 
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martcov

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Kingokings204 said:
Sorry it’s utter denial, you can’t comprehend why you lost and are looking and scraping for anything other than your own fault just like Most the remainers I know. It had to be Russian medling or it’s not knowing what we voted for. Or we are thick and stupid as I’ve been called on here. I should be ashamed remember. (My favourite) It couldn’t possibly be you were on the wrong side of the argument and literally can’t accept it.

Denial in the dictorionary means “a physiological process by which painful truths are not admitted into an individuals consciousness”

That perfectly describes you. Brilliant.
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Excuse me. What have I denied that remain lost, and when have I blamed Russia? - although I am sure there are anti EU troll farms out there. Earlsdon posted things from an Alt-Right, Populist, National Socialist, democracy sceptical organisation which has a troll farm in Tallinn.

Denial is when a starry eyed leaver tries to paint a rosy picture whilst Brexit begins to go pear shaped.

Maybe you should use a dictionary to check your spelling? Start with the word „dictionary“. It would make you more convincing.
 
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martcov

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mrtrench said:
Agree with most of this, however:

he NHs has a lot to do with an ageing population, lack of funding and a lack of staff. Not purely because of migrants. Agree, but increasing the population is also having an effect.

Greece was not a wealthy country before the EU. It’s tax system was weird. Every new government created new civil service jobs for its friends, some people were tax exempt- military, shipping- people retired very early and there was no large scale industrial base. They had a great run on tick in the EU until the crisis where they were left exposed. Now you like to blame the EU for everything. I say it is not so simple. True, but he EU has made it much much worse as they cannot deflate their currency to remain competitive.

The housing market has a lot to with lack of investment in affordable housing going back years. More single households. Land banks. An ageing Population. Etc.. and more immigrants including non EU. It’s not purely because of the EU. Also true, but increased population is a major factor, possibly the biggest factor and I doubt we'd be at crisis point without it. Ageing population isn't an issue per se - stamp duty is. I'd abolish stamp duty.
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As regards ageing, I have anecdotal evidence. We had a family house. Mum, dad and 3 kids. My mother is 87 and lives alone as dad is dead and we live elsewhere. How many old people live alone in houses for families? I have to believe the proportion is growing which ties up housing.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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martcov said:
You are now off the scale. You keep throwing Breitbart „facts“ into the discussion. I just pointed out what Breitbart misses. Right wing violence is a real problem and increasing. It has to be tackled just as much as other crimes. I have never said that rape should be allowed or wasn’t as important, if not more important, than right wing violence. Pointless tackling only one part of a bigger problem.

Are you then a fascist apologist for only pointing out crimes commited by migrants?
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Off the scale? I tell you what is off the scale. Having a mass influx of migrants from third world countries committing crime across the board. To add milk and sugar to this, you have the governments in places like Sweden trying to cover this up, and people like you both, who are either too naive to realise what is going on, are in deliberate denial. Looking at Sick Boys post, I would say it is the latter.

Sick Boy said:
Haha, grow up.

I think rapists should get life and are let off far too easily. Bizarrely it is a problem across all areas of society and nationalities.
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All areas and nationalities? Although in Sweden with gang rapists (the ones actually sentenced), non-swedes make up 82% of this. Talk about putting your fingers in your ears.

Are you two so away with the fairies that you think everyone is just going to ignore this? This is exactly why the right is growing. Why else do you think it is? The government and media in places like Sweden are trying to sweep everything under the carpet, and yell racist at anyone who speaks the truth. You have three main media outlets. SVT (governement owned), Aftonbladet (recently banned The SD party from advertising in the paper, how balanced), and Expressen. This is why alternative media outlets are booming, because the mainstream ones are simply not telling the truth about these kind of issues.

When the migrant shelters aren't being burnt down by their inhabitants, there will be attacks from people who have had enough. What do you expect? In some towns in Sweden migrants have taken over and terrorised whole towns, and you're more bothered about a group of teenagers throwing stones back at them.

Honestly, if the planet was made up of people exclusively like some people on this forum, civilisation would last about another 500 years maximum. Some are so intent on hitting the self destruct button, and it seems pretty typical of the left, that...
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Astute said:
I want a Labour government. But he has a past that would stop millions voting for him.

The Tories are in the biggest mess for a very long time. The only thing they are strong in is the bad things. They were there for the taking. But they still nearly got the majority.

If Corbyn has to be leader he needs to bring in stronger MP's. But he has stuck with long term friends. And they also have questionable pasts.

But oh yeah I am supposed to forget about the negatives and hope they pull it off next time. But the priblem is the Tories will get stronger. They can get rid of May after Brexit and put someone strong in her place if it goes wrong. If it goes well people will vote for her. Whereas Labour would still have Corbyn.

Does that fill you with confidence?
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I’m not saying I disagree with you but why bring it up out if the blue when we’re not talking about it?
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Off the scale? I tell you what is off the scale. Having a mass influx of migrants from third world countries committing crime across the board. To add milk and sugar to this, you have the governments in places like Sweden trying to cover this up, and people like you both, who are either too naive to realise what is going on, are in deliberate denial. Looking at Sick Boys post, I would say it is the latter.



All areas and nationalities? Although in Sweden with gang rapists (the ones actually sentenced), non-swedes make up 82% of this. Talk about putting your fingers in your ears.

Are you two so away with the fairies that you think everyone is just going to ignore this? This is exactly why the right is growing. Why else do you think it is? The government and media in places like Sweden are trying to sweep everything under the carpet, and yell racist at anyone who speaks the truth. You have three main media outlets. SVT (governement owned), Aftonbladet (recently banned The SD party from advertising in the paper, how balanced), and Expressen. This is why alternative media outlets are booming, because the mainstream ones are simply not telling the truth about these kind of issues.

When the migrant shelters aren't being burnt down by their inhabitants, there will be attacks from people who have had enough. What do you expect? In some towns in Sweden migrants have taken over and terrorised whole towns, and you're more bothered about a group of teenagers throwing stones back at them.

Honestly, if the planet was made up of people exclusively like some people on this forum, civilisation would last about another 500 years maximum. Some are so intent on hitting the self destruct button, and it seems pretty typical of the left, that...
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Why the point about third world migrants though. Again, this thread is about the EU. Sweden has always been a haven for refugees and none of this has been forced upon it by the EU. If you want to have an anti migrant thread then make one but your points have absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
 
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martcov

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Off the scale? I tell you what is off the scale. Having a mass influx of migrants from third world countries committing crime across the board. To add milk and sugar to this, you have the governments in places like Sweden trying to cover this up, and people like you both, who are either too naive to realise what is going on, are in deliberate denial. Looking at Sick Boys post, I would say it is the latter.



All areas and nationalities? Although in Sweden with gang rapists (the ones actually sentenced), non-swedes make up 82% of this. Talk about putting your fingers in your ears.

Are you two so away with the fairies that you think everyone is just going to ignore this? This is exactly why the right is growing. Why else do you think it is? The government and media in places like Sweden are trying to sweep everything under the carpet, and yell racist at anyone who speaks the truth. You have three main media outlets. SVT (governement owned), Aftonbladet (recently banned The SD party from advertising in the paper, how balanced), and Expressen. This is why alternative media outlets are booming, because the mainstream ones are simply not telling the truth about these kind of issues.

When the migrant shelters aren't being burnt down by their inhabitants, there will be attacks from people who have had enough. What do you expect? In some towns in Sweden migrants have taken over and terrorised whole towns, and you're more bothered about a group of teenagers throwing stones back at them.

Honestly, if the planet was made up of people exclusively like some people on this forum, civilisation would last about another 500 years maximum. Some are so intent on hitting the self destruct button, and it seems pretty typical of the left, that...
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You still haven’t answered my question. Has this National Socialist news been verified by anyone else?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Off the scale? I tell you what is off the scale. Having a mass influx of migrants from third world countries committing crime across the board. To add milk and sugar to this, you have the governments in places like Sweden trying to cover this up, and people like you both, who are either too naive to realise what is going on, are in deliberate denial. Looking at Sick Boys post, I would say it is the latter.



All areas and nationalities? Although in Sweden with gang rapists (the ones actually sentenced), non-swedes make up 82% of this. Talk about putting your fingers in your ears.

Are you two so away with the fairies that you think everyone is just going to ignore this? This is exactly why the right is growing. Why else do you think it is? The government and media in places like Sweden are trying to sweep everything under the carpet, and yell racist at anyone who speaks the truth. You have three main media outlets. SVT (governement owned), Aftonbladet (recently banned The SD party from advertising in the paper, how balanced), and Expressen. This is why alternative media outlets are booming, because the mainstream ones are simply not telling the truth about these kind of issues.

When the migrant shelters aren't being burnt down by their inhabitants, there will be attacks from people who have had enough. What do you expect? In some towns in Sweden migrants have taken over and terrorised whole towns, and you're more bothered about a group of teenagers throwing stones back at them.

Honestly, if the planet was made up of people exclusively like some people on this forum, civilisation would last about another 500 years maximum. Some are so intent on hitting the self destruct button, and it seems pretty typical of the left, that...
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I'm more concerned with the horrendous increase in crime in the UK and Coventry in particular.
Down to cuts if you ak the police but I'm sure the Tories will get their usual pass or it's Corbyns fault.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yeah....they could just vote on it & I'm sure the EU Mandarins would respect the result just like they did with the Lisbon treaty vote........oh hang on.....
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Why should Ireland follow the act of self-harm that the UK is undertaking? Ireland has massive support for continued EU membership.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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clint van damme said:
Down to cuts if you ak the police but I'm sure the Tories will get their usual pass or it's Corbyns fault.
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Since moving to Cov from Portsmouth 18 months the lack of visible policing has been really noticeable. It was rare for a day to go by without seeing the police in Portsmouth, there were foot patrol and police cyclists. I don't think I've seen a single officer on the beat here.
 
jimmyhillsfanclub

jimmyhillsfanclub

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Sick Boy said:
Why should Ireland follow the act of self-harm that the UK is undertaking? Ireland has massive support for continued EU membership.
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It was just my cheap little shot at the EU machine bulldozing sovereign democracy........like it has many times before........a cheap shot, but true none the less....

anyway, nothing to debate here SB......carry on winding up the racists my friend.....you appear to have a talent for it:D
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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chiefdave said:
Since moving to Cov from Portsmouth 18 months the lack of visible policing has been really noticeable. It was rare for a day to go by without seeing the police in Portsmouth, there were foot patrol and police cyclists. I don't think I've seen a single officer on the beat here.
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Isn't some of that to do with West Midlands Police undertaking their own reorganisation (with the typical Birmingham focus) and downgrading Little Park Street?
 
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