The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (156 Viewers)

[Kingokings204]

This is a ridiculous line to take. Just because someone lives elsewhere, it doesn't mean they don't want what is best do the country.

I was jesting a bit tbf.

Although he hardly shows he wants the best for the UK let’s be honest. He seems anti UK to his finger tips and that’s my own opinion without knowing him personally.

But he has his views and you know what I respect them and I don’t call him thick or ashamed. He is just in denial in my opinion.

 

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[Ashdown]

That doesn't make the human rights act piffle, it just means you believe it shouldn't be afforded to certain people, not sure I agree but I still think it's a good piece of legislation. Like all goods things, it will sometime get abused.

And your opinion on Police 'sickness' statistics and reasons ?

 

[skybluetony176]

So who wants a hard Brexit other than some in the EU?

That wasn’t a serious post was it?

 

[skybluetony176]

The Leave means Leave group.

Not forgetting the we know what we voted for group.

 

[martcov]

Sorry but its not just down to cuts in police is it, its down to a criminal uplift and mentality, pathetic sentencing and soft prisons ! I would have these wankers breaking rocks for the new HS2 project and working down the mines. The rights of prisoners make me sick, more EU human rights piffle no doubt !

I suggest you visit the Dokumentation Zentrum at Nürnberg Langwasser by the Zeppelin field and NAZI Party Congress Centre ( was never completed). There you can read, see and hear how such sentiments became main stream. The were down sides to your way of thinking.. „human rights piffle“...

 

[martcov]

martcov - why are you pushing the line that Brexit has gone pear shaped? Nothing has really happened yet, the parties are just going through a very public and politicised negotiation. This isn't a sign of anything going pear shaped, it is good that (at least on the UK side) that some compromise is being shown. I am yet to see any compromise on the part of the EU which gives me confidence that voting leave was the correct decision.

You just answered your own question. If the EU are not giving us what we thought we would get, then it is going pear shaped.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'm more concerned with the horrendous increase in crime in the UK and Coventry in particular.
Down to cuts if you ak the police but I'm sure the Tories will get their usual pass or it's Corbyns fault.

Massively agree with you on this. The cuts have gone way too far. Well you do mention Corbyn however, I don't believe he would have made the situation particularly better, but I think the situation is way out of control already.

London in particular at the moment seems like an absolute cesspit.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yet even Farage was advocating that we should go for the Norway option? Also the leave lot claiming no one was talking about leaving the single market?

Until it was explained to him what that actually means. I really must find that video on you tube of his face dropping when the penny drops.

 

[Ashdown]

I suggest you visit the Dokumentation Zentrum at Nürnberg Langwasser by the Zeppelin field and NAZI Party Congress Centre ( was never completed). There you can read, see and hear how such sentiments became main stream. The were down sides to your way of thinking.. „human rights piffle“...

You really are disturbed at times Mart...............literally everyone who disagrees with you must be a Nazi..............You're as fucked up as your brother obviously.

 

[martcov]

Sorry again. An obvious spelling mistake from rushing whilst at work.

They tell me once you pick spelling you’ve lost the debate.

You also said “where have I blamed Russia?” And then went on to say there are anti eu farms out there. Utterly laughable. You just can’t help yourself can you. The gift that keeps on giving.

Russia wasn’t the reason remain lost, although there were anti EU troll farms at work which some starry eyed people fell for.

Work that out. I can’t be arsed to constantly explain everything to you.

 

[clint van damme]

Moan all you like. I was right. The question on the ballot paper asked me to make a choice I think was right. Now I know I’m thick and should be ashamed (oh the irony) but it’s the choice I made.

the whole issue was a lot more complicated than any of us realised at the time. I can't see how anyone can deny that.

 

[clint van damme]

And your opinion on Police 'sickness' statistics and reasons ?

not looked into it to be honest. Though I would hazard a guess that stress is one of the reasons.

 

[martcov]

You really are disturbed at times Mart...............literally everyone who disagrees with you must be a Nazi..............You're as fucked up as your brother obviously.

No. Nazis used the same arguments about human rights piffle. They also found a scapegoat and dealt with it. Amongst others, they persecuted the people who kept on about human rights piffle. They also took away prisoners rights as you suggest. As from 1934 they passed death sentences without the pesky timewasting of going through courts piffle. You should educate yourself to the similarities some posters are displaying.

 

[Sick Boy]

I was jesting a bit tbf.

Although he hardly shows he wants the best for the UK let’s be honest. He seems anti UK to his finger tips and that’s my own opinion without knowing him personally.

But he has his views and you know what I respect them and I don’t call him thick or ashamed. He is just in denial in my opinion.

How is he anti-UK? Just because someone is against Brexit does not mean they are anti-UK.

 

[martcov]

He has peddled that line for 293 pages now !

No. I haven’t. Up until recently I have said that I think Brexit is a risky venture and I wouldn’t have done it. Now I am saying that cracks are beginning to appear and it looks as if it is going pear shaped - at least as far as the Irish border is concerned.

It is not over yet of course.

 

[Grendel]

No. I haven’t. Up until recently I have said that I think Brexit is a risky venture and I wouldn’t have done it. Now I am saying that cracks are beginning to appear and it looks as if it is going pear shaped - at least as far as the Irish border is concerned.

It is not over yet of course.

In 30 years time in terms of net contribution will we be better or worse off do you think?

 

[martcov]

That's rubbish, and a deliberate attempt to try and make it look like leaving the EU will make no difference to stopping an influx of these trouble makers from third world countries.

If you look at the pressure and sanctions put on Poland and Hungary for refusing to accept them, it is a clear indication that the EU does have a large hand in this. They have been giving out quotas ffs.

One of the biggest and most genuine reasons why people have wanted to leave the EU and dis-attach from Germany etc, is due to this problem. By trying to cover it up and brand it not relevant it is a pathetic attempt at trying to make your argument on remain. People have made their own decisions and thankfully have not listened to you on this subject.

For some people. Not all by any means.

 

[Kingokings204]

the whole issue was a lot more complicated than any of us realised at the time. I can't see how anyone can deny that.

I agree but I’m saying we were asked a remain or leave question. We had to make a choice. That’s what I’m saying. You made yours and I made mine.

 

[martcov]

But he loves the UK and doesn’t want to see it suffer. You know over in is it Germany he is in?

Yes. You are for once correct. There are millions who love the UK and don’t want to see it suffer- also in Germany. Including me of course. It is terrible watching the self harm done by Brexit. The potential damage to the GFA is my top concern at the moment. I want the UK to coexist peacefully with it’s neighbour and that the people who live there live in peace and prosperity. A hard border could put an end to that.

If this goes pear shaped, as it looks like doing in Ireland, I will be calling the leavers out for it.

 

[Kingokings204]

How is he anti-UK? Just because someone is against Brexit does not mean they are anti-UK.

No I agree 100% I don’t think he is a bad person and he has his views. I’m not the only one to say but he is in pure denial.

 

[Captain Dart]

I think Brexit is a risky venture and I wouldn’t have done it.

Oh really! You do surprise me.

 

[martcov]

In 30 years time in terms of net contribution will we be better or worse off do you think?

If I knew that, I would be a millionaire. By the time we get there I will be 92 and not too fussed either way. My feeling is that we would be worse off going it alone, based on what we know at present.

 

[martcov]

Oh really! You do surprise me.

Yes. I can imagine. If you had read my posts instead of Breitbart or Swedish Nazi news sources you would have got that earlier.

 

[Grendel]

If I knew that, I would be a millionaire. By the time we get there I will be 92 and not too fussed either way. My feeling is that we would be worse off going it alone, based on what we know at present.

I’ll do the maths for you. How much do you believe we contribute to the EU in one year?

 

[martcov]

No I agree 100% I don’t think he is a bad person and he has his views. I’m not the only one to say but he is in pure denial.

No mate. You cannot see the problems which are coming our way. Ireland is the current one. Brexodus is next on the list, if we cannot get a deal. That is denial.

 

[martcov]

I’ll do the maths for you. How much do you believe we contribute to the EU in one year?

How much do pay to watch City? You would save money doing other things - or maybe not. The question is whether we will be richer and have a fairer society by paying in? The answer is, based on the present discussions, yes.

 

[martcov]

I agree but I’m saying we were asked a remain or leave question. We had to make a choice. That’s what I’m saying. You made yours and I made mine.

We should never have been asked a binary question on such a complicated matter.

 

[clint van damme]

We should never have been asked a binary question on such a complicated matter.

I totally agree, though to be honest, I didn't realise at the time.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You still haven’t answered my question. Has this National Socialist news been verified by anyone else?

Like who? The government who are trying to cover it up, or the main stream media who are also trying to cover it up?

 

[mrtrench]

As regards ageing, I have anecdotal evidence. We had a family house. Mum, dad and 3 kids. My mother is 87 and lives alone as dad is dead and we live elsewhere. How many old people live alone in houses for families? I have to believe the proportion is growing which ties up housing.

Absolutely, it is a factor. If we didn't have stamp duty there would not be a financial disincentive to moving - a terrible tax IMO, it disincentivises people from moving which impacts mobility of the workforce and also downsizing. I think that with older people however many wouldn't move even if there were no stamp duty - they have lived where they are most of their lives and they want to stay - and why shouldn't they? My Mum is alone in a 3 bed house in Cov; we've asked her to move in with us and she doesn't want to.

BUT... that has always been the case. Older people have always wanted to stay put - so that isn't the cause of a new crisis is it? Importing 330k people a year and not building enough houses is the cause. I've mentioned before here to give people a feel for that number, but I will repeat. 330k net immigration is greater than the population of Coventry *every single year*. People are saying that it reduced this year... it did, from 330k to 246k. That's still the population of Nottingham. The price of free movement is building the equivalent of a large city in houses every year and supressing wages for the low paid.

 

[Ashdown]

How much do pay to watch City? You would save money doing other things - or maybe not. The question is whether we will be richer and have a fairer society by paying in? The answer is, based on the present discussions, yes.

A fairer society for who........The Eastern Europeans who get a good bulk of the money we donate or the Germans who claw it back from them selling their goods and services from their central European base ?
Or a fairer society for the British tax payer who not only foots the bill for this scam but also pays the price because of the effects of uncontrolled mass migration on his pay packet and his bargaining power with employers !? Not to mention joining an ever bigger queue for healthcare, schooling and welfare etc

 

[mrtrench]

... and to the detriment of productivity - the cause of a downturn in economic forecasts. This is why: Productivity is the driving force behind economic growth and increased prosperity. Productivity increases through investment in automation by private companies (and also investment in infrastructure by government). When there are so many low-skilled people to choose from it represses wages (supply/demand) and disincentivises investment for greater efficiency.

France has better productivity than the UK because of the labour laws. It's almost impossible to fire someone in France and so companies avoid hiring (does anyone remember 'Bonjour Paresse'?). So they invest in automation and as a result have better productivity AND much higher unemployment.

 

[martcov]

Like who? The government who are trying to cover it up, or the main stream media who are also trying to cover it up?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... all a government conspiracy... Not that a right wing fascist group could be trying to influence people by selective reporting of facts. Are the facts backed up? They could be, but have you checked? Or do you believe this group just because they say it’s true?

 

[martcov]

... and to the detriment of productivity - the cause of a downturn in economic forecasts. This is why: Productivity is the driving force behind economic growth and increased prosperity. Productivity increases through investment in automation by private companies (and also investment in infrastructure by government). When there are so many low-skilled people to choose from it represses wages (supply/demand) and disincentivises investment for greater efficiency.

France has better productivity than the UK because of the labour laws. It's almost impossible to fire someone in France and so companies avoid hiring (does anyone remember 'Bonjour Paresse'?). So they invest in automation and as a result have better productivity AND much higher unemployment.

The sectors where we need migrants are the sectors which are hardest to automise. Such as catering, hotels and care.

 

[Grendel]

How much do pay to watch City? You would save money doing other things - or maybe not. The question is whether we will be richer and have a fairer society by paying in? The answer is, based on the present discussions, yes.

You seem to have misunderstood what I said. I asked whet you think is the contribution per annum we make to the EU. I was then going to multiply it by 30 and net off the 40 billion.

That’s then how much extra revenue we have. We can then make a rational judgement about if we would be better off and if the uk would be able to make a fairer society for its own citizens. I assume you were only referring to the uk when you said fairer society?